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MrMister -> RE: City condems house for only using solar (2/2/2010 5:24:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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Solar is the answer ?


Didn't say that, did I.

I said it's feasible. I pointed out there are many solar homes. And so there are.

But since you bring it up--91 square miles of sunlight would power the entire U.S. More importantly, though, is that the problem with power transmission is transporting it to where you want it. That's not a problem with solar, as sunlight is everywhere.

You're using an outdated 60s argument. The state of the industry is far different than it was.

Here, we use wind power and hydroelectric (especially hydroelectric). 20% of New York's power is from renewable sources.

But....at least you got in your anti-liberal rant. Did you cum?





Just wished solar wasn't so expensive. That seems to be the biggest deterrent for me.




theGuideGoddess -> RE: City condems house for only using solar (2/2/2010 5:50:58 AM)

I have got to question when someone says that there is a relationship between lack of electricity and slovenliness.  Lack of waste disposal is another issue completely.  Stealing electricity is stealing...and plain wrong; she was fined and satisfied her debt.  Borrowing from the neighbors….well it seems they must have consented.  But to condemn the house for lack of electric....well....that seems an intrusion of the government.  If there is more to the story then it should have been told.  Face it....we COULD live without a refrigerator.  It wouldn't be convenient, but it is definitely possible and wouldn't mean that we had to be up to our ears in rot and rats.

My first slave lived in this fashion and it was part of the attraction, the lack of demanding responsibilities that are required to support the lives we live.  He had no electricity, no refrigeration.  Lived in his motor home and on the sail boat.  The freedom was uplifting and wonderfully freeing.  I have to say that I felt more spoiled with out normal lavishness than I had ever felt at any previous point in my life.  It takes creativity, it takes a brain, it takes some effort, but is definitely beautifully doable. 

TGG




eyesopened -> RE: City condems house for only using solar (2/2/2010 6:47:49 AM)

Oh there is a LOT more going on than the article is saying.

First, if you don't like rules or people telling you what you can and cannot do with your property, don't buy a house in a subdivision with a homeowner's association.  They will nearly always have additional covenants about what you can and cannot do.

Second, what happened to the roommate? 

Third, sorry to say but if all you can find is a minimum-wage job, you might have to take a second job.  Since she did not have children, this would have been a workable alternative until she got on her feet again.

Fourth, electricity isn't that expensive!  Shut the lights off, stuff the fridge with jugs of water, there's lots of ways to keep electricity costs low.

Fifth,  talk to your creditors!  Let the electric company know your situation, they'll work with you.  They won't work with you if you decide to steal it instead.  Ask for assistance.  No one is gonna offer it.  No one.  If you need help, you have to ask.

This isn't a matter of evil government trying to take away anyone's rights.  Its about an irresponsible person trying to blame everyone else for the poor chocies she made.




MrMister -> RE: City condems house for only using solar (2/2/2010 7:09:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: eyesopened

Oh there is a LOT more going on than the article is saying.

First, if you don't like rules or people telling you what you can and cannot do with your property, don't buy a house in a subdivision with a homeowner's association.  They will nearly always have additional covenants about what you can and cannot do.

Second, what happened to the roommate? 

Third, sorry to say but if all you can find is a minimum-wage job, you might have to take a second job.  Since she did not have children, this would have been a workable alternative until she got on her feet again.

Fourth, electricity isn't that expensive!  Shut the lights off, stuff the fridge with jugs of water, there's lots of ways to keep electricity costs low.

Fifth,  talk to your creditors!  Let the electric company know your situation, they'll work with you.  They won't work with you if you decide to steal it instead.  Ask for assistance.  No one is gonna offer it.  No one.  If you need help, you have to ask.

This isn't a matter of evil government trying to take away anyone's rights.  Its about an irresponsible person trying to blame everyone else for the poor chocies she made.


I absolutely agree with you that there are a myriad of lessons one can learn from this debacle, and there appears to be more under the surface of what the news articles are informing us about. But it certainly is my opinion that the government had no right to do what they did, regardless period.

If you, or anyone else would be so kind, please explain to me how the actions of the city were warranted. The following is what John Stossel wrote in his article:

When the cops learned she had no electricity, they notified a code enforcement manager, who said: "Once we received notification from police that she had been without electricity for some time... we were very concerned about health and safety "... "We explained to her that the panels weren't enough to sustain a quality of life.” Stevens was given 24 hours to get electric service to her home. When she failed to do that, the bureaucrats condemned her home. Stevens moved into her car. Officials say if they had known Stevens' predicament they would have offered help. But why were they even involved with what happens inside her four walls? Oh that's right. They were concerned about her health and safety.






eyesopened -> RE: City condems house for only using solar (2/2/2010 7:22:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MrMister

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ORIGINAL: eyesopened

Oh there is a LOT more going on than the article is saying.

First, if you don't like rules or people telling you what you can and cannot do with your property, don't buy a house in a subdivision with a homeowner's association.  They will nearly always have additional covenants about what you can and cannot do.

Second, what happened to the roommate? 

Third, sorry to say but if all you can find is a minimum-wage job, you might have to take a second job.  Since she did not have children, this would have been a workable alternative until she got on her feet again.

Fourth, electricity isn't that expensive!  Shut the lights off, stuff the fridge with jugs of water, there's lots of ways to keep electricity costs low.

Fifth,  talk to your creditors!  Let the electric company know your situation, they'll work with you.  They won't work with you if you decide to steal it instead.  Ask for assistance.  No one is gonna offer it.  No one.  If you need help, you have to ask.

This isn't a matter of evil government trying to take away anyone's rights.  Its about an irresponsible person trying to blame everyone else for the poor chocies she made.


I absolutely agree with you that there are a myriad of lessons one can learn from this debacle, and there appears to be more under the surface of what the news articles are informing us about. But it certainly is my opinion that the government had no right to do what they did, regardless period.

If you, or anyone else would be so kind, please explain to me how the actions of the city were warranted. The following is what John Stossel wrote in his article:

When the cops learned she had no electricity, they notified a code enforcement manager, who said: "Once we received notification from police that she had been without electricity for some time... we were very concerned about health and safety "... "We explained to her that the panels weren't enough to sustain a quality of life.” Stevens was given 24 hours to get electric service to her home. When she failed to do that, the bureaucrats condemned her home. Stevens moved into her car. Officials say if they had known Stevens' predicament they would have offered help. But why were they even involved with what happens inside her four walls? Oh that's right. They were concerned about her health and safety.





Seeing how the article is slanted, I doubt we are getting a clear picture.  If in fact the city condemed the house in 24 short hours, that seems terribleand I would agree they did not have the right.   But the article says she was given TWO notices prior to the cops coming.  She chose to ignore the notices.  Had she answered the notices, explained her situation, asked for assistance, maybe there would have been a different outcome.  She didn't just go without a refridgerator and the cops showed up one day and condemed her house the next.  It was a long process.  A process she chose not to work within.




MrMister -> RE: City condems house for only using solar (2/2/2010 7:32:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: eyesopened

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ORIGINAL: MrMister

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ORIGINAL: eyesopened

Oh there is a LOT more going on than the article is saying.

First, if you don't like rules or people telling you what you can and cannot do with your property, don't buy a house in a subdivision with a homeowner's association.  They will nearly always have additional covenants about what you can and cannot do.

Second, what happened to the roommate? 

Third, sorry to say but if all you can find is a minimum-wage job, you might have to take a second job.  Since she did not have children, this would have been a workable alternative until she got on her feet again.

Fourth, electricity isn't that expensive!  Shut the lights off, stuff the fridge with jugs of water, there's lots of ways to keep electricity costs low.

Fifth,  talk to your creditors!  Let the electric company know your situation, they'll work with you.  They won't work with you if you decide to steal it instead.  Ask for assistance.  No one is gonna offer it.  No one.  If you need help, you have to ask.

This isn't a matter of evil government trying to take away anyone's rights.  Its about an irresponsible person trying to blame everyone else for the poor chocies she made.


I absolutely agree with you that there are a myriad of lessons one can learn from this debacle, and there appears to be more under the surface of what the news articles are informing us about. But it certainly is my opinion that the government had no right to do what they did, regardless period.

If you, or anyone else would be so kind, please explain to me how the actions of the city were warranted. The following is what John Stossel wrote in his article:

When the cops learned she had no electricity, they notified a code enforcement manager, who said: "Once we received notification from police that she had been without electricity for some time... we were very concerned about health and safety "... "We explained to her that the panels weren't enough to sustain a quality of life.” Stevens was given 24 hours to get electric service to her home. When she failed to do that, the bureaucrats condemned her home. Stevens moved into her car. Officials say if they had known Stevens' predicament they would have offered help. But why were they even involved with what happens inside her four walls? Oh that's right. They were concerned about her health and safety.





Seeing how the article is slanted, I doubt we are getting a clear picture.  If in fact the city condemed the house in 24 short hours, that seems terribleand I would agree they did not have the right.   But the article says she was given TWO notices prior to the cops coming.  She chose to ignore the notices.  Had she answered the notices, explained her situation, asked for assistance, maybe there would have been a different outcome.  She didn't just go without a refridgerator and the cops showed up one day and condemed her house the next.  It was a long process.  A process she chose not to work within.


With all due respect, you are making a great deal of assumptions regarding this lady and her dilemma. I'm basing my belief upon what the article is stating. I was not there and cannot say definitively one way or the other concerning all the points you brought up. My point is even if she choose to ignore two notices, does this then give the "officials" the right to do what they did? I feel fairly positive if this were happening to anyone of us (precisely the way the article is depicting it), a great many of us would be outraged.




mnottertail -> RE: City condems house for only using solar (2/2/2010 7:35:09 AM)

you are assuming now. what is the statute or ordinance in that town?




MrMister -> RE: City condems house for only using solar (2/2/2010 7:40:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

you are assuming now. what is the statute or ordinance in that town?


Once again, why is it a necessity for any ordinance to dictate what goes on in someone's home? I never quite understand the reason why the vast majority of folk just accept these sorts of things as being "just the way things are and there's nothing I can do about it"! I can only speak for myself, but I do not need the government, or anyone else for that matter, intruding into my life and determining what is best for me. I can decide that for myself, thank you very much.




mnottertail -> RE: City condems house for only using solar (2/2/2010 7:43:37 AM)

Well, cute, but welcome to the real world, and society, but I assume you attend city council meetings religiously.

Ron




Jeffff -> RE: City condems house for only using solar (2/2/2010 7:48:33 AM)

I wonder where He lives?




MrMister -> RE: City condems house for only using solar (2/2/2010 7:48:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Well, cute, but welcome to the real world, and society, but I assume you attend city council meetings religiously.

Ron


Never once. But I have experienced a few shitty canceled meetings in my day.




MrMister -> RE: City condems house for only using solar (2/2/2010 7:55:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

you are assuming now. what is the statute or ordinance in that town?


Let me try and express this in another way. What would you do or how would you feel about it if some government entity placed a statue or ordinance prohibiting you to whip someone's ass in your own home, have anal sex, receive a blow job, or partake in any other bdsm activity while in the comfort of your own home?




Jeffff -> RE: City condems house for only using solar (2/2/2010 7:58:15 AM)

There most likely IS a law prohibiting anyone from whipping someones ass.  In most jurisdictions is is called battery, depending on the severity of the whipping, it goes up from there.



Jeff




MrMister -> RE: City condems house for only using solar (2/2/2010 8:00:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

There most likely IS a law prohibiting anyone from whipping someones ass.  In most jurisdictions is is called battery, depending on the severity of the whipping, it goes up from there.



Jeff


Me thinks you're missing my point




Jeffff -> RE: City condems house for only using solar (2/2/2010 8:23:15 AM)

Not really. A municipality can make almost any rule they wish. Home owners associations even more so.

If you live someplace the onus is on you to be aware of any laws or building codes.


Jeff




MrMister -> RE: City condems house for only using solar (2/2/2010 8:32:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

Not really. A municipality can make almost any rule they wish. Home owners associations even more so.

If you live someplace the onus is on you to be aware of any laws or building codes.


Jeff


Hopefully you won't misunderstand me, as I mean no disrespect. But these things you mention are quite obvious to the most casual observer. And without doubt, must be taken into consideration. My point I have been attempting to make was what gives the government the right to control ANY aspect of what goes on in your own home.

edited to add that yeah, I'm fairly sure to hear about murdering someone, or something similar. Thus was hoping to keep it within the context that has been stated.




Jeffff -> RE: City condems house for only using solar (2/2/2010 8:48:12 AM)

Within the context, I live In Illinois, specifically in Cook Co. In Cook co. you must have conduit in your walls for wiring. If you do not you are not up to code. If it was discovered you didn't have conduit they would make you change it. If you didn't they would condemn your house as unsafe.

In many other places it is quite permissible to have romex or another substitute. That don't mean shit. I live in Cook Co.

If I want an out house because indoor plumbing offends Me, they can  stop that too.

What part of all this don't you understand?




MrMister -> RE: City condems house for only using solar (2/2/2010 8:49:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

A municipality can make almost any rule they wish.



Yes, this is because people allow it. There are many laws that are effectively good and reap positive results/benefits. I'm not saying that we should live in a society without such laws. But how anyone can put up with such government intrusion, as I've made mention of, is entirely beyond my ability to comprehend. Its seems like a bunch of sheep being led around by the powers that be and we all should simply keep our mouths shut because, after all, its for the common good.




Jeffff -> RE: City condems house for only using solar (2/2/2010 8:53:02 AM)

I agree, and it is possible that the law needs to be changed. Untill it is however, folks are fucked.




MrMister -> RE: City condems house for only using solar (2/2/2010 8:54:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

Within the context, I live In Illinois, specifically in Cook Co. In Cook co. you must have conduit in your walls for wiring. If you do not you are not up to code. If it was discovered you didn't have conduit they would make you change it. If you didn't they would condemn your house as unsafe.

In many other places it is quite permissible to have romex or another substitute. That don't mean shit. I live in Cook Co.

If I want an out house because indoor plumbing offends Me, they can  stop that too.

What part of all this don't you understand?


What's up with the condescending attitude? I'm simply trying to make a point, which I guess I can not effectively get across.

Please, if you would, answer my question about what differentiates what this lady in question went through, and what I brought up in regards to bdsm activity in your own home. The government has no right to mandate such things, period.




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