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RedMagic1 -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/2/2010 2:53:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady I am wondering if perhaps the OP would really rather keep it a fantasy and is using it as an excuse for relationships to not work. I wondered the same thing about the woman in the story I mentioned above. One thing I left out of my post was that I talked about it afterward with a prodomme who had been a lay social worker for a while. She said she had seen children desire scat only when pulled from abusive situations. So (back to my own thoughts now) maybe there's a connection between strong scat fetish and inability to form emotional ties to people. Sad, no matter how you look at it.

LafayetteLady -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/2/2010 4:03:13 PM)
I agree totally RedMagic1, It just seems as though the OP is using his desire for kink to keep people at arm's length. Considering the kink is one that is on the farther end of extreme, and his trying to present it to "vanilla" women, something else is going on. I also think he may be over dramatizing with the concept that his life was actually threatened over it.

bloomswell -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/2/2010 8:13:48 PM)
It could also partly be a molehill fetish that's grown up to be a mountain via constant obsessing. I doubt you'll find a lover who''ll do this for you as few want a partner that stinks of human waste but never say never. In the meantime I'd advise getting it out of your system by seeing a Prodomme who specialises in this type of play but do be warned that it's not without serious risks. The other way to relieve that particular itch is to have a few kids. After changing several million diapers I'm less inclined to fetishize too much that comes out of the body.

allthatjaz -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/3/2010 4:00:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RedMagic1 quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady I am wondering if perhaps the OP would really rather keep it a fantasy and is using it as an excuse for relationships to not work. I wondered the same thing about the woman in the story I mentioned above. One thing I left out of my post was that I talked about it afterward with a prodomme who had been a lay social worker for a while. She said she had seen children desire scat only when pulled from abusive situations. So (back to my own thoughts now) maybe there's a connection between strong scat fetish and inability to form emotional ties to people. Sad, no matter how you look at it. I think the pro Domme was right to an extent. The person I know personally that is big on scat went through horrendous childhood abuse and her fetish started as a child because of this. Then again I know a sub guy who is into this who got teased at college because he was overly submissive towards a female class mate. She used to say to him 'eat my shit' and that was enough to start his scat fantasies.

IwantToLive -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/5/2010 12:40:33 AM)
i might check out fetlife and alt.com did post a journal entry about some facts. i know i have some "down time" to think things over (contemplate). also, i meditate and have been studying a huge book on the order of the golden dawn (ceremonial magik). aleister crowley, out of body experiences, lucid dreaming, occult studies. with no mate or Domme, no distractions though i would welcome my wife back if she decided to come back to me; did see the post about ex-wife; well there is no divorce yet, only because i have not the money or the resources/transportation to get the divorce papers, her and her boyfriend have more money and better resources and transportation in los angeles, it is a 45 minute walk for me to the nearest bus. as for my studies in the occult; i will focus on the "law of attraction"; basically to attract the woman with the personality type that will use a full toilet; or i can take the "left hand path" of magik... either way requires a lot of working with energy and meditation. i prefer not to take the left hand path which is another way of saying black magik... magik got spelled that way by aleister crowley. the person i am staying with is pagan and a high priest. so i have a lot of books to read and study. so it is very very good that i have this down time with no distractions; when i am stronger on the inside and know how to do rituals and work energy; then i will get what i want. not sure if anyone here knows what i just typed about the occult. i know sometimes when the things are too much on the surface; one has to know how to get around it to the psyche so one can have one's way and be a master of their destiny. i know i may be working on this at least a year. i am far from over the hill. so i can be alone another year, maybe two years while i refine my craft. first step, read, study, meditate, contemplate second step, preparation, third step, practice and use of magik. believe it or not... one of my favorite meditations is; step one, deep breathing, step two, relax my body, step three, recall and visualize events in my life where i was happy, excited, having fun, the great good times during those happy thoughts think to myself how great my life has been, i had a good life; now those positive vibrations will set up good things for me in the future. i still frown on people in general; but if i cannot restore my faith in people, i can restore my faith in myself and that is bigger than anything. i think therefore i am. all successes and failutes were first realized in the mind. so with the inner work i am doing... i indeed have a bright future, plus i will be a full toilet too... also a dad, also financial prosperity.. i do have other kinks too... the facesitting/smother fetish is fun too as you know my face will be facesat/smothered some day... i know this is a long post...whatever will be will be... i will be a full toilet for a Woman... So Mote It Be

allthatjaz -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/5/2010 2:16:28 AM)
IwantTolive, you changed the topic and brought in the magic tricks. Scat play doesn't worry me at all. I'm never going to end up with a scat lover because its not my thing but it doesn't bother me. In fact it doesn't even irk me because if everyone is happy in the poo pile then there's a happy ending. Someone who moans and whines about his life predicaments, who clearly feels sorry for himself and who wants his wife back even though the initial post clearly states that it was wifey who shat on him in all the wrong ways does worry me. I'm glad you have found the occult. The occult does worry me but then I don't understand it. Years ago before coming onto the scene I thought the BDSM crowd were leather clad people that were all into the occult and they frightened me and I mean really frightened me but then I went to a convent school [:)] I sense a lot of sadness and confusion and personally I think the worst possible thing you are doing is writing about things on here. Its like your opening yourself up to torment, re-punishing yourself and taking the chance in making yourself even more miserable.

IwantToLive -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/5/2010 3:16:27 AM)
magic tricks my ass... google Aleister Crowley... order of the golden dawn... magic tricks is david copperfield, doug henning, etc... i did not change the topic... to overcome the taboo and have a real shot of getting to be a full toilet.. here are other terms... out of body experieces, etheric body, astral plane, etheric plane, mental plane, divine planes, the elementals (ether(akasha), fire, water, air, earth), chakras, aura, thought forms, possession (when one is adept at out of body experience, they can take over another person's body). i am talking paranormal, not some card trick. pentacles, witchcraft, any of these can be verified by googling them... pentragram, yes, to be a full toilet, the christians would say i am willing to sell my soul to Satan.. so i am on topic... how long have i put up with intolerance of my fetish? tooo long!!! so when i am ready after intense study... look out world... i will get what i want, no matter the means in how i get it... again google what i am saying... this is not harry potter either.. witches don't ride on brooms... you can look it up and know what i am saying is true... btw... fetlife is pretty cool... just signed up... and they are far more tolerant and accepting of full toilet slaves there... so the occult my adding to my intensity in stressing the importance of the topic... yes, i got typical bullshit responses, the intolerance and lack of understanding, that is what i expect of people, one reason i keep to myself all the time, and never trust anyone... in time, i will have the edge... does that make sense or was this message over you head?

RedMagic1 -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/5/2010 3:21:36 AM)
Crowley died impoverished, unhappy and alone. Not even he was able to find shortcuts to life.

IwantToLive -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/5/2010 3:33:46 AM)
Crowley did not finish a ritual. one of the 4 directives was to be silent, his ego and his publicity did him in. he had a lot of power and lost it all. if you knew about his early work before he lost it; he was great. he has a wealth of teachings that applied, can help a person manifest whatever they want... so i guess right now.. i am having fun with these replies... a metaphor would be i am like a cat toying with mice with little understanding of dark fetishes/desires. so, there was a reference, that crowley was on a mountain top and created a storm. there are a lot of things a person can do if they know how to direct energy. the ones that know how when they interact to a person that is naive of those, the person can focus their will and control the etheric body of the individual they wish to ctrol; basically, the person will have their way with that person... so basically stated, if i cannot do it ethically, by finding a Woman who is interested, target one in the future when i have the ability and influence her to do it... those that read that will think... fantasy... ha ha ha... this is real... a person was walking with crowley one day, they were walking behind a man, crowley said watch this.... crowley mirrored the man in front of him, crowley imitated the man's walk exactly, then crowley acted if he was tripping and falling; sure enough, the man in front of him, tripped and fell, because crowley willed it to happen... i can imagine the responses with that one... like i said, i don't expect much from people... it is a shame such intolerance is here and everywhere else...

IwantToLive -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/5/2010 3:36:25 AM)
short cuts in life... i would have been better off to been vanilla.. now that is a short cut... lol

allthatjaz -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/5/2010 5:10:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IwantToLive out of body experieces, etheric body, astral plane, etheric plane, mental plane, divine planes, the elementals (ether(akasha), fire, water, air, earth), chakras, aura, thought forms, possession (when one is adept at out of body experience, they can take over another person's body). i am talking paranormal, not some card trick. pentacles, witchcraft, any of these can be verified by googling them... I consider myself to be 'spiritual' I am very grounded and open minded but I would never try to convince people that everything has an aura or about deep telepathy because they have to make their own journey and have their own experiences and they should never do that by being coerced into believing. Its like people who are always talking about ghosts. If we told our child spooky stories then they would believe. They may even imagine they have seen or are seeing ghosts because we have instilled that imagination in them. You may believe in all of these things you mention but you can't get upset when others smirk. You were the one who mentioned magic and I just happen not to believe in magic. quote: . how long have i put up with intolerance of my fetish? tooo long!!! so when i am ready after intense study... look out world... i will get what i want, no matter the means in how i get it... This fetish is all about you isn't it? Your pissed off that we don't like shit. You state that you will get what you want no matter the means in how you get it. That is a bloody stupid thing to say online.

SolangeRichards -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/5/2010 5:44:27 AM)
Well, I gotta say, when I'm wrong, I'm wrong..... Based on your original post, I was willing to stand up and say I did not believe you were nuts. The more you post though..... Well..... Oops.......

DarkSteven -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/5/2010 5:49:02 AM)
OP, several people here have advised you to go to therapy. Instead of that, you are jumping into the occult. You clearly have serious issues with socialization and being with others. The occult would be a dangerous pursuit for you as it would immerse you in things that will also isolate you further. I said it before and I'll say it again: get therapy. Stat.

PeonForHer -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/5/2010 5:57:07 AM)
Heh. And I've a feeling that in the D/s world, particular things often start to happen for a sub when he finds himself wanting them less. It'd be interesting, for instance, to do a straw poll: "Femdoms: who are you most likely to want to force into women's clothes - a man who's never fantasised about it, or a man for whom such forcing is a daily obsession?"

allthatjaz -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/5/2010 6:16:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer Heh. And I've a feeling that in the D/s world, particular things often start to happen for a sub when he finds himself wanting them less. It'd be interesting, for instance, to do a straw poll: "Femdoms: who are you most likely to want to force into women's clothes - a man who's never fantasised about it, or a man for whom such forcing is a daily obsession?" Of course your right! Some time ago I got to know a male sub that I was quite interested in. All went well and till I started to talk about strap-on play. After that he couldn't think about anything but strap-on play. He even made a harness (even though I had told him I preferred my own) and brought loads of phallic objects. He stopped being the interesting guy with an lots of desires and an open mind and instead became so anally focused that he made me lose interest. I want a guy that I can tie down, grab his hair and take him ruthlessly and not someone who spreads his ass cheeks and says 'ooh Mistress shall we try the 2 litre diet pepsi bottle today?'

PeonForHer -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/5/2010 6:34:39 AM)
'ooh Mistress shall we try the 2 litre diet pepsi bottle today?' Did he find the non-diet version too filling?

allthatjaz -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/5/2010 6:56:19 AM)
No but it had too many calories [;)]

CarrieO -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/5/2010 7:40:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IwantToLive i have for about 30 years wanted to be a full toilet slave for a Dominant Woman. my quest has been met with rejection, assault, threats of harm, threats of death, all kinds of persecution. I find it surprising that you've had death threats because of this. quote: i don't understand the closed mindness... women do that in a regular toilet all the time.. why not a mouth? Because your kink isn't their kink. This has zero to do with closed mindedness...except for your mind that is closed to accepting that this isn't everyone's cup of tea. quote: i know i have some "down time" to think things over (contemplate). also, i meditate and have been studying a huge book on the order of the golden dawn (ceremonial magik). quote: how long have i put up with intolerance of my fetish? tooo long!!! so when i am ready after intense study... look out world... i will get what i want, no matter the means in how i get it... again google what i am saying... this is not harry potter either.. witches don't ride on brooms... you can look it up and know what i am saying is true... OP, believe me when I say, you aren't the first to "discover" Crowley/The Golden Dawn/Magik/occult and you won't be the last to try to use it to acheive your desires/goal. My question is why? Why do you feel the need to manipulate another person to attract them to you instead of working on the real problem that's within yourself? As others have mentioned...scat play can be seen as a symptom of a larger issue (not always but sometimes) and to ignore the why and focus solely on the desire seems to me to be ignoring a huge part of your psyche. It appears your fetish identifies you instead of you identifing your fetish/desire. I see your interest in Cerimonial Magik as coming from a strictly selfish place...in keeping with Crowley's teachings. Wouldn't that make the woman/Domme just a means to your end then? Where's the appeal in that? quote: like i said, i don't expect much from people... it is a shame such intolerance is here and everywhere else... What you see as intolerance I see as people asking more from you than a just a fetish. In reading your profile, it seems this desire has taken over most of your life to the extent that you seem to be avoiding life. Mind you, I'm only going on what you've shared here and in your profile. You mention taking time to work on making yourself a better person...I would suggest you focus on becoming a better well-rounded more complete person. This might require outside help. quote: i would have been better off to been vanilla.. now that is a short cut... lol On a side note....I'm really sick of people using this word "vanilla" as though they're discussing the plague or something. Talk like that really is closed minded.

OttersSwim -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/5/2010 8:11:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IwantToLive ... so basically stated, if i cannot do it ethically, by finding a Woman who is interested, target one in the future when i have the ability and influence her to do it... those that read that will think... fantasy... ha ha ha... No, those that read this will think "psycho". That you are willing to even entertain such thoughts, fantasy or not, is a clue into how deep this fetish has seated itself in you, and how unbalanced you have let it make you. Time for some psychological evaluation and counseling before you hurt someone and end up eating people's shit in jail.

Andalusite -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/5/2010 8:17:58 AM)
Kink and finding a partner are the least of your problems. If you're behaving in such a way that a lot of people want to kill or injure you, you need to address that aspect first. Attempting to use occult rituals to force someone to do what you want or fall in love is extremely anti-social behaviour.

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