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IwantToLive -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/5/2010 10:52:42 AM)
all my posts since the inquiring post which was friendly... has been met with mockery and disdain. that is a fact. about the magik part... crowley "do what thou wilt is the whole of the law". just because someone is a witch or work occult magik and being called psycho is completely way out of line. those that know of such matters are the most sane people, they refuse to give into limitations the average person does (based on lack of knowledge of their true self), robert a. monroe "the greatest lie ever told, is man has limitations". so the posts about magik is not to convert anyone to my belief such as pesky christians tend to do but do defend my choices, to defend my wants, needs and desires. if i had "regular" bdsm wants needs and desires, i would not have been insulted with the comments about therapy... if having desires outside the normal need therapy, then everyone in bdsm needs therapy. reiterating, since it is taboo within bdsm which supposed to be more tolerant than vanillas, i see a ganging up; it happened with other bdsm groups as well. the FemSupremist FemDoms are most likely to use a full toilet slave who do not have Doms/Masters than the bdsm where both Female Dominants and Male Dominants coexist, that is not me judging... it is a fact... does it have to do with an unwritten thing in bdsm, since males can be dominant; thou shall not use a male's mouth as a toilet; even the slave submissive male cannot be used because it might insult a male dominant? where in Femsupremist FemDom there is no such conflict... i'm not saying all Femsupremist Femdoms use full toilet slaves but i can imagine the per cent of Femsupremist Femdoms who use full toilet slaves is much much higher than bdsm FemDoms. too bad i am straight, full toilet is more acceptable in the gay male community... just means i have a lot of work to do... still, i bet there will be people who reply to this even though i cannot spell it our any more clearly with typical ignorant responses attempting to make me into something negative, which is not the case; those that do; have a hatred toward full toilet and or maybe a hatred toward the occult... that hatred is based on ignorance, ignorance is lack of knowledge and understanding. pretty much what the homosexual had to deal with, a group of guys would get together and lets beat the hell out of the gay guy, that is the same intolerance i have to deal with. they got to come out of the closet and have gay bars for their lifestyle, now the toilet slave has to be in the closet or risks redicule, threats , etc.. when the dixie chicks criticized george bush, they were condemned by the country music fan, and were told to shut up and sing. now my taboo is met with get therapy, shut up, maybe go away, we don't accept toilet slaves... how much more can i be clearer!!!!!

OttersSwim -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/5/2010 11:26:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IwantToLive ... just because someone is a witch or work occult magik and being called psycho is completely way out of line..... Let me be clear here sunshine. I did not call you a psycho because you proclaim to do magik. I called you a psycho because you say you intend to use it against people in violation of their own free will and knowledge. You thereby intend to forcefully remove something called -consent- from the equation. Consent is a foundation tenant of WIIWD and as such - your actions and intent and words to that effect make you someone I would NEVER want to be involved with, someone who clearly has had quite enough attention for today, someone who really needs to seek professional attention.

LadyPact -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/5/2010 11:26:20 AM)
Excuse Me, but you are quite incorrect. In My opinion, you are looking at this from the wrong perspective. In the above comment, you mentioned that you were not gay. The way you are looking at your kink (scat) in regards to others is the same as someone attempting to tell you that you had to be homosexual. Think about that for a moment. Would being with a life long male partner be a turn on for you? Due to the fact that you state you are not gay, I'm going to think that it probably doesn't. It's the same concept. You're just not seeing it. I don't think folks here are saying that it is your particular kink that makes them think you may need therapy. It is the idea that your kink of choice is having a negative impact on your life and your social capabilities. There honestly is a difference between a kink and an obsession. If it is an obsession, rather than a kink or a fetish, that is unhealthy. Your theories about people having less interest in this kink have nothing to do with how Dommes see male Dominants or that we might feel that we would be insulting them in some way. People generally establish their own hard limits because of the way they feel themselves about them. For example, My hard limits don't have a rat's ass to do with anyone else but Me. I think you're going to find that most will give you the same answer about the subject.

IwantToLive -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/5/2010 11:48:18 AM)
about the free will comment. my free will has been impinged on many times. everyone is saying to conform. now that is attacking my free will and my choice of fetishes. if i was young in my early twenties, i would be tricked into giving in, being manipulated. at age 50, i know every single form of manipulation there is; i am immune to them. about the gay comment; i did not say i had to be homosexual... you twisted my words, another form of manipulation, i stated it is more common in the gay community. in the gay community, a woman is more likely to use a woman as a toilet than in bdsm or vanilla circles, vice versa, a man is more likely to use a man as a toilet than in bdsm and vanilla. in politics, when a republican and democrat goes against each other; one might do a smear campaign, dig up dirt on the other, but trying to get understanding, i provided the dirt, they twist the words of their opponent, they try to make the opponent seem untrustworthy, unstable and people buy into it. so in a way, i have been the victim on this board, conform, don't give no though to your desire, my words twisted. so when i am told not to have my desire and get to get therapy and that attacking me is in violation of my free will... about my comments about using what i know to induce a woman to do it... what is the difference when a person seduces another, no difference... the ones typing that way are still attacking me and trying to manipulate me into conforming. i am not wrong, it is wrong that others have to put me in the defensive. this collarme which i do look at as being a waste of my time. i don't even chat hardly anymore here. i will be coming here less and less then eventually when i decide not to come back. but i will not have the people run me off from this board. i would be quitting on my terms.

LadyPact -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/5/2010 12:06:36 PM)
I honestly don't care if you stay or not. It isn't My concern. What I attempted to do was show you an example of something that wouldn't turn you on so that you would understand that not all things turn everyone on. Do you not have certain things that you do not wish to engage in because you don't like them? Other people are permitted to have the same privileges, rights, and hard limits, just like you are. This is what you fail to see.

GYPSYMAMBO -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/5/2010 12:36:59 PM)
OP: I do not belive anyone is infringing on your rights..you have a right not to listen or follow them..you can block..speak back...not listen..do as you wilt.. Judgement by others is part of being a human..and one can listen or not JUDGEMENT is something that occurs daily and everywhere... There is no way anyone can understand ALL OF YOUR LIFE...IDEA....BELEIFS..etc therefore THEY ARE YOURS..and you can live by them knowing you are confident in them. YOU will find far more judgement than tolerance and understanding in the world and also it has to do with FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE COMES PERSONAL RESPONSE so each person REPONDS to you from thier point So who cares? Crowley did indeed say..."do as thou wilt is the only law" when he founded the THELEMENA... and ALSO the witch's oath is..."do as thou will IF IT WILL HARM NONE" *What's my point...??* *Why argue and debate judgements...?* *USE your beleif system to make a difference in YOUR life..* *also OP...many DOM/MES are "into" toilet type functions and scenerios..more than you know...* *The ones who have incorperated it into their daily living( that I know)* *did so AFTER knowing their sub....not as a GET TO KNOW YOU point.* *I had no idea it woudld be part of my life until I met 2 wonderful men....and their specific mind set was explained to me* *again AFTER I got to know them as men..* GM

LaTigresse -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/5/2010 12:41:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact It does kind of bring up an interesting thought...... OK. The kink isn't really high up there in wide spread popularity. There are other kinks out there that we could say the same thing about, including some of My own. LOL. So, exactly where is the line between changing your life because you want to incorporate a particular kink which is 'who you are' as opposed to 'the kink is detrimental to you' because necessary changes are made? If we weren't talking about scat, but instead perhaps the AB or TV/TG folks, don't those folks often lose personal relationships with family members, etc, because they could not accept transition? While I don't believe for a second that sexual orientation is a kink or a choice, doesn't the same situation also happen (family members who can't accept it) in some cases? People still 'come out' later in life and end heterosexual marriages. In My case, all of My kinks are choices and there aren't any of them that I couldn't live without. Yet, I read expressions from others that there are certain things that they could never give up in life. I have to admit, I wonder how other people see this. I was going to just tell the OP to quit his damned pissing (ha ha[:D]) and whining then leave but thought I should read the thread first.......and this post caught my eye. There is no one activity that I can imagine being more important than being with someone I really care deeply about. Which is why I call the kinky activities, the sprinkles. Making an activity more important than the person is just something I do not understand at all.

PeonForHer -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/5/2010 1:08:05 PM)
IwantToLive, The few people I've known who once took up with Crowley or the Golden Dawn did so at a time when they massively hated themselves; their senses of self-worth being at an all-time low. At that time, I was even tempted myself to take that route myself. I didn't - instead, I started to see a therapist instead and learned how, well, at least to 'put up' with myself. Those friends of mine did the same. They lost interest in Crowley as they came to like and accept themselves. A bit of self-love can go a long way. [;)] A bit of it is like a release from prison and you start to live, properly, for maybe the first time. I'd suggest to you that it's this 'living', this freedom, that you really want. The full-toilet idea has just become the totem for you, the symbol of everything that is 'authentic life'. It's only that, though: a symbol. I'd say: if you can't achieve the smaller goal - the full-toilet experience, well, then, go for the bigger goal: life itself. Screw the small goal - it's not important.

IwantToLive -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/5/2010 1:57:49 PM)
do you know what BLACKBALLING is? because of my fetish, i get blackballed!!! I did not ask if anyone cared if i left or not... cause frankly I don't care what anyone here thinks anyway... it seems that most here are my arch enemies... closest thing to support that made sense was, the get to know you part, then basically say btw my strong interest is being a toilet slave, after the Dominant got to know them.. now that makes sense... i asked the question on fetlif "is is possible to be a full toilet?" not one of them insulted me or told me to get therapy.. so what is the deal with the intolerance on this board... not just my fetish, but i read where several other people got tired of the BS on this board... not brown showers, but bullshit, so they left and occasionally come back... a lot of the dissenters were women, they got tired of no results, and i imagine there are men that are tired of it as well...

IwantToLive -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/5/2010 2:01:52 PM)
I was going to just tell the OP to quit his damned pissing (ha ha) and whining then leave but thought I should read the thread first.......and this post caught my eye. repasting a insult directed at me... as for whining... you can go shove it... those are attack words...

IwantToLive -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/5/2010 2:03:28 PM)
quote: also OP...many DOM/MES are "into" toilet type functions and scenerios..more than you know... The ones who have incorperated it into their daily living( that I know) did so AFTER knowing their sub....not as a GET TO KNOW YOU point. I had no idea it woudld be part of my life until I met 2 wonderful men....and their specific mind set was explained to me again AFTER I got to know them as men.. now that is a reply that is positive and not attacking me... i respect it

LadyPact -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/5/2010 2:35:43 PM)
That may have a lot to do with the fact that fet is more about fetishes. It honestly isn't your kink that has brought many of the comments. It does happen to be many of your responses. Go back and read the things you've written again. Do you see the aggressiveness in them? Do you understand that you attack everyone who doesn't agree with you in an angry, ill-tempered manner? Give them another look and see how it comes across. If you react towards other people in real life the way you have demonstrated here, I have no doubt that you have social issues when it comes to other people. Or, do you really believe that the relationships that you can not maintain are all entirely about your fetish? It doesn't seem that you were blackballed here or on fet, so exactly where was it and by whom? Do you think it might have some to do with you instead of all about the fetish? I've watched you be very rude to some folks on this thread when it absolutely wasn't called for. Then, you complain about not receiving support. Would you want to be helpful and supportive of someone who had the type of behavior you've displayed on this thread? If you would, I'll tell you right now that you are a bigger person that I am.

LaTigresse -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/5/2010 2:44:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IwantToLive I was going to just tell the OP to quit his damned pissing (ha ha) and whining then leave but thought I should read the thread first.......and this post caught my eye. repasting a insult directed at me... as for whining... you can go shove it... those are attack words... impressive indeed

LaTigresse -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/5/2010 2:50:21 PM)
Now THIS should be taboo!!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmYG8pAl_0Y Thank you Subtlebutterfly for that little gross out!!

heartcream -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/5/2010 2:51:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IwantToLive repasting a insult directed at me... as for whining... you can go shove it... those are attack words... [image]http://www.charlesbridge.com/client/client_images/spreads/IllProtectYou.jpg[/image] La T I'll protect you!

LaTigresse -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/5/2010 2:57:07 PM)
Heart, you are my saviour. Come to the farm!

Jeffff -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/5/2010 2:57:15 PM)
At this point, I'd be will to shit on him just to make him stop. there will be no cuddling after though. Jeff

LaTigresse -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/5/2010 2:58:15 PM)
You're just a big meanie.

heartcream -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/5/2010 3:07:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse Heart, you are my saviour. Come to the farm! oink k [image]http://whi.s3.prod.lg1x8.simplecdn.net/images/920891/88440.1_large.jpg[/image]

LaTigresse -> RE: why taboo fetishes? (2/5/2010 3:32:57 PM)
The are so cute when they are little. Then, they grow up...

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