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RE: Butter Substitutes? - 2/3/2010 2:10:37 PM   
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I know you can infuse oil with herbs, so the oil takes on the flavour of the herb. You might google that.

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RE: Butter Substitutes? - 2/3/2010 2:14:34 PM   
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There are lots of flavorful oils but they tend to be very expensive. Really good extra virgin olive oil has a broad range of possible flavors. Finding you like without spending thousands can be tricky though.

Not oils are very good but again they can be very expensive for good ones.

As to eliminating caseins from your diet, there have been a lot of claims made recently but there isn't any real good science backing any of those claims.

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RE: Butter Substitutes? - 2/3/2010 2:17:44 PM   
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well, soy butter then?


I've heard of soy milk, of course, but never soy butter. I'll have to give it a whirl.

Has anyone here used it yet?

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RE: Butter Substitutes? - 2/3/2010 2:18:43 PM   
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and benecol is a fiar butter substitute with fiber

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RE: Butter Substitutes? - 2/3/2010 2:21:19 PM   
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More power to you because there is NO WAY I am giving up cheese!


Hell... I wouldn't be surprised if you made your own... lol

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RE: Butter Substitutes? - 2/3/2010 2:27:12 PM   
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avacado in any form

coconut milk

vegetable oil




Yes! I've recently started eating avacado and have been enjoying it, but not as a butter substitute.

Now coconut milk might go well with the oatmeal or sweet potato. Hmm... I think I'll try that!

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RE: Butter Substitutes? - 2/3/2010 2:31:45 PM   
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I tried your link. Too bad they don't give the list of ingredients. I'll need to read a label at the store.

Wow, you're right, how silly of them!
To the best of my knowledge EB is casein-free.



Yeah... if I had nothing to hide, I'd certainly list the ingredients online! Gotta question either who's running the joint, or if they've got something to hide... lol

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RE: Butter Substitutes? - 2/3/2010 2:37:29 PM   
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I know you can infuse oil with herbs, so the oil takes on the flavour of the herb. You might google that.


You may be getting closer to my real issue here. I've only been using basic spices, and have been relying on richer foods to sate my taste buds most of my life. Now that I'm moving away from richer foods, I need to expand my use of spices.

Incidently, what's the difference between spices and herbs? ... lol

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RE: Butter Substitutes? - 2/3/2010 2:47:43 PM   
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There are lots of flavorful oils but they tend to be very expensive. Really good extra virgin olive oil has a broad range of possible flavors. Finding you like without spending thousands can be tricky though.

Not oils are very good but again they can be very expensive for good ones.


I'm afraid thousands are not in my food budget. I may need to stick with mixing oils with spices and herbs. What's your best suggestion for oil under $10 a pint?

I actually Googled "not oils" thinking it may be an oil type I've never heard of before, but soon determined that you must have made a typo there somewhere... lol

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RE: Butter Substitutes? - 2/3/2010 2:48:35 PM   
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if you are doing it for general health reasons, I would be wary of useing any product that has to be significantly altered to turn it into a something like soy butter ....

for others I think it might be best to look at when you need the sustitute .... if its in cooking then olive oil,  organic coconut oil or organic palm oil ..  after cooking toasted seasame .. pumpkin  oil... walnut oil  all have great flavours ....   but do not take heat well so you add them after you have finished cooking

different dishes need different flavours ... but cayenne pepper .... garlic ... chilli ... thyme ... cinammin.. are all easy to keep and  add great flavour to all sorts of dishes ...   and of course any fresh herbs like parsley chives etc

things like vingars ..... balsamic, sherry, rasberry....  or asian rice vingars  etc ....  little amounts help bring out flavours

I also make my own stock which I freeze into cubes in my ice trays and then put them in bags ... so even in things like omeletts  I use  the stock to add flavour without useing milk or butter ....

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RE: Butter Substitutes? - 2/3/2010 3:08:30 PM   
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and benecol is a fiar butter substitute with fiber


I gotta admit, when I saw "benecol" I felt pretty sure you were putting me on, as this surely sounded like a drug of some kind to me. But sure enough, it's real, and they have a variety of food products.

Have you used Benecol spread yourself?

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RE: Butter Substitutes? - 2/3/2010 3:20:23 PM   
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I infuse olive oil and it is awesome. Fresh chopped garlic, hot dried cayenne peppers, black pepper, himalayan crystal salt, rosemary, add it all into the oil and refrigerate. You can experiment and add what you like and see what flabors you enjoy the most. I love heat in food so the peppers are amazing! Wait awhile, like a few weeks and then strain oil so there is no chance for bacteria to grow.

If you make toast you can use olive oil instead of butter, getting an easy pour with those oil bottles with the spout that allows for control of amount and area.

A really good sandwich and healthy too is toast some healthy bread, pour olive oil add the salt and a bit of tobasco, lay some peanut butter on and then pile on herbs like Italian parsley or arugula so delicious! Speaking of infusion, try some fresh dill into some apple cider vinegar. Leave it covered in a dark place for a few weeks and then strain the vinegar and it is a delicious addition to almost any dish.

I love butter though. Clarified, salted, unsalted I love the flavor.

Oh yeah, you are not eating dairy so instead of parmesan with the pasta use walnuts they are so good for you and really good fats. Roasted pine nuts, lay in a shallow pan and roast in the oven until they turn a bit brown. Do the same with sesame seeds and then crush them in the coffee bean grinder, the Magic Bullet whatever you have and this is so tasty and good fats but also adds 23% more protein to your dish, shake it on anything. They call it gomashio.

Another idea which is not a fat substitute but a good trick to try and goes so well with olive oil. Get some tomatoes and cut in half. Turn oven on low. Put skin side down with inner tomato facing up. Sprinkle with salt (I only use Himalyan crystal salt, it has like over 80 minerals and good things in it) cracked black pepper and that is enough or add fresh rosemary if you have some. Put in oven until tomatoes begin to toughen up and your home will smell incredible. Add these to a jar of olive oil and garlic pieces and refrigerate for a week or so and then devour with pasta or in a salad or right out of the jar. Add walnuts, pinenuts, gomashio to the pasta dish you could make with these tomatoes, some black olives, kale etc and you will be wanting to lick your plate.



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RE: Butter Substitutes? - 2/3/2010 3:33:40 PM   
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quote:

There are lots of flavorful oils but they tend to be very expensive. Really good extra virgin olive oil has a broad range of possible flavors. Finding you like without spending thousands can be tricky though.

Not oils are very good but again they can be very expensive for good ones.


I'm afraid thousands are not in my food budget. I may need to stick with mixing oils with spices and herbs. What's your best suggestion for oil under $10 a pint?

I actually Googled "not oils" thinking it may be an oil type I've never heard of before, but soon determined that you must have made a typo there somewhere... lol

Sorry meant nut oils, walnut etc.

Infusing oils at home might be the way to go. Find a mild oil you like, grocery EVOO is a good starting point and usually under $10 a pint, and herbs you like the flavor of. Get a small pan and pour in a pint or so of oil and a handful of herbs. heat over very low flame util the oil is warm but not hot, aim for around 200F. cut the heat and let the oil and herbs steep until the oil is room temp. Strain out the herbs and store in an airtight bottle. I keepa bottle of basil oil around for flavoring pasta pretty much year round. Rosemary and tarragon also make good infusions depending on what proteins you like.

I buy one infused oil simply because of the price of the raw ingredient. Truffle oil. If you eat eggs or pasta it is a great flavor enhancement but it can be pricey.

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RE: Butter Substitutes? - 2/3/2010 3:36:53 PM   
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Earth Balance GMO-Free Ingredients:

Expeller-pressed natural oil blend (soy, palm, canola and olive), filtered water, pure salt, natural flavor (derived from grains), soy protein, soy lecithin, lactic acid (non-dairy, derived from sugar beets), vitamin A palmitate, and beta-carotene color.

The website explains that the palm oil is from the fruit of the plant and not the nut, which they claim (the fruit) is beneficial.


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RE: Butter Substitutes? - 2/3/2010 3:38:39 PM   
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I infuse olive oil and it is awesome. Fresh chopped garlic, hot dried cayenne peppers, black pepper, himalayan crystal salt, rosemary, add it all into the oil and refrigerate. You can experiment and add what you like and see what flabors you enjoy the most. I love heat in food so the peppers are amazing! Wait awhile, like a few weeks and then strain oil so there is no chance for bacteria to grow.

If you make toast you can use olive oil instead of butter, getting an easy pour with those oil bottles with the spout that allows for control of amount and area.

A really good sandwich and healthy too is toast some healthy bread, pour olive oil add the salt and a bit of tobasco, lay some peanut butter on and then pile on herbs like Italian parsley or arugula so delicious! Speaking of infusion, try some fresh dill into some apple cider vinegar. Leave it covered in a dark place for a few weeks and then strain the vinegar and it is a delicious addition to almost any dish.

I love butter though. Clarified, salted, unsalted I love the flavor.

Oh yeah, you are not eating dairy so instead of parmesan with the pasta use walnuts they are so good for you and really good fats. Roasted pine nuts, lay in a shallow pan and roast in the oven until they turn a bit brown. Do the same with sesame seeds and then crush them in the coffee bean grinder, the Magic Bullet whatever you have and this is so tasty and good fats but also adds 23% more protein to your dish, shake it on anything. They call it gomashio.

Another idea which is not a fat substitute but a good trick to try and goes so well with olive oil. Get some tomatoes and cut in half. Turn oven on low. Put skin side down with inner tomato facing up. Sprinkle with salt (I only use Himalyan crystal salt, it has like over 80 minerals and good things in it) cracked black pepper and that is enough or add fresh rosemary if you have some. Put in oven until tomatoes begin to toughen up and your home will smell incredible. Add these to a jar of olive oil and garlic pieces and refrigerate for a week or so and then devour with pasta or in a salad or right out of the jar. Add walnuts, pinenuts, gomashio to the pasta dish you could make with these tomatoes, some black olives, kale etc and you will be wanting to lick your plate.


I am so hungry now!


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RE: Butter Substitutes? - 2/3/2010 5:11:14 PM   
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if you are doing it for general health reasons, I would be wary of useing any product that has to be significantly altered to turn it into a something like soy butter ....


Yes, general health is my primary motive.

I haven't had time to look into soy butter yet, and did not know that it's significantly altered. It sounds like frankenfood... :-(

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RE: Butter Substitutes? - 2/3/2010 5:15:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: heartcream

I infuse olive oil and it is awesome. Fresh chopped garlic, hot dried cayenne peppers, black pepper, himalayan crystal salt, rosemary, add it all into the oil and refrigerate. You can experiment and add what you like and see what flabors you enjoy the most. I love heat in food so the peppers are amazing! Wait awhile, like a few weeks and then strain oil so there is no chance for bacteria to grow.

If you make toast you can use olive oil instead of butter, getting an easy pour with those oil bottles with the spout that allows for control of amount and area.

A really good sandwich and healthy too is toast some healthy bread, pour olive oil add the salt and a bit of tobasco, lay some peanut butter on and then pile on herbs like Italian parsley or arugula so delicious! Speaking of infusion, try some fresh dill into some apple cider vinegar. Leave it covered in a dark place for a few weeks and then strain the vinegar and it is a delicious addition to almost any dish.

I love butter though. Clarified, salted, unsalted I love the flavor.

Oh yeah, you are not eating dairy so instead of parmesan with the pasta use walnuts they are so good for you and really good fats. Roasted pine nuts, lay in a shallow pan and roast in the oven until they turn a bit brown. Do the same with sesame seeds and then crush them in the coffee bean grinder, the Magic Bullet whatever you have and this is so tasty and good fats but also adds 23% more protein to your dish, shake it on anything. They call it gomashio.

Another idea which is not a fat substitute but a good trick to try and goes so well with olive oil. Get some tomatoes and cut in half. Turn oven on low. Put skin side down with inner tomato facing up. Sprinkle with salt (I only use Himalyan crystal salt, it has like over 80 minerals and good things in it) cracked black pepper and that is enough or add fresh rosemary if you have some. Put in oven until tomatoes begin to toughen up and your home will smell incredible. Add these to a jar of olive oil and garlic pieces and refrigerate for a week or so and then devour with pasta or in a salad or right out of the jar. Add walnuts, pinenuts, gomashio to the pasta dish you could make with these tomatoes, some black olives, kale etc and you will be wanting to lick your plate.





Mmm... some tasty-sounding ideas there.

Thanks!

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RE: Butter Substitutes? - 2/3/2010 5:28:00 PM   
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quote:

Infusing oils at home might be the way to go. Find a mild oil you like, grocery EVOO is a good starting point and usually under $10 a pint, and herbs you like the flavor of. Get a small pan and pour in a pint or so of oil and a handful of herbs. heat over very low flame util the oil is warm but not hot, aim for around 200F. cut the heat and let the oil and herbs steep until the oil is room temp. Strain out the herbs and store in an airtight bottle. I keepa bottle of basil oil around for flavoring pasta pretty much year round. Rosemary and tarragon also make good infusions depending on what proteins you like.


I have to agree; the more I'm seeing, the more I'm thinking infusion may be the best way for me to go here. Though I need to start experimenting with various oils as well.

Thanks for the infusion tips!

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RE: Butter Substitutes? - 2/3/2010 5:34:15 PM   
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Earth Balance GMO-Free Ingredients:

Expeller-pressed natural oil blend (soy, palm, canola and olive), filtered water, pure salt, natural flavor (derived from grains), soy protein, soy lecithin, lactic acid (non-dairy, derived from sugar beets), vitamin A palmitate, and beta-carotene color.

The website explains that the palm oil is from the fruit of the plant and not the nut, which they claim (the fruit) is beneficial.



Aww... thanks for researching this for me.

Nothing sinister seems to be lurking in that product.

Have you ever tasted it?

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RE: Butter Substitutes? - 2/3/2010 5:53:12 PM   
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Aww... thanks for researching this for me.

Nothing sinister seems to be lurking in that product.

Have you ever tasted it?

You're welcome :)

Yes I've tasted it many times, it is buttery and I quite like it which is why I recommended it.

I often use EB when I bake treats for vegan friends.


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