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RE: first meetings - 2/4/2010 4:19:29 PM   
angelikaJ


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ORIGINAL: ashyia

So am I completely wrong for thinking the first time you meet someone should be in a public place for coffee or such??  I can't tell you how many times some "Dom" tells me I have no clue how to be a sub/slave/little girl because I don't invite them to my place for the first meeting.  

Since when does being safe mean I am not a sub/slave/little girl?

"I can be over at 4 and you can sit at the door with a blindfold on" and I was chastised for not understanding...  

I would love to hear what others think...




In your profile you say you have been around for about 10 years.

I am not questioning that.
I am wondering why you would be questioning yourself about the common sense things most people choose to do when meeting someone for the first time.

If this was a first vanilla date would you want to start it off by greeting him at your door naked?

I don't know if these are people who want to meet right away or someone you have been chatting with for awhile.
Sometimes people who engage in on-line play will make assumptions based upon the context of their interactions.

Just as no one can declare you to be submissive to them (and have it mean anything) before you choose that for yourself, neither can anyone declare that you aren't a proper submissive for not following their whim.

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RE: first meetings - 2/4/2010 4:22:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ


In your profile you say you have been around for about 10 years.

I am not questioning that.
I am wondering why you would be questioning yourself about the common sense things most people choose to do when meeting someone for the first time.

If this was a first vanilla date would you want to start it off by greeting him at your door naked?

I don't know if these are people who want to meet right away or someone you have been chatting with for awhile.
Sometimes people who engage in on-line play will make assumptions based upon the context of their interactions.

Just as no one can declare you to be submissive to them (and have it mean anything) before you choose that for yourself, neither can anyone declare that you aren't a proper submissive for not following their whim.


You have a good point about why question myself.  I guess I am more curious if just showing up is more common now then I thought.  Being owned for some time of that 10 yrs I didn't have to worry about meeting a Dom. 

I would be more worried if i gave in to it.

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RE: first meetings - 2/4/2010 4:23:14 PM   
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If you're the type that likes to meet in public, meet in public. If you have a good head on your shoulders then meet privately. There is no rule book.


Yes, there is a rule book. The rule book says that when you are an unattached slave, choosing to ignore your own inner warnings and do things that make you uncomfortable is a bad idea.

People who want you to ignore your safety requests are not the right matches for you.

It is not that meeting in private is dangerous - i get it, you have done it and you are fine with it. But if I feel strongly that i will only meet guys who agree to wear a red buttoneer to our first meeting, then guys who don't want to do that are not a good match for me.

anyone that tries to bully me into breaking my rules because otherwise I'm not a weal twue is a bully and an idiot and not fit to meet, imo.

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RE: first meetings - 2/4/2010 4:24:44 PM   
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Well said. 

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RE: first meetings - 2/4/2010 4:32:52 PM   
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like I said in my original post..do what you're comfortable with...if youre not comfortable with it, don't do it. If you are comfortable with it...great. Do it.

Again there is no rule book except your very own.


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RE: first meetings - 2/4/2010 6:19:38 PM   
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I met my Daddy at a Denny's and we just talked for a while and then I went home and he went home and that was it. There were no expectations or anything. 

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RE: first meetings - 2/4/2010 6:22:03 PM   
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quote:

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People should do what htey are comfy with.  Though as a Dom and a girl states she would like to meet in person  at a public place would you  refuse to meet her? 


If I want to meet her, I will meet her.  I prefer a public place because that shows she has some common sense.  As a Dom, I feel responsible for my sub, and if she's a blithering idiot and unconcerned about safety, I will have a mess on my hands.

I suspect that these "Doms" are married and not wanting to show their face in public with another woman.  I'm cynical like that.


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RE: first meetings - 2/4/2010 6:57:01 PM   
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Maybe I've gotten cynical but it seems a lot of guys get involved with BDSM because they think it means free sex. With that in mind they figure if you're into it then you want NSA sex as well. Anyone who uses the magic phrase that you aren't a twue submissive because....(fill in the blank).....deserves to be kicked to the curb. I am so glad when someone shows me how silly they are by using this technique because then I can't get rid of them fast enough. Don't knock it...it's a good screening technique lol.

I always meet in a public place first. You never know if someone is how they represented themselves in the pictures they sent you and you never know if there is a personal connection. I'd rather not be at my place and find out that I am not interested in seeing that person again and now how do I get rid of him. If there is a strong connection and the pictures are dead on then you can always move things forward by going somewhere else if you should choose to do so. Backpedaling when the guy is at your place isn't so easy.

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RE: first meetings - 2/4/2010 7:26:35 PM   
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Meet at Starbucks. Or a quiet lunch spot. Out here, it's convenient to meet at a local munch since we have 'em on Mondays (San Jose), Wednesdays (Palo Alto/Sunnyvale) and Fridays (Campbell/Los Gatos). I couldn't imagine meeting at someone's personal residence for the first time. I'm sure it happens; but it's just not a safe thing to do in some rare cases.



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RE: first meetings - 2/4/2010 7:33:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lizi

Maybe I've gotten cynical but it seems a lot of guys get involved with BDSM because they think it means free sex. With that in mind they figure if you're into it then you want NSA sex as well. Anyone who uses the magic phrase that you aren't a twue submissive because....(fill in the blank).....deserves to be kicked to the curb. I am so glad when someone shows me how silly they are by using this technique because then I can't get rid of them fast enough. Don't knock it...it's a good screening technique lol.

I always meet in a public place first. You never know if someone is how they represented themselves in the pictures they sent you and you never know if there is a personal connection. I'd rather not be at my place and find out that I am not interested in seeing that person again and now how do I get rid of him. If there is a strong connection and the pictures are dead on then you can always move things forward by going somewhere else if you should choose to do so. Backpedaling when the guy is at your place isn't so easy.


VERY good point lizi! And let's not forget that when you meet at a public place, have a friend call you about 30 minutes into the date, so if it isn't going well, you can say your friend needs your assistance and make a graceful exit, lol.

Really though to the OP.....If you are doing cyber before meeting, they think you are ready to play. If you are only looking for a playmate, that's one thing. If you are looking for a relationship though, jumping right into play isn't the greatest of ideas (although it has worked for many).

Like everyone else has said, you are free to call the shots for that first meeting, you owe no one anything. It is presumptuous of them to even make that demand. It is a matter of safety, but as someone else said, I think most people are relatively safe, but when seeking a relationship, there isn't a need to rush into anything before you even meet in person.

Always feel free when someone tells you that you are a "bad" submissive to let them know that they just gave you all the information you need to know about them and you are going to take your "bad" ass to someone else because they aren't worthy of your time.

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RE: first meetings - 2/4/2010 8:02:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

I've met men in private settings with not a single soul around.

I'm still alive. ......If you have a good head on your shoulders then meet privately.

There is no rule book.



i've got to disagree with you here.  In principle, you are correct.  There is no rule book.  But in actual practice, you are dead wrong.

Remember, providing info on a forum like this, we don't have information about the specifics of anyone's situation.  Without that, it is most prudent to provide advice that will apply to the majority of cases.  In the vast majority of cases, it is best for a woman to meet a strange man in a public place. 

Have women met strangers in their homes or other private places before?  Of course they have.  Is it what you would advise your daughter to do when meeting a male stranger?  Of course it isn't.

The bottom line is that by erring on the side of caution, one is likely to live longer.

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RE: first meetings - 2/4/2010 8:31:31 PM   
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Wow. I must be a lot more old fashioned than I thought...

No one here has ever been on a blind date?

Ya know...sister/brother/best friend sets you up with a guy you've never met before, never spoken to or know anything at all about except the sister/brother/friend tell you they have a "great personality"....

The guy comes to your house, you let him him, you  do the obligatory "oh you're early. Let me finish getting dressed" while you go back upstairs for 5 minutes so he can stir for a little bit or look around at your stuff to get a better idea of who you are because well..he's nervous to be going out with you.

You come downstairs, smile, look him over and decide right then and there if it will be a good date or one of looking at the time waiting for it to be over.

Then you both drive off together in his car to the restaurant that he chose and pray like hell that he hasn't mysteriously misplaced his wallet for the night.

No one? Never? Wow...can ya tell I've been through numerous ones??


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RE: first meetings - 2/4/2010 9:10:10 PM   
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I figure my safety comes first. If they can't understand that, then they aren't the type of Dom I am looking for. Luckily, I have met a few that see no problem with meeting in public the first time, or even the second time if that would make me comfortable.

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RE: first meetings - 2/4/2010 9:11:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

Wow. I must be a lot more old fashioned than I thought...

No one here has ever been on a blind date?

......The guy comes to your house, you let him him, you  do the obligatory "oh you're early. Let me finish getting dressed" while you go back upstairs for 5 minutes so he can stir for a little bit or look around at your stuff to get a better idea of who you are because well..he's nervous to be going out with you.

You come downstairs, smile, look him over and decide right then and there if it will be a good date or one of looking at the time waiting for it to be over.



Yeah, perhaps you are a bit old fashioned.  That's the way it used to happen on "The Patty Duke Show".  But in real life, it goes more like this:

"Blind date" shows up at your door.  His eyes are bloodshot, and he smells like marijuana, but you don't want to be rude and accuse him of being high, so you don't say anything.

The first thing you noticed when you looked at him was that he had more tattoos than you could possibly count.  Some of them looked like symbols that you've seen in horror movies and Satanic rituals.  You wonder what race he is under all of that ink.

Being the trusting girl that you are, you go upstairs and leave "Damian" downstairs alone.  He decides to make himself at home by going through your purse.  He helps himself to all the cash he can find, then he pockets one of your credit cards for good measures.

He goes to your stereo and turns it on without asking your permission.  He finds a gangsta rap station, and turns up the volume so loud that you can feel the floor and walls vibrating.

Now his mind turns to how nice it's going to be to have sex with you.  He understands that you must want him as badly as he want you.  After all, why else would you invite a total stranger into your house in this day and age?  "Yeah, she wants me", he thinks.

He quickly removes his pants.  His penis is standing at attention as he waits for you to come downstairs in the sexy lingerie that you are obviously changing into.

When he sees you coming down the stairs wearing a dress rather than lingerie, he grows angry and starts yelling at you.  You can't really make out what he's saying, because his yells are being drowned out by the loud rap music he turned on.

He continues to yell at you, commanding you to "take off your clothes, bitch!!!", but you still can't hear him over the loud music.

He become enraged because you are not getting naked, and he reaches into his jacket and pulls out a large knife.  Before you even realize what's happened, he's sliced your throat open, and the blood from your neck is re-painting the walls red.

He then takes the knife, and cuts open your torso and begins removing your entrails.  He begins eating them Dahmer-style.  Once he's eaten his fill, he goes into your pantry and finds some Zip-Lock bags.  He bags up a few of your internal organs for a late-night snack, turns off your stereo, and lets himself out the front door.

Moral of the story:  Always meet strangers in a public place. 

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RE: first meetings - 2/4/2010 9:26:32 PM   
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Depends. I've met men in private settings with not a single soul around.



But were these men morons?


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RE: first meetings - 2/4/2010 9:27:36 PM   
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OK so you've been online and found a potential play partner, deciding to make the plunge and meet in-person.  The dilemma:  Public or private? 
Options?: 
Door #1:  Public place and play it safe with no possible play involved and just a "feel it out" session.  You are doing this with a "safe call" or silent alarm friend with or without code and a specific time to call or call-back involved.  Maybe some pertinent information about your potential person.    

Door #2:  Public place without all the fancy schmancy safety checks and balances involved and you are doing this like Emilia Earhart:  solo flight.  You haven't really told anyone where you're going, no one's going to check up on you or miss you if you don't get back home (so exciting living on the edge and that rushy heady sense of danger just making feel so TYPE-A you can just taste it!) on time or anywhere really.  You're not really planning on bringing this person home or going anywhere with them...well maybe....nawww...well (oh-so exciting isn't it?) we'll see.

Door #3:  Private place a hotel room, his/her place or your place.  It's your first meeting now...you may have negotiated for what seemed like endless boring hours leading up to this near-magical point.  It may be everything you ever dreamed of!  He or she is everything they said they were, no surprises...just total bliss on the mind.  That is until the moment of truth.  You won't really know until you close that door isolating yourself from the rest of the world for 3-hours in that lovely hot sheets motel (where no one asks any questions). 
It's at that point where you find if all those negotiations and ideals and on-line things you participated are going to come true...and perhaps they do, and more so for argument's sake they do.  PLUS you DID install that nice silent alarm feature!!  You told someone about this meeting, and that you are confident, and you have  your cell with you, and you may have even let them know that calls will be coming in, and going out that must be done so that you are not in danger (they don't know about that codeword you have that sends the police to the hotel...you did tell them what hotel you were in right?  Oh and did you give your friend any information about your play partner?  License number?  Real name?  Verified cell or something?  In this case you did and so there is some sort of support and checking going on (still so very very exciting!  Oh you Type-A you)

Door #4:  Private meeting at your place.  He or she don't want to meet in public.  He or she don't like the idea of a cozy hot sheets place.  What's the need for safety calls and silent alarms?  You'll call your friend or get online later when it's over to share that wonderful experience you are anticipating.  No one knows about this meeting.  Just you, the other person, and the anticipation:  and the truth however that comes to pass.  It might be great, exciting, all you ever wanted.  It might also be you blindfolded with more than just that person coming through the door, robbing, gang-raping you, taking your life into their hands, your safety compromised, and left either there or in a shallow pit.  This is an extreme but real scenario that could happen.  This would not be listed in the newspaper or on TV as more than a home invasion with a possible homicide.  A page 1 event if you live in a small town, or a page 3 or 5 event in the papers if you live in a larger city.  That would the first and last anyone heard of it and that would be the explanation of what was found by the authorities, not what brought this tragedy to where it ended.

Mom always said don't talk to strangers, accept candy or get into some you don't know's car...and the clean underwear thing (which is in the Mother's Handbook BTW).  All good things to incite common-sense.  Using that common-sense will help one along greatly.  Ignoring it, is well sort of improving the gene pool's survival the hard way.  Go with your guts, I personally believe that caution and safety rules.  The silent alarm or safety call system that so many use isn't just for submissives by the way.  Dominants could also stand to have something like that in place when meeting a new potential submissive. 

What someone poses to be online and what they are live and in-person can be two different things.  Some dominants are just sadists and perverts using the lifestyle to gain access to potential prey.  Some are genuine.  Hard to tell until you get down to brass tacks.  Submissives are not always helpless either, not all have low self-esteem and are easy pickins like some may think (especially those sexual predators that feel submissives in the lifestyle are vessels for instant sex, and you can use these desperate people for anything and they are easy lays)...I'm sure quite a few of these wanna-bes find themselves with a tiger by the tail to contend with.  But there are some out there, who do fit their profile...otherwise they wouldn't be around.  Just be careful.  It's risky and dangerous, and knowing your risks, and using safety and sanity just might make all the difference.   

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RE: first meetings - 2/4/2010 10:07:02 PM   
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To me any dom not willing to meet in public isn't werth the type it takes to click the block button. But that is me.

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RE: first meetings - 2/4/2010 10:16:10 PM   
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I think someone who expects you to invite them to your home before meeting them for coffee (at least!) is crazy!

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RE: first meetings - 2/5/2010 12:10:59 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: littlewonder

Wow. I must be a lot more old fashioned than I thought...

No one here has ever been on a blind date?

Ya know...sister/brother/best friend sets you up with a guy you've never met before, never spoken to or know anything at all about except the sister/brother/friend tell you they have a "great personality"....

The guy comes to your house, you let him him, you  do the obligatory "oh you're early. Let me finish getting dressed" while you go back upstairs for 5 minutes so he can stir for a little bit or look around at your stuff to get a better idea of who you are because well..he's nervous to be going out with you.

You come downstairs, smile, look him over and decide right then and there if it will be a good date or one of looking at the time waiting for it to be over.

Then you both drive off together in his car to the restaurant that he chose and pray like hell that he hasn't mysteriously misplaced his wallet for the night.

No one? Never? Wow...can ya tell I've been through numerous ones??




The key there is that someone you know knows them. It is a blind date, but it isn't an internet date. Big difference.

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RE: first meetings - 2/5/2010 12:24:27 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Scheherazade67

I think someone who expects you to invite them to your home before meeting them for coffee (at least!) is crazy!


What if you don't like coffee?

I like coffee by the way, but I know people who do not

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