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tazzygirl -> RE: Proof Of God To An Atheist (2/6/2010 11:53:24 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Brain
I can't find your answer to was Hitler a catholic or an atheist. And if you have another question what is it? I answered your question here.
I'm saying I don't believe in God but I still consider myself Greek Orthodox. Maybe that means I'm confused.
Now I would like to ask you a question and I hope you don't duck it. Was Hitler a catholic or an atheist? quote:
ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
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ORIGINAL: Brain
How do I know he was catholic? Because he told me. I asked him and he told me. And other people that do his job and work with him are catholic too and confirmed it. I didn't ask them if they thought Hitler was an atheist.
Why would they lie? It sounds like you don't want people to know, Hitler, the man who killed 6million Jews was a catholic.
I still think I am Greek Orthodox even though I don't think there is a God.
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
How do you know the person who told you that was catholic? i can say im islamic, would you believe me?
So that means, then, you are not atheist, neither is LA. Is that what you are saying?
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Ahem... i did answer. Now, how about returning the favor, Brain?
My answer, and subsequent question are at posting 173
http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3051353
thats the link to what you seem to be unable to find.
As far as Hitler being a christian, there are many who are arguing that point. Seems he was born a catholic... but so are many who are now atheist.
The following may be of interest to you.
http://thenewamerican.com/history/european/271-hitler-and-christianity
After scouring the papers, she published the first installment of them in 2002, a 120-page O.S.S. report entitled “The Nazi Master Plan: The Persecution of the Christian Churches.” Reporting on these O.S.S. findings in the Philadelphia Inquirer, Edward Colimore wrote: “The fragile, typewritten documents from the 1940s lay out the Nazi plan in grim detail: Take over the churches from within, using party sympathizers. Discredit, jail or kill Christian leaders. And re-indoctrinate the congregants. Give them a new faith — in Germany’s Third Reich.” He then quotes Mandel: “A lot of people will say, ‘I didn’t realize that they were trying to convert Christians to a Nazi philosophy.’... They wanted to eliminate the Jews altogether, but they were also looking to eliminate Christianity.”
Without a doubt, Hitler often made vile anti-Christian statements. For instance, according to Allan Bullock in his book Hitler: A Study in Tyranny, Hitler once hissed, “I’ll make these d**ned parsons feel the power of the state in a way they would have never believed possible.... This filthy reptile raises its head whenever there is a sign of weakness in the State, and therefore it must be stamped on. We have no sort of use for a fairy story invented by the Jews.” Bullock also reports that Hitler said, “The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity.... The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.” (Bullock derived both quotations from the book Hitler’s Table Talk.)
Seeming Contradiction
While this is convincing, a seeming contradiction must be explained, one that provides ammunition for Christianity’s critics. Although Hitler did make virulently anti-Christian statements, he sometimes made pro-Christian ones and appeared as a man of faith. For instance, in a 1934 speech in Koblenz, Hitler said, “I know that here and there the objection has been raised: Yes, but you have deserted Christianity. No, it is not that we have deserted Christianity; it is those who came before us who deserted Christianity.... National Socialism neither opposes the Church nor is it anti-religious, but on the contrary it stands on the ground of a real Christianity.” In an April 12, 1922 speech published in My New Order he said, “My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter.” Then, portraying himself as a defender of the faith in a 1933 Berlin speech, he said, “We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations; we have stamped it out.”
There are many other such pro- and anti-Christian Hitler quotations (and no small number of bogus ones, I might add), all existing within a maelstrom of fierce debate between Christians and atheists about Hitler’s worldview. So how do we reconcile these contradictory statements? The O.S.S. report provides the answer. Columnist Joe Sharkey wrote about the relevant passage in the New York Times:
According to Baldur von Schirach, the Nazi leader of the German youth corps that would later be known as the Hitler Youth, “the destruction of Christianity was explicitly recognized as a purpose of the National Socialist movement” from the beginning, though “considerations of expedience made it impossible” for the movement to adopt this radical stance officially until it had consolidated power.
Anyways, i leave you to read the rest. As i said, i have no idea, and really never thought about the possibility of someone claiming to be christian after killing so many people.
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