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I ALWAYS desire to understand and learn because most of the time (80%) I think I'm stupid.

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

God bears witness that there is no god but Him and so do the angels and those possessed of knowledge. In justice, there is no god but Him, He is the exalted, the wise." 

"I bear witness that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is His servant and messenger."
 
 
I hope this clears everything up....:)

Jeff

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Asking for clarification is not twisting. At least not the last time i checked, and it often occurs in a debate, as you should know.

You are right. You asked for clarification, I gave you clear answers. You did not accept them and continued to twist my words. That's the difference.

- LA

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Its pretty simple logic. And the act of confession as well as the act of atonement would back me up. According to christian faith, god gave a list of commandments, and the law that they were to be followed.. no exceptions. No where was it written that you could lie if.. you could steal if.. ect. Once you break one, you might as well have broken them all... there are no minor or major commandments that i recall.

So what your saying is your a christian until you do something wrong and then your not a christian anymore? Wow, that would wipe out our whole church as I am pretty certain we don't have any members who are perfect and never make mistakes. In fact I would bet even our minister makes mistakes from time to time. Does this mean he's not a christian either?

If your minister, or a flock member, is discovered to have broken a law, or commandment, then refused to admit and atone, would you still consider him a christian?

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ORIGINAL: Brain

How do I know he was catholic? Because he told me. I asked him and he told me. And other people that do his job and work with him are catholic too and confirmed it. I didn't ask them if they thought Hitler was an atheist.

Why would they lie? It sounds like you don't want people to know, Hitler, the man who killed 6million Jews was a catholic.

I still think I am Greek Orthodox even though I don't think there is a God.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

How do you know the person who told you that was catholic? i can say im islamic, would you believe me?

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Its pretty simple logic. And the act of confession as well as the act of atonement would back me up. According to christian faith, god gave a list of commandments, and the law that they were to be followed.. no exceptions. No where was it written that you could lie if.. you could steal if.. ect. Once you break one, you might as well have broken them all... there are no minor or major commandments that i recall.

So what your saying is your a christian until you do something wrong and then your not a christian anymore? Wow, that would wipe out our whole church as I am pretty certain we don't have any members who are perfect and never make mistakes. In fact I would bet even our minister makes mistakes from time to time. Does this mean he's not a christian either?

If your minister, or a flock member, is discovered to have broken a law, or commandment, then refused to admit and atone, would you still consider him a christian?

Where did you mention refusing to admit and atone here "god gave a list of commandments, and the law that they were to be followed.. no exceptions."

You said if you break one, you might as well break them all, implying that once you have sinned you can never go back. Life doesn't work that way. And yes I think if Jim Jones honestly believed in Christ and honestly thought he was doing God's work then he was a christian. As far as I know the definition of a christian is one who believes Christ was the son of God. Now the fact that we all know we was evil and caused the death of a lot of people, doesn't change his beliefs. It just makes him a really bad christian.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I will always attack intelligence in a debate. Physical attributes you will never find me attacking. Its poor form for any debate, something you truly should understand Steel.

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How do I know he was catholic? Because he told me. I asked him and he told me. And other people that do his job and work with him are catholic too and confirmed it. I didn't ask them if they thought Hitler was an atheist.

Why would they lie? It sounds like you don't want people to know, Hitler, the man who killed 6million Jews was a catholic.

I still think I am Greek Orthodox even though I don't think there is a God.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

How do you know the person who told you that was catholic? i can say im islamic, would you believe me?

So you accept a partial entry from Wikipedia and the comment by some guy who could not have possibly known Hitler as proof that Hitler was a Catholic.  Oh fuck me stupid!  That's all the proof you need to accept something?  But you start thread after thread after thread about needing "proof" there is a God.  Why not just look it up on Wikipedia?

Here's an idea.  Catholic churches keep records.  Lots and lots of records.  If Hitler were a Catholic there would be a written record of his baptism an his First Communion.  That would be proof.  Go find it.

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I like using Wikipedia
Hitler stated in a speech in 1927:

Herr Hitler called Christianity one of the great "scourges" of history, and said of the Germans, "Let's be the only people who are immunized against this disease." Sounds like one of your quotes. Are you Catholic, too, then?

It may come as a shock to you that Hitler lied to the public when it suited his purposes, particularly when he still needed German voters, as he did in 1927. But Brain, it's hard to understand why you didn't mention Hitler quotes like "I am a complete pagan", and "The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death...Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity". His writing that went to fellow Nazis was explicit on the subject, and there's a long list of similar quotes to demonstrate that he was rabidly anti-Christian, and anti-Catholic. As you know.

His actions make it even clearer, so it's hard to understand why you didn't mention that Hitler closed religious schools, why he shut down Christian organizations, or why he ordered the murder of priests, not to mention the German leader of Catholic Action.

You didn't mention that Hitler had Christian civil servants fired, that he confiscated church property, or that he censored religious newspapers.  

Maybe you should read the entire page at Wikipedia, and/or expand your reading to actual history, and perhaps past sites like faithisbad.com, because that kind of cartoony anti-religious propaganda doesn't do any favours to those of us who support science and reason and liberalism.

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ORIGINAL: Brain

I don’ t know enough about Hitler to cite all the examples you mentioned and quite frankly the man is not my kind of person so I didn’t want to know too much about his twisted thinking. I’d rather read something about SpinnerofTales because he would be worth my time. I am surprised you telling me Hitler lied, didn't think he/dictators had to but maybe all politicians lie.

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I like using Wikipedia
Hitler stated in a speech in 1927:

Herr Hitler called Christianity one of the great "scourges" of history, and said of the Germans, "Let's be the only people who are immunized against this disease." Sounds like one of your quotes. Are you Catholic, too, then?

It may come as a shock to you that Hitler lied to the public when it suited his purposes, particularly when he still needed German voters, as he did in 1927. But Brain, it's hard to understand why you didn't mention Hitler quotes like "I am a complete pagan", and "The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death...Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity". His writing that went to fellow Nazis was explicit on the subject, and there's a long list of similar quotes to demonstrate that he was rabidly anti-Christian, and anti-Catholic. As you know.

His actions make it even clearer, so it's hard to understand why you didn't mention that Hitler closed religious schools, why he shut down Christian organizations, or why he ordered the murder of priests, not to mention the German leader of Catholic Action.

You didn't mention that Hitler had Christian civil servants fired, that he confiscated church property, or that he censored religious newspapers.  

Maybe you should read the entire page at Wikipedia, and/or expand your reading to actual history, and perhaps past sites like faithisbad.com, because that kind of cartoony anti-religious propaganda doesn't do any favours to those of us who support science and reason and liberalism.

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

Here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence_of_God

[;)] Sorry couldn't resist. Seriously though Hitler was baptized and raised Catholic that's not the issue. The problem brains running into and reason that various positions in a debate can each pull out contradictory Hitler quotes and evidence is that his beliefs were complex and changed through the course of his life and his public statements about them didn't necessarily match his private statements..

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ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage

I found proof of god in this interview. However, it makes one give serious consideration on whether or not to pray to him is such a good idea after all...