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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

Which statement are you talking about?

If it was about being a deterrent then look above.

If it was about publishing concealed carry permits being an attraction to criminals that was what several people argued on the other thread, and I was not implying that you were one of those, only pointing out the contradiction.  

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ORIGINAL: Brain

It only takes one nut with a gun and he won't be using logic before he uses it. I don't trust this many wing nuts running around with weapons.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead
You probably think that Oswald and Hinckley were lone gunmen as well, Brain.

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ORIGINAL: MrMister

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ORIGINAL: Brain

Evidence that angry Americans are arming themselves for violence is hard to ignore.

Please forgive me for the intrusion, but why do you suppose folks are arming themselves for violence? Particularly, the inference that it is violence against the powers that be? Please correct me if I am misunderstanding this point.

I think that it is barely possible the upturn in the numbers of folks arming themselves nowadays may very well have to do with being a deterrent to crime. After all, criminals in general, flourish where there are plenty of helpless victims. 

I'm strictly guessing here, but a recent FBI release indicates that violent crime is down, during the same time those nasty gun sales were on the increase, which may not be completely coincidental. I personally think it is not a coincidence.

http://www.fbi.gov/page2/dec09/crimestats_122109.html

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ORIGINAL: MrMister

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: MrMister

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ORIGINAL: Brain

Evidence that angry Americans are arming themselves for violence is hard to ignore.

Please forgive me for the intrusion, but why do you suppose folks are arming themselves for violence? Particularly, the inference that it is violence against the powers that be? Please correct me if I am misunderstanding this point.

I think that it is barely possible the upturn in the numbers of folks arming themselves nowadays may very well have to do with being a deterrent to crime. After all, criminals in general, flourish where there are plenty of helpless victims. 

I'm strictly guessing here, but a recent FBI release indicates that violent crime is down, during the same time those nasty gun sales were on the increase, which may not be completely coincidental. I personally think it is not a coincidence.

http://www.fbi.gov/page2/dec09/crimestats_122109.html

Then you know nothing of demographics. Gun ownership is never a deterent to crime.

Whenever crime goes down, teh first stat to check is whether the percentage of the population that is 15 to 25 years old and male is declining. Since that group commits most crimes when it declines crime goes down.

Want to be which direction that cohort is trending?

In all due respect, if you read my post again, you should be able to find where I said it was "barely possible".Which I would venture a guess that most would infer from that statement that what I said was my opinion and such was indeed barely possible. Not sure why you feel obligated to quickly dismiss that?

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ORIGINAL: Brain

I don’t think people having guns as a deterrent works. If you want to reduce crimes get rid of guns like England or Canada and see the amount of violence and crime go down.

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ORIGINAL: MrMister

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ORIGINAL: Brain

Evidence that angry Americans are arming themselves for violence is hard to ignore.

Please forgive me for the intrusion, but why do you suppose folks are arming themselves for violence? Particularly, the inference that it is violence against the powers that be? Please correct me if I am misunderstanding this point.

I think that it is barely possible the upturn in the numbers of folks arming themselves nowadays may very well have to do with being a deterrent to crime. After all, criminals in general, flourish where there are plenty of helpless victims. 

I'm strictly guessing here, but a recent FBI release indicates that violent crime is down, during the same time those nasty gun sales were on the increase, which may not be completely coincidental. I personally think it is not a coincidence.

http://www.fbi.gov/page2/dec09/crimestats_122109.html

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
You made a claim that is well known to be wrong but that is frequently peddled. You tried to sneak it in with your weasel worded addition. I simply pointed out that there is no evidence to support your claim and there is another very well known circumstance to examine before looking elsewhere for crime trends.

If you don't like reality impinging on your fantasies then don't post them on public forums.

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ORIGINAL: DomImus
The last thing anyone wants is this guy to become a martyr. The next to the last thing anyone wants is for Biden to be president.

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ORIGINAL: Brain
Evidence that angry Americans are arming themselves for violence is hard to ignore.

In March, a Spokane, Washington, man pleaded guilty to illegally possessing two grenade launchers, 54 grenades, 37 machine guns, eight silencers, and a variety of explosives in a storage unit. The man had an “End the Fed” bumper sticker on his vehicle. In May, another Washington resident was charged with keeping an illegal cache of weapons that included a machine gun, four silencers, and two guns made by a local gunsmith and inscribed “Christian warrior” and “NObama.”

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
You made a claim that is well known to be wrong but that is frequently peddled. You tried to sneak it in with your weasel worded addition. I simply pointed out that there is no evidence to support your claim and there is another very well known circumstance to examine before looking elsewhere for crime trends.

If you don't like reality impinging on your fantasies then don't post them on public forums.

Silly me! Thanks for enlightening me on the effectiveness of your intellectual superiority that apparently prohibits anyone from espousing their views that are different from yours.  Absolutely amazing!

For a little of the logic behind my belief, please see the last paragraph in my previous post directly above. If you were a criminal, would you rather victimize someone who has a weapon, or someone without one? Kinda simple concept to grasp, I thought.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

I missed that you said that. Mea culpa. They weren't all rounded up by homeland security, then?
Still, I doubt a clade of people in tinfoil hats are going to pose a terrible threat to the authorities, you're dead right about that much.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
You made a claim that is well known to be wrong but that is frequently peddled. You tried to sneak it in with your weasel worded addition. I simply pointed out that there is no evidence to support your claim and there is another very well known circumstance to examine before looking elsewhere for crime trends.

If you don't like reality impinging on your fantasies then don't post them on public forums.

Silly me! Thanks for enlightening me on the effectiveness of your intellectual superiority that apparently prohibits anyone from espousing their views that are different from yours.  Absolutely amazing!

For a little of the logic behind my belief, please see the last paragraph in my previous post directly above. If you were a criminal, would you rather victimize someone who has a weapon, or someone without one? Kinda simple concept to grasp, I thought.

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ORIGINAL: Brain


Evidence that angry Americans are arming themselves for violence is hard to ignore.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
Persuasive bearers of tinfoil hats could indeed pose a threat to all of us. They hide them well under their turbans.

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Gun ownership is never a deterent to crime.

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I don’t think people having guns as a deterrent works. If you want to reduce crimes get rid of guns like England or Canada and see the amount of violence and crime go down.