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RE: An Experiment - 2/7/2010 7:20:42 AM   
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RE: An Experiment - 2/7/2010 8:00:51 AM   
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There are 2 other people on this thead who have admitted setting up fake profiles and messaging people. Why has nobody taken them to task for their dishonesty?



I suppose I could go back and find them, but I didn't read those posts... and they did not start this thread on the guise they were contributing something....



Yes you could go back and find them but you are obviously happy to comment on something you have not read. Perhaps you should read through the whole thread before commenting.

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RE: An Experiment - 2/7/2010 8:10:01 AM   
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There are 2 other people on this thead who have admitted setting up fake profiles and messaging people. Why has nobody taken them to task for their dishonesty?



I suppose I could go back and find them, but I didn't read those posts... and they did not start this thread on the guise they were contributing something....



Yes you could go back and find them but you are obviously happy to comment on something you have not read. Perhaps you should read through the whole thread before commenting.



Why? It isn't going to change my response...

I have stated in several different ways my problem with this rests on people doing social science without any training on ethics.. and the reasons why this can lead to bad unexpected outcomes. How is that going to change because I read joe blow's opinion about how they did the same thing? And how all of the sudden do we get side tracked from the wrongness of what she did and make it about my reaction to it?

What she did was wrong... not the worst crime in the world, but wrong...

Others may seek to emulate her and do something even worse

Because of that I will state my thoughts that this is not harmless

And only those she emailed can say how harmful what she did was...

Now I will just cut and paste this back over and over again until you understand that....perhaps in your world it is okay for people to experiment on others without any sort of oversight, in my world it would be a fast trip to being ostracized in my profession... and I think that perspective is as valuable to this thread as any other.


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RE: An Experiment - 2/7/2010 8:16:25 AM   
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There are 2 other people on this thead who have admitted setting up fake profiles and messaging people. Why has nobody taken them to task for their dishonesty?



I suppose I could go back and find them, but I didn't read those posts... and they did not start this thread on the guise they were contributing something....



Yes you could go back and find them but you are obviously happy to comment on something you have not read. Perhaps you should read through the whole thread before commenting.



Why? It isn't going to change my response...

I have stated in several different ways my problem with this rests on people doing social science without any training on ethics.. and the reasons why this can lead to bad unexpected outcomes. How is that going to change because I read joe blow's opinion about how they did the same thing? And how all of the sudden do we get side tracked from the wrongness of what she did and make it about my reaction to it?

What she did was wrong... not the worst crime in the world, but wrong...

Others may seek to emulate her and do something even worse

Because of that I will state my thoughts that this is not harmless

And only those she emailed can say how harmful what she did was...

Now I will just cut and paste this back over and over again until you understand that....perhaps in your world it is okay for people to experiment on others without any sort of oversight, in my world it would be a fast trip to being ostracized in my profession... and I think that perspective is as valuable to this thread as any other.



For goodness sake get off your high horse. This is not about your profession. It is about someone fairly new to this site who tried something out, came on here and said what she had done and has apologised for it.

Really there are some people taking this to a ridiculous level. I think you need to revisit your perspective.

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RE: An Experiment - 2/7/2010 8:17:27 AM   
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For goodness sake get off your high horse. This is not about your profession. It is about someone fairly new to this site who tried something out, came on here and said what she had done and has apologised for it.

Really there are some people taking this to a ridiculous level. I think you need to revisit your perspective.


Why do I need to revisit my perspective? Because you said so?

Whatever...

Edited to add.. I am done posting to people defending this bullshit...


Resident Sadist is right




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RE: An Experiment - 2/7/2010 8:18:40 AM   
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He has been in there since I was a kid


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RE: An Experiment - 2/7/2010 8:19:38 AM   
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Maybe here? In red?.....Nice people do silly things, *wrong* things...........it doesn't make them crappy people, it makes them people that have done *stuff wrong*.


That was my first response.. and perhaps I phrased it wrongly, but the next few responses I did say it the way I intended it... that what she did sucks...



Super duper.........She's fielding the* I phrased it wrongly* responses, too. Just as you're having too. Anyone with an ounce of nonce could work out in a heart-beat that she isn't doing some kind of scientific research ....... Good grief.

Give the girl a break......LOL

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RE: An Experiment - 2/7/2010 8:25:51 AM   
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Resident Sadist is right





Probally in ways people can't begin to imagine.

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RE: An Experiment - 2/7/2010 8:35:58 AM   
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For goodness sake get off your high horse. This is not about your profession. It is about someone fairly new to this site who tried something out, came on here and said what she had done and has apologised for it.

Really there are some people taking this to a ridiculous level. I think you need to revisit your perspective.


Why do I need to revisit my perspective? Because you said so?

Whatever...

Edited to add.. I am done posting to people defending this bullshit...


Resident Sadist is right





I wonder if that is because Resident Sadist is one of the 2 that admitted to doing the same thing as the OP

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RE: An Experiment - 2/7/2010 8:36:53 AM   
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Resident Sadist is right





Probally in ways people can't begin to imagine.



And really, really don't want to contemplate *shivers*


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RE: An Experiment - 2/7/2010 8:51:55 AM   
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I wonder if that is because Resident Sadist is one of the 2 that admitted to doing the same thing as the OP


As I said, I am not going to state over and over again ... you have your opinion... I have mine...

Keep on flaming me for mine.. I have not flamed you once for yours



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RE: An Experiment - 2/7/2010 9:01:24 AM   
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I wonder if that is because Resident Sadist is one of the 2 that admitted to doing the same thing as the OP


As I said, I am not going to state over and over again ... you have your opinion... I have mine...

Keep on flaming me for mine.. I have not flamed you once for yours




How on earth can me stating that Resident Sadist is one of the people that admitted doing the same thing as the OP flaming you. Really you need to get a grip.

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RE: An Experiment - 2/7/2010 9:03:39 AM   
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I wonder if that is because Resident Sadist is one of the 2 that admitted to doing the same thing as the OP


As I said, I am not going to state over and over again ... you have your opinion... I have mine...

Keep on flaming me for mine.. I have not flamed you once for yours




How on earth can me stating that Resident Sadist is one of the people that admitted doing the same thing as the OP flaming you. Really you need to get a grip.



I was quoting the horse beating smiley which i saw in his posts...

Now please go back to telling me what to do, what to think, and how to post....


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RE: An Experiment - 2/7/2010 9:13:33 AM   
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I did the same thing on Bondage.com years ago and got the same results as you. In retrospect however, I think it was unethical and would not do it again today.


It was incredibly unethical and stupid on both of your parts to do this. Unethical because it does nothing but cultivate suspicion in the minds of those receiving emails. Stupid because that's what anyone is who actually has to go through a charade like that to understand basic and simple concepts of communication.


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RE: An Experiment - 2/7/2010 9:16:57 AM   
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I did the same thing on Bondage.com years ago and got the same results as you. In retrospect however, I think it was unethical and would not do it again today.


It was incredibly unethical and stupid on both of your parts to do this. Unethical because it does nothing but cultivate suspicion in the minds of those receiving emails. Stupid because that's what anyone is who actually has to go through a charade like that to understand basic and simple concepts of communication.


I agree a 100% with that statement. I did explain the context and made no excuses for my behaviour over 10 years ago, unlike the OP. In her defense, I've also had 10 years+ to reflect on this.

I have since learned from this an have conducted highly ethical research. Errors in judgement can become learning experiences if we chose to admit it and stop lying and becoming defensive about it. That was my advice to the OP somewhere around page nine or something like that.

What I should have also added is that I got reemed by my undergrad professor at the time for doing it.

Oh and another clarification, not that this changes anything, I didn't have a profile, I entered a chat room on IRC and stayed an hour or two, maybe longer. I said that I was there simply to chat and get to know people. I flirted and all the Doms resented the fact that the ladies flirted with me. That was the extent of my exploration.

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RE: An Experiment - 2/7/2010 9:39:13 AM   
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For goodness sake get off your high horse. This is not about your profession. It is about someone fairly new to this site who tried something out, came on here and said what she had done and has apologised for it.

Really there are some people taking this to a ridiculous level. I think you need to revisit your perspective.


Why do I need to revisit my perspective? Because you said so?

Whatever...

Edited to add.. I am done posting to people defending this bullshit...


Resident Sadist is right





I wonder if that is because Resident Sadist is one of the 2 that admitted to doing the same thing as the OP


susie, I rarely respond to troll bait but you are wrong.

No, I didn't do quite the same thing as the OP nor should you give a fuck if I did. I did not seek contact or interact with anyone. I ran the profile for 30 days to see what kind of offensive incoming mail fem slaves get. Then I posted a notice that it would not be responding to emails. Many forum members have alt profiles with frognames, toadnames, bunnynames etc. Why the hell should anyone care . . . Candystri**er had about 10 screenames, was begging people for money and was a general pain in the ass . . . so what, her prerogative.

I also don’t really care that much one way or the other about the experiment of the OP. I’ve been marketing businesses for many years and her discovery is not news to me. A quality ad is better than a shitty one, hence my earlier reply confirming her findings. O’ boy . . . now that’s a big surprise eh?

As far as all the moral high ground, come on, she sent fucking emails… amongst the thousands of emails we get. If I had been on the receiving end, I wouldn’t have cared much one way or the other. I would have likely told her to fuck off and die for wasting a few minutes of my precious time . . . except I am a macho sexist fucking bastard and would have cut her slack because she shows some nice titty in her profile (good girl).

Nonetheless… even my reply does nothing to enrich the content of this very dead thread and I will not reply to any further ‘troll bait’, no matter whom it comes from.

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RE: An Experiment - 2/7/2010 9:45:44 AM   
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I will not reply to any further ‘troll bait’, no matter whom it comes from.


sooo what you are saying, RS, is that you are a troll?


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RE: An Experiment - 2/7/2010 9:50:12 AM   
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I will not reply to any further ‘troll bait’, no matter whom it comes from.


sooo what you are saying, RS, is that you are a troll?

Hiding naked behind a couch is 'sex bait' not troll bait.

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RE: An Experiment - 2/7/2010 10:31:04 AM   
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Ok, love that I went to sleep, woke up, and people are still arguing over the degree of wrong I committed. Look, there are only so many ways to say this: I realize that it was probably a mistake to do the experiment in the first place, and I've admitted that and apologized to the people involved, but I didn't get any negative anything until I got here to this message board. Whip is right - it was my intention to share more information, and possibly be helpful. I realize now that a lot of people feel that what I found is common knowledge, but I didn't actually KNOW that people felt that way until after this thread. I've actually read quite a few threads (though they get extremely long, and there are a lot) and I haven't seen many Doms all that convinced that they're doing anything wrong with their sometimes offensive, careless form letters. I completely believe that many people have taken the time and care to really try to help people with profile and email changes, but just because something has been covered doesn't mean that that's it - it's been covered for all eternity.

I was also trying to go about it in a different way - it's hard to believe anything you say when you come from the perspective of a straight woman on this site, because you haven't emailed tons of women and gotten no response. It might be that no one believes what I say either, and I am REALLY fine with that, but what I was trying to do was chip away at (not really put to rest) the complaint that women don't ever respond, by finding out how to GET women to respond. Since I don't know what I'm doing, I fully admit that it doesn't prove anything, because I didn't do the experiment scientifically. Probably the responses I got meant I was lucky - I admit I felt pretty lucky that I actually got thirty people to email me back, considering all the complaints about women never writing - but I think some of it has to do with an empathetic approach to email. And you can't tell me that people with an IQ over whatever know that, because VERY few of the hundreds of emails I get have any empathy in them at all.

Those who are judging the crap out of me after I admitted I made a mistake, I really wouldn't want to be you when YOU make a mistake. If other people's mistakes garner this much fire and indignation, your own must have you paralyzed. Intentions mean something, and I actually meant to do good. Just because it didn't work doesn't change the original intent.

IN CONCLUSION - I just want to repeat that I know what I did was unethical, and very likely a waste of time. I'm repeating that because whenever I say ANYthing, I get called a braggart. I'm not proud - certainly the tiny bit of pride I had in the beginning has been squashed to smithereens - but I'm not disgusted with myself. I'm (unfortunately) the only person who knows what actually happened in the emails, and therefore I can easily live with my conscience, even if some of you don't think I should. I made a mistake, I've been called out on it, and I think I've learned quite a few things. If you really think this is a waste of time, then stop wasting your time on it.

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RE: An Experiment - 2/7/2010 10:41:11 AM   
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That was a good post jujubeeMB. I'm glad slept brought you all these reflections. :-)

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