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Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 5:20:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		regardless of which side of that particular fence you find yourself when it comes to love/hate, she had a great quote from the tea whatever they are convention.

"When you're 0-3 you'd better stop lecturing and start listening."

Populist type message for sure, but one that seems accurate and telling given the tone of Obama's state speech and the last few elections.

She also apparently uttered the words about it being time for a revolution. Can't wait for the wankers to start calling for her arrest.

Lol.

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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 5:53:15 AM   
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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 7:31:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		I just had to share a line from the coverage at Salon. 

I know journalists aren't supposed to use words like mean and dumb, but I can't help it.
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/sarah_palin/index.html?story=/opinion/walsh/politics/2010/02/06/palin_speaks

Not hard to fugure out where that reporter falls on your spectrum.  LOL!

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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 7:38:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have no emotional attachment to Palin at all.

I've no wish to see her in a leadership position, and I oppose her politics.

What happens to her after not getting elected, I don't really care.

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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 7:39:07 AM   
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Its alright, the people at Salon aren't journalists anyway, they had established that long before Joan Walsh spilled whatever beans may have been left.


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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 7:43:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Liz Sidoti at the Associated Press didn't try to hide her partisanship either, when she bitterly complained in the opening sentence of her article that "Sarah Palin, in a speech that was short on ideas but big on enthusiasm, took aim at President Barack Obama and the Democrats, telling a gathering of "tea party" activists that America is ripe for another revolution."

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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 7:45:03 AM   
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Or didn't she have them?

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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 7:51:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm a moderate Independent, and I can guarantee you that Palin will cost the republicans the next election if she's nominated. She's another open borders lunatic, and there's no reason for half the republicans to vote for her. Democrats sure won't vote for her, and the only way to win an election is to get the swing voter like myself to support them.

This is one of the reasons McAmnesty lost, since he was another open borders lunatic, and half the republicans saw that and refused to vote for him. It didn't help that the arabs ran up the fuel prices a year or two before the election either to intentionally hurt the economy and get the republicans out office, and out of the middle east. As Chris Matthews said, "history proves that people vote republican during good times, since they see themselves as having the same opportunity to get ahead as everyone else. They vote democratic during bad times, since they empathize with other people and realize they could be next to lose their job. By now, they subconsciously know that democrats will hand out any amount of money to buy their vote, even if it means printing it up. the ironic part is that the two major factors destroying our economy are free trade, and Illegal Immigration, and so far the voters have not nominated or elected candidates who are willing to do anything about it. What a bunch of dumbasses.

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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 7:59:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		That's an interesting mix of views.

You've missed that free trade is a typically Republican issue (with some Democratic support--yes, I know Clinton signed NAFTA....I support free trade too--a debate for another day, another thread), and that spending money to "buy votes" and cutting peoples taxes to buy votes are the same thing, with the same impact on the national debt. Here's money, vote for me.

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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 8:14:35 AM   
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You missed the point. It isn't a journalists to judge whether there should be ideas in a given speaker's speech, or not.


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So what were these ideas?

Or didn't she have them?


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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 8:19:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm asking whether it's a judgment or a statement of fact.

The quoted section reports a lot of enthusiasm, not ideas. That's pretty common for a rally, and frankly, for a tea party gathering.

Now, if she had ideas that were fluffed over, that's a biased judgment. If it was mainly cheerleading, the report is accurate.

That we don't like a given headline or lede doesn't denote bias. Usually the problem is more glibness.

After all, the point of a lede is to grab the reader.

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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 8:36:48 AM   
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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 8:39:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		I was watching the news this morning and someone said she was trashing Obama for using a teleprompter, yet in her interview at the Teathingy she had notes written on her hand.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stefan-sirucek/did-palin-use-crib-notes_b_452458.html

She knew what the questions where and she had to write down her talking points on her hand, LMAO

I'm sure this will be spun, but I do not think O'bama had any notes on his hand when he answered questions from the GOP last week


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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 8:41:42 AM   
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Hey Rich - how did you like the part where Ms. Sidoti claimed that Palin "took aim" at the president in the same sentence in which she wrote about Palin saying that "America is ripe for another revolution"?

Muse won't see any bias there either, I suppose. 


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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 8:52:12 AM   
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Muse won't see any bias there either, I suppose. 




The Salon piece is no good for that, Sanity.  They are what they are.  I just found the line I snipped pretty funny.  The AP article on the other hand... 

Yeah.  I'm sure Muse sees straight reporting, that might pander to the corporate interest a bit.  NPR will have the real story, of course.



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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 8:57:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am one that hopes that the lamestreamers keep on underestimating the amount of anger in the electorate out there in 'fly over' land.... the mountain that is about to fall on the Obamaites will be measured for years to come in studying the political collapse of the 'progressive' movement....  a refounding of freedom is about to wash this lamest of all administrations out to sea....hide and watch lefties..... the independants are moving right by the thousands and Obama has a better chance of being historical only in the sense of being the most inept of all modern presidents.... I never thought anyone would surpass the peanut farmer himself as being the lamest dud of all time, but this idiot is coming on fast.....   and once again the looney left implodes....  gotta love it....

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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 8:59:57 AM   
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I think its funny how the template that the press used a few short years ago was "dissent is the highest form of patriotism" but their template now has switched to "dissent is racist, and a very dangerous unamerican activity".


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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 9:02:19 AM   
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Yeah. I'm sure Muse sees straight reporting, that might pander to the corporate interest a bit. NPR will have the real story, of course.

Have you been a mentalist long?

Do you do shows?

I'm saying Sanity (and you) are predispose to see bias. I also didn't say it was biased or not.

I asked whether it was true. Consistently, that question is dodged.

So one likely scenario is that it IS true.

An analysis of news reporting, for me, would go far beyond bias. The major problem with many stories, absolutely including AP, sometimes including NPR, is that they are badly written. This, to you, will immediately scream bias.

Look for something consistently and you'll see it there. Ask any conspiracy theorist.

When I gave you a chance to show that bias, you first complained about the "rules," and when I loosened them, complained about "changing the rules." When I showed you the problem with the study you quoted, that issued was dropped.

Is there biased reporting? Of course! Are reporters as unbiased as they think? Of course not. But they generally (at least in actual news organizations, which are in decline) are better trained to avoid bias than the public.

Usually, when someone complains of bias, the real intent is that it's not biased their way.

That seems to be the case here. The lede may be poorly written. It may display the reporter's thinking. But it appears to be true.

Nor do I think it's any particularly damning sentence. Rallies are always big on enthusiasm, short on ideas. It's when people believe it's about ideas, as the tea party does, that it's worth a comment.

And yes, that's my take. But then, I'm an essayist, not a reporter.



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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 9:03:58 AM   
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I think its funny how the template that the press used a few short years ago was "dissent is the highest form of patriotism" but their template now has switched to "dissent is racist, and a very dangerous unamerican activity".



A convenient straw man.

Evidence? And who are "they"?

I've certainly never even thought this, let alone hold the view.

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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 9:10:51 AM   
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the mountain that is about to fall on the Obamaites will be measured for years to come in studying the political collapse of the 'progressive' movement.... 


I said the same thing after '94, and the Dems said the same thing after '08. The only way to make it happen and make it stick is to restore the GOP to conservatism. Moderation isnt the answer, and Palin is the only one who could lose to Obama if the next 2 years are like the 1st.

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