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RE: Cooking Fat - 2/7/2010 9:27:16 PM

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I don't know, Aneirin, but can I have your cat? I have this neighbor that could use a message like that.

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RE: Cooking Fat - 2/7/2010 9:51:02 PM

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So, you prefer to let the cats go to danger.... I hope you don't have RL children. My hating (and hated) Uncle (brother of my mother) used to say "Go play on the expressway," and he meant it!!

ethically I disagree to leave cats inside when they are safe enough outside...

and your comparison to kids sucks.

I was hit by a car twice as a kid, on top of that once I was almost run over by a bin emptying van (my parents and neighbours that that's it, but wasn't as I was behind it already)...on top of that I used my brothers bike when I smashed the cellar window as I drove through it (and that's only a view of the events which could have killed me or left me severely damaged).....now....admitting that I had a hell of a lot of luck that I stayed reasonable fine...if those happenings would have led me being stuck inside the rest of my life I would not be a happy bunny.

Cats were born to be outside a lot and where I am coming from cats still live a lot on farms for the sake of catching mice...we don't treat cats as small humans we treat cats as cats...not more and not less...

and letting the cats outside does not mean I do nothing and just wait and see...it just means I use the precautions I am able to use, but at the end of the day you have never a guarantee for anything...

cats are not born to be packed in cotton wool, they like to roam out and about...IF my current date and I would move on then we have measures in place with the hope to prevent what happened to his dog to happen ever again...however, you have no guarantees...its simply life living as it is and not keep worrying about 1000s "what if's" and "what could"...humans took the cats inside the houses, it wasn't that they were born to be kept like that...

therefore that's my view and I went quite well with it...we all have risks in life and I prefer - if it goes wrong - a shorter and happy life then an oppressed and depressed life as an indoor cat.

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RE: Cooking Fat - 2/7/2010 9:51:42 PM

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The people next door had two cats.

One night very late I thought I heard one of our terriors barking outside. But it couldn't have been cause he was lying next to us. The barking went on for hours off and on. The bark sounded just like the dog lying next to me.

A few days later I talked to our next door neighbors and told them that if they heard "our" dog barking the other night it wasn't him. Well, they acted kind of weird for a bit, until we talked for a while. It turned out one of their cats went missing that night...never to be seen again. It was a beautiful white cat with orange markings. Even though it was a boy (although I didn't know it when we first saw it) I always called it glamour puss. But there was another terrior whose owners used to let run wild at night. That along with their great dane. I figure those dogs treed the cat and finally killed it. Glamour Puss (aka buddy *lol*) was never seen again.

We live in a very nice neighborhood, with a park right behind us and all kinds of cool stuff for cats to explore. But my cats are stuck in here with us and will live to a ripe old age. I do try to bring new things for them to play with though, and they seem content. Idk.

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RE: Cooking Fat - 2/7/2010 10:05:41 PM

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which is fine blushes...

I am happy with the view when some people keep the cats inside or like a friend of mine treat them with leaving lights on at night time if they aren't at home etc...

however one of my boys was homeless and he would rebell to be stuck inside forever now...On top of my 4 cats I am feeding since almost 3 years a cat where I think she is homeless (have no guarantee that this is the fact but considering how much she begs I am quite sure). I would have loved to take her on but she does not want to move in....she prefers to be outside...therefore she comes on a daily bases and asks for her food...most days she gets it (not, if I am on the rush to go out and I have no interest to feed the foxes).

However when my cats want to go out then they can go outside and I simply do the best I can do for emergency escapes for them...

I had quite a few cats as a kid who were run over by a car but at the same time I had cats who reached 14 years of age and died at the end on whatever cat illness...

With the measurements my potential partner thinks about he thinks they would be safe and if they would roam too far and test a rattle snake then well...then that would probably be it but I don't tie my cats onto the house when I know they will climb up the walls due to their desparation to go out and about (had that happening when I was briefly living directly on a main road 13 years ago as well as 2 family friends where they male cats went mental with just being inside and became much calmer once they moved and could go outside as well).

Apart from that IF it would not be a good solution I would re-thiink it as I said earlier...however, I don't do "what if's and what could" just out of "potential" possibilities

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RE: Cooking Fat - 2/7/2010 10:21:22 PM

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The statistics speak for themselves.

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RE: Cooking Fat - 2/7/2010 10:42:30 PM

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Which nobody disagreed to it...but that still does not mean that cats living environment has to change because of statistics...

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RE: Cooking Fat - 2/8/2010 12:46:08 AM

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To the OP, your cat could very well just be marking territory. Or, as mentioned, just letting your neighbor know what he/she thinks of them! Is the cat neutered or spayed? If it's not, it should be.....that may stop the behavior. Otherwise, get used to cleaning up after kitteh......or just don't let her out....cats do adapt....my KB was an outdoor barn kitten when I got him...he got used to the luxury of the indoors real fast!

As to the indoor vs outdoor debate...well, the cat we had growing up was an indoor/outdoor cat, and we lost her to a car one night. When my dad buried her, it was only the second time in my life I'd ever seen him cry...the first was when his mom died. After that, with the exception of one cat who was born in the wild, EVERY one of our cats has been an indoor cat, however, we have them all leash trained (as well as one can train a cat, anyway!) to go outside. I'm the only one who doesn't live in a rural area....everyone else has to watch out for hawks and dogs and other cats.....but I live in an area that is inundated with buzzards, owls, hawks and eagles...yes, eagles....just the other day, I was outside with two of mine, and we actually drew two buzzards that just happened to be passing by. They kept circling, gettting lower and lower the longer we were outside. Usually, when any large bird strikes and animal, it snaps it's back first thing, so you can pretty much bet that your furbaby is going to die a horrible, painful death.

Someone did mention a kennel.....I've used them while at my mom's house for the kittehs to spend time outside...they work great, no leashes to get tangled up in, and you don't have to be outside with them. They get the benefits of fresh air, grass and sunshine, without any threat to their well-being.

But it's great that you took the kitteh in....be prepared to be it's servant, butler, cook and bed warmer......welcome to the world of being owned!

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RE: Cooking Fat - 2/8/2010 5:01:25 AM

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Which nobody disagreed to it...but that still does not mean that cats living environment has to change because of statistics...

It does if you want to keep them safe.

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RE: Cooking Fat - 2/8/2010 6:04:57 AM

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The OP said he rescued the cat.

In many areas- - a spay is part of such a set up. Tho- we don't 100% know that.

I live in an average type of block in a small town. When I first inherited the cat- I was not too attached to her. But I am now. Other neighbors set out food and hold and pet the cats that come by. At first I viewed this as quaint- but I now see that leaving her out invites not only people who hate cats- but there could be a person who "has to have" my cat.

I do personally know someone who "took" someone elses cat.

I already told the neighbor I am close to that- the cat will not be out as much this year- and she knows I am attached.

My cat likes exploring the cellar or the attic- she likes to slum- as it were.

The plan- is to cut down as much as possible on her going out. Right now she is perched on a table eyeing the nice day outside. Tho she is also watching me on the computer.

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RE: Cooking Fat - 2/8/2010 9:12:47 AM

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I'm with Lafayettelady in that the cat has somehow associated the doormat with relieving itself. The material of it seems to be attracting it. Plus now the scent of it's last elimination on there is prompting it to come back and do it again. When I had trouble with a cat going to the bathroom outside of it's litter box the vet said to clean up wherever it went because if it smelled anything from the last time it would come back and do it again. You can't get the smell out of a material like that doormat, it's going to be soaked into it.

Perhaps purchase a nice doormat for the neighbor and bring it over with an apology and an explanation of what the cat has done. Otherwise I have the feeling that as long as the mat is out there the cat will use it.

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RE: Cooking Fat - 2/8/2010 9:15:26 AM

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or toss a condom on the door mat and complain about kids these days....

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RE: Cooking Fat - 2/8/2010 3:18:56 PM

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The OP said he rescued the cat.
At first I viewed this as quaint- but I now see that leaving her out invites not only people who hate cats- but there could be a person who "has to have" my cat.

LoL, that reminds me on one guy who offered twice to take on spicy, the previously homeless cat I took on...he offered it (well, he found out if there might be any chance to have him, e.g. in case I might want to have less cats as he knows I have four) when he lost his cats, before he took on 2 new furrys from the animal shelter...but I told him "not gonna to happen

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Now he recently asked if the person on the first floor might be moving out as that guy is not much here anymore and it would be convenient for him that his father or father in law could move so close to him...I told him that I don't know if that is the case but that I might move out of here in may and told him about potential plans to relocate (though I made sure he gets the point it is not decided yet).

And straight away he offered again to keep him, saying that he also gets on well with his two new cats when he visits him...its odd and nice at the same time that he offers it but at the end of the day I barely know him...so I don't trust my cat to him...

Spicy somehow managed to get more attention from the street than I personally prefer as quite a few people approached me with starting to talk about him...but I guess that this might still be linked from the days when he had to beg for food together with his mum (his mum and younger siblings got rehomed from my boss and a colleague after she gave birth in their conservatory) that he has less inhibitions to go to other peoples home...though I am aware about it does not have to be the case as another previous cat from me was exploring many other homes and in the end she shared her life between our house and the neighbour house and died in the neighbour house on broken heart 4 days after my other cat had died on cat HIV.

and blushes...I still prefer to leave my cats enjoying what they are doing and do what I can do to protect them in what they are doing.

I always disagreed to wrapping anyone into too much cotton wool, does not matter if human or animal.
Therefore I prefer to do what you can do within the natural environment.

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RE: Cooking Fat - 2/8/2010 3:25:19 PM

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Phoen, there are people who would pick up the cat and keep it.

I know a lady that did. She thought it was fair game.

meanwhile by the time it was figured out- where the cat was - there was enough to be used against the original owner.

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RE: Cooking Fat - 2/8/2010 4:22:52 PM

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Phoen, there are people who would pick up the cat and keep it.

I know a lady that did. She thought it was fair game.

meanwhile by the time it was figured out- where the cat was - there was enough to be used against the original owner.

I know a lady who does that with dogs and cats. I don't agree with it, but she does make sure the animals get good loving indoor homes.

It's wrong for her to do it, but the animals live long healthy lives. I just stay out of her way...she's kind of a nut. *lol*

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RE: Cooking Fat - 2/8/2010 4:28:11 PM

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My cat only goes outside on a harness and lead. It took some time to teach her to wear the harness but it was the only way she was getting out.

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RE: Cooking Fat - 2/8/2010 4:49:33 PM

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Phoen, there are people who would pick up the cat and keep it.

I know a lady that did. She thought it was fair game.

meanwhile by the time it was figured out- where the cat was - there was enough to be used against the original owner.

I know a lady who does that with dogs and cats. I don't agree with it, but she does make sure the animals get good loving indoor homes.

It's wrong for her to do it, but the animals live long healthy lives. I just stay out of her way...she's kind of a nut. *lol*

Bingo- there is one in every town. My cat has a collar- to denote- BUT that type- - well possession is 9/10 of the law.

Now that I am attached to my kitty-- I must lessen that risk.

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RE: Cooking Fat - 2/8/2010 5:20:21 PM

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Phoen, there are people who would pick up the cat and keep it.

I know a lady that did. She thought it was fair game.

meanwhile by the time it was figured out- where the cat was - there was enough to be used against the original owner.

I know a lady who does that with dogs and cats. I don't agree with it, but she does make sure the animals get good loving indoor homes.

It's wrong for her to do it, but the animals live long healthy lives. I just stay out of her way...she's kind of a nut. *lol*

Bingo- there is one in every town. My cat has a collar- to denote- BUT that type- - well possession is 9/10 of the law.

Now that I am attached to my kitty-- I must lessen that risk.

It's my Master's crazy ex. She's insane. She even stole the cages people put out to catch raccoons, so she could more easily catch stray (read off leash) pets.

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RE: Cooking Fat - 2/8/2010 6:30:00 PM

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I'm with Lafayettelady in that the cat has somehow associated the doormat with relieving itself. The material of it seems to be attracting it. Plus now the scent of it's last elimination on there is prompting it to come back and do it again. When I had trouble with a cat going to the bathroom outside of it's litter box the vet said to clean up wherever it went because if it smelled anything from the last time it would come back and do it again. You can't get the smell out of a material like that doormat, it's going to be soaked into it.

Perhaps purchase a nice doormat for the neighbor and bring it over with an apology and an explanation of what the cat has done. Otherwise I have the feeling that as long as the mat is out there the cat will use it.

I did purchase her a new doormat, and put it outside her door, me taking the manky one, as if my cat or another cat craps on the mat, I will just clean it up, it is one of the things about having a cat. But she came back and the next thing I knew was she had taken her mat back, there replacing mine, so next time I saw her, I told her I had done it, to save her stepping in a surprise one morning, but she said it's her mat and she wants it despite the fact it is the local cat toilet as I found out today, one of the other neighbour's cats had crapped on it too, I roared with laughter at that. So now it seems she has her mat back, but now it is resting vertically against the wall, not in place beneath her doorstep. The trouble is, this woman can be trouble, she is the local smiling knife and has caused problems for others before because of cats. Cat keepers here are the majority, in the road I live, there is 12 of them and no dogs.

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RE: Cooking Fat - 2/8/2010 7:20:15 PM

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she is the local smiling knife

I've never heard that expression before, what a great visual that gave me! Thanks for the new phrase.

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RE: Cooking Fat - 2/8/2010 7:32:35 PM

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I'm with Lafayettelady in that the cat has somehow associated the doormat with relieving itself. The material of it seems to be attracting it. Plus now the scent of it's last elimination on there is prompting it to come back and do it again. When I had trouble with a cat going to the bathroom outside of it's litter box the vet said to clean up wherever it went because if it smelled anything from the last time it would come back and do it again. You can't get the smell out of a material like that doormat, it's going to be soaked into it.

Perhaps purchase a nice doormat for the neighbor and bring it over with an apology and an explanation of what the cat has done. Otherwise I have the feeling that as long as the mat is out there the cat will use it.

I did purchase her a new doormat, and put it outside her door, me taking the manky one, as if my cat or another cat craps on the mat, I will just clean it up, it is one of the things about having a cat. But she came back and the next thing I knew was she had taken her mat back, there replacing mine, so next time I saw her, I told her I had done it, to save her stepping in a surprise one morning, but she said it's her mat and she wants it despite the fact it is the local cat toilet as I found out today, one of the other neighbour's cats had crapped on it too, I roared with laughter at that. So now it seems she has her mat back, but now it is resting vertically against the wall, not in place beneath her doorstep. The trouble is, this woman can be trouble, she is the local smiling knife and has caused problems for others before because of cats. Cat keepers here are the majority, in the road I live, there is 12 of them and no dogs.

Ok, that's just weird that she wanted the disgusting mat back. I'm sure I'd want something back afer a cat has eliminated on it

From your description of her I'm wondering if she has something she wants to do with it to the cats or something. That's hilarious that the other cats are using it as well- you do have to almost wonder if the animals have a personal opinion of her that they are commenting on given how she's got a vendetta against the cats in your area.

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