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AquaticSub -> RE: What do you think: was this a scam attempt? (2/10/2010 1:09:52 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: chase4647

Yeah you're right, as were all of the other ones. In reponse to several people: I was very upfront in all of my contacts through CM that I was married. As for how I deal with my wife, she "knows" about me in general, and told me that I can explore, as long as I don't tell her about it. That's what I am doing. I'd like to share all of this with her -- she is my companion and best friend -- but in order to protect her feelings I can't.



Fair enough athough, quite seriously, I think you should have another chat with her regarding money. If you are going to be sending money off to people, you might want to have "chase's playtime" line in your family budget so that she knows where the money is going and how much. It doesn't sound like she is thrilled with that you are going and not being able to find large amounts of money probably won't help.

I realize that isn't what you are asking about but I do feel compelled to put it out there. Also, I do think you were probably being scammed. And a word to the wise... the fact that you can't be honest with your wife about it may open you up to being scammed through no fault of your own.

There are a lot of people who just don't want to be involved with someone who says they are married but their wife doesn't want to know. The odds are just too good that the wife doesn't actually know what the guy is up to at all.

Which cuts out a group of honest people so that you have a smaller pool of honest BDSMers and the scammers that everyone has to deal with and dodge.




chase4647 -> RE: What do you think: was this a scam attempt? (2/10/2010 1:10:11 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

quote:

ORIGINAL: chase4647


Good advice, I'll follow it. One possibility is that he was BOTH interested in my money and in me. Oh, well, I'll never find out.




Unlikely. But if he was interested in you... how were you going to explain the trip to your wife or were you scamming the guy?



On explaining the trip to my wife:
Either I would be divorced by that time (that's why I told him it might take two years), would have come clean with my wife, and there would be no explanation needed; or: as it turns out I have to be in a country nearby for business and could visit without my wife knowing -- see previous post in which I explain how I deal with my wife.

On scamming him:
I don't think so. I was sincerely making plans to visit, as early as this August (when my business trip happens).




AquaticSub -> RE: What do you think: was this a scam attempt? (2/10/2010 1:12:32 PM)

Wait... I'm confused now...

Are you planning to divorce your wife - I thought she was your best friend? What do you mean come clean? I thought you just said that she knows but doesn't want the details.




chase4647 -> RE: What do you think: was this a scam attempt? (2/10/2010 1:19:43 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

Fair enough athough, quite seriously, I think you should have another chat with her regarding money. If you are going to be sending money off to people, you might want to have "chase's playtime" line in your family budget so that she knows where the money is going and how much. It doesn't sound like she is thrilled with that you are going and not being able to find large amounts of money probably won't help.



My wife and I have a budget -- even though I'm the one who manages the budget I make a point of reporting to her about it, and would feel bad lying about it. So here's what I came up with about the $200: I would save on my lunch money. I would literally eat less each lunch (yogurt and oranges instead of going out), so that at the end of the year all of the $200 came from my lunch. Technically of course I would still be lyng to my wife, but not really, because it's understood between us that I can do whatever I want with any remaining lunch money - in the past I blew it in bookstores for example and certainly did not feel the need to account for that to her. PLUS, doing it this way would have a huge gain: I would be telling to my Master (he wanted me to keep a journal) that I ate less today so that I could send him the money -- a huge turn on, as this would be real sacrifice that I would be offering daily to my Master, but only of course if he was for real.

Thanks for the advice.




Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: What do you think: was this a scam attempt? (2/10/2010 1:23:59 PM)

Scam <---- the shortest response I've ever posted




Lucienne -> RE: What do you think: was this a scam attempt? (2/10/2010 1:28:49 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: chase4647
(I'm married and at least for now don't want my wife to know any of this),


Fast Reply without read through.

Stopped reading right there, actually. Just wanted to record my anticipation that this will be an entertaining thread.


Back to reading.




chase4647 -> RE: What do you think: was this a scam attempt? (2/10/2010 1:31:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

Wait... I'm confused now...

Are you planning to divorce your wife - I thought she was your best friend? What do you mean come clean? I thought you just said that she knows but doesn't want the details.


Yes she is my best friend by far, but I'm completely gay, therefore I can't satisfy her, and she me, and if it weren't for the kids (yes there are kids involved) we would be divorced a long time ago. My ideal relationship with her would be precisely that: be the best of friends who would care for each other and support each other but would be completely free to pursue other people without sneaking around -- which is what I'm doing now. So to answer your questions:

- I am not _planning_ do divorce my wife -- really need to think how hurt the kids would be with that even if she would not. But I'm certainly _considering_ it.

- Well she knows in general but knows nothing else. It still makes me feel sufficiently bad that if I could do it in the open (say after an amicable divorce) the term "coming clean" does not seem inapproprate.




chase4647 -> RE: What do you think: was this a scam attempt? (2/10/2010 1:33:50 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucienne

Stopped reading right there, actually. Just wanted to record my anticipation that this will be an entertaining thread.



So far, no complains lol




LadyPact -> RE: What do you think: was this a scam attempt? (2/10/2010 1:40:26 PM)

Ok, let Me get this right.  You are lying to your supposed 'best friend' about what you do.  (I must be the only one on the planet that believes you should be able to tell a best friend what's important.)  So, you have a habit of not exactly be truthful or leaving out 'details' about the whys and hows that you live your life. 

Now, you're coming online to ask others if people on the net lie to get their wants (in this case, money) met.

If I have that part right, I have two questions for you:

1.  If you're gay, don't you think you have a long standing record of deception to your 'best friend'?

2.  Why do you think that other people on the net have to have a higher level of honesty than you have going on in your life right now?



Have the decency to either divorce the woman or be faithful to her.




dreamerdreaming -> RE: What do you think: was this a scam attempt? (2/10/2010 1:43:02 PM)

Are you seriously asking this question? [8|]

He was trying to take whatever money he could get, from you. When the possibility dried up, so did he. Duh.
 
[sm=Groaner.gif]
 
Good lord. Get some common sense, man.


(Edited after reading further)




Lucienne -> RE: What do you think: was this a scam attempt? (2/10/2010 1:46:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: chase4647

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucienne

Stopped reading right there, actually. Just wanted to record my anticipation that this will be an entertaining thread.



So far, no complains lol


Well I have a complaint. You're kind of fucked up but you're being honest enough about it that no one has shredded you yet. Harumph!

Leaving me feeling obligated to offer a sincere response. Perhaps not a scam, as much as a test. The sort of test you should want to fail. If I may be (I certainly can be) presumptuous enough to offer advice, it sounds like you need to back up a bit. There's way too much distance and self-exploration between where you are at now and the place where you are a gay "slave" to a man you love. Waaaay too much. Take a deep breath. Don't go looking for love. Take some time to acclimate. Stick your toe in the pool of power exchange before deciding you want to be a "slave."

Also, someone else said you named yourself after the bank, but I prefer to imagine you named yourself after Chase Daniels.




Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: What do you think: was this a scam attempt? (2/10/2010 1:47:19 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: chase4647
What do you think: was this a scam attempt? What probability would you attach to that: 100%, 50%.

100% <------ This is the highest I've ever given on any thread.




Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: What do you think: was this a scam attempt? (2/10/2010 2:08:12 PM)

Here's a link for you.

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/internet-dating-scams.shtml




chase4647 -> RE: What do you think: was this a scam attempt? (2/10/2010 2:08:13 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucienne

quote:

ORIGINAL: chase4647

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucienne

Stopped reading right there, actually. Just wanted to record my anticipation that this will be an entertaining thread.



So far, no complains lol


Well I have a complaint. You're kind of fucked up but you're being honest enough about it that no one has shredded you yet. Harumph!

Leaving me feeling obligated to offer a sincere response. Perhaps not a scam, as much as a test. The sort of test you should want to fail. If I may be (I certainly can be) presumptuous enough to offer advice, it sounds like you need to back up a bit. There's way too much distance and self-exploration between where you are at now and the place where you are a gay "slave" to a man you love. Waaaay too much. Take a deep breath. Don't go looking for love. Take some time to acclimate. Stick your toe in the pool of power exchange before deciding you want to be a "slave."

Also, someone else said you named yourself after the bank, but I prefer to imagine you named yourself after Chase Daniels.




I think I'm less fucked up than I sound. But maybe I'm wrong. Actually I think you're totally right: of course I need to step back and take a deep breath. Thanks for caring enough (and all the others) to write some advice.


By the way I just had the following IM exchange which I edit just to omit names, and which is quite a propos. Note that since I advertised as a "switch" I got replies from subs (and yeah, I'm fucked up enough that right now I don't know that's NOT what I want). This is the second IM with this guy. Pay especial attention to the end LOL


JUST FOR THE RECORD: after Lucienne's advice AND this IM I am NO LONGER LOOKING. I may hang around to explore the lifestyle (then again, maybe not), but my profile should reflect that I'm not looking.


: Hello Master
chase4647: sorry no time
chase4647: but i will write soon
: o.k Master
chase4647: hi [name]
: Hi Master
chase4647: you dont need to call me master
chase4647: im not your master yet
: ok sir
chase4647: no not sir either :)
chase4647: just call me victor
: o.k victor
: how are u doing today?
chase4647: i forgot if i already told you that i am married and have kids
: how is work?
chase4647: did i tell you that?
: no u didnt
: how many kids?
chase4647: 2: 10 yo boy and 8 yo girl
chase4647: is this a problem for you?
: no
: i love kids too
: but gotten no one yet
chase4647: what about the fact that I'm married?
chase4647: is that a problem?
: is not a problem if only u can do ur obligations to both parties
chase4647: yeah, that is the part that I'm not sure -- i'm new to this and still learning
chase4647: i still don't quite know how to do everything
chase4647: if the kids were older i think i would ask my wife for an amicable divorce
: you will have to treat me like a slave
chase4647: but at these ages they would urt too much to see us separate
: provide all i need to serve u better
chase4647: well, let me think about this
chase4647: and you shold think about it too
: o.k no problem
chase4647: did you find someone who wants to be your 24/7 master?
: no yet
chase4647: if you did I would go with him rather than me -- with me it's complicated
: oh o.k no problem
chase4647: how many masters have you talked with?
: are u quiting now
: thats o.k i unds.
chase4647: no im not quitting
chase4647: we can talk about becoming your master
chase4647: but i just wanted to be clear about my life and my constraints
chase4647: this way I'm not cheating you
: o.k Victor
chase4647: you are the one that should quit if this is too complicated for you
: I dont ask for much monthly
: do u think its expensive to own a slave victor
chase4647: what do you ask?
: I ask for 450usd as i am new and also willingly to have one master
chase4647: ok NOW i am quitting
chase4647: good luck
: o.k TY




juliaoceania -> RE: What do you think: was this a scam attempt? (2/10/2010 2:41:09 PM)

edited because I saw I needed to read more posts




xxblushesxx -> RE: What do you think: was this a scam attempt? (2/10/2010 2:41:46 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: chase4647

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucienne

quote:

ORIGINAL: chase4647

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucienne

Stopped reading right there, actually. Just wanted to record my anticipation that this will be an entertaining thread.



So far, no complains lol


Well I have a complaint. You're kind of fucked up but you're being honest enough about it that no one has shredded you yet. Harumph!

Leaving me feeling obligated to offer a sincere response. Perhaps not a scam, as much as a test. The sort of test you should want to fail. If I may be (I certainly can be) presumptuous enough to offer advice, it sounds like you need to back up a bit. There's way too much distance and self-exploration between where you are at now and the place where you are a gay "slave" to a man you love. Waaaay too much. Take a deep breath. Don't go looking for love. Take some time to acclimate. Stick your toe in the pool of power exchange before deciding you want to be a "slave."

Also, someone else said you named yourself after the bank, but I prefer to imagine you named yourself after Chase Daniels.




I think I'm less fucked up than I sound. But maybe I'm wrong. Actually I think you're totally right: of course I need to step back and take a deep breath. Thanks for caring enough (and all the others) to write some advice.


By the way I just had the following IM exchange which I edit just to omit names, and which is quite a propos. Note that since I advertised as a "switch" I got replies from subs (and yeah, I'm fucked up enough that right now I don't know that's NOT what I want). This is the second IM with this guy. Pay especial attention to the end LOL


JUST FOR THE RECORD: after Lucienne's advice AND this IM I am NO LONGER LOOKING. I may hang around to explore the lifestyle (then again, maybe not), but my profile should reflect that I'm not looking.


: Hello Master
chase4647: sorry no time
chase4647: but i will write soon
: o.k Master
chase4647: hi [name]
: Hi Master
chase4647: you dont need to call me master
chase4647: im not your master yet
: ok sir
chase4647: no not sir either :)
chase4647: just call me victor
: o.k victor
: how are u doing today?
chase4647: i forgot if i already told you that i am married and have kids
: how is work?
chase4647: did i tell you that?
: no u didnt
: how many kids?
chase4647: 2: 10 yo boy and 8 yo girl
chase4647: is this a problem for you?
: no
: i love kids too
: but gotten no one yet
chase4647: what about the fact that I'm married?
chase4647: is that a problem?
: is not a problem if only u can do ur obligations to both parties
chase4647: yeah, that is the part that I'm not sure -- i'm new to this and still learning
chase4647: i still don't quite know how to do everything
chase4647: if the kids were older i think i would ask my wife for an amicable divorce
: you will have to treat me like a slave
chase4647: but at these ages they would urt too much to see us separate
: provide all i need to serve u better
chase4647: well, let me think about this
chase4647: and you shold think about it too
: o.k no problem
chase4647: did you find someone who wants to be your 24/7 master?
: no yet
chase4647: if you did I would go with him rather than me -- with me it's complicated
: oh o.k no problem
chase4647: how many masters have you talked with?
: are u quiting now
: thats o.k i unds.
chase4647: no im not quitting
chase4647: we can talk about becoming your master
chase4647: but i just wanted to be clear about my life and my constraints
chase4647: this way I'm not cheating you
: o.k Victor
chase4647: you are the one that should quit if this is too complicated for you
: I dont ask for much monthly
: do u think its expensive to own a slave victor
chase4647: what do you ask?
: I ask for 450usd as i am new and also willingly to have one master
chase4647: ok NOW i am quitting
chase4647: good luck
: o.k TY


It's not the lifestyle, it's the internet. People see men who are searching (and women in different ways) as easy marks.




HisEvelyn -> RE: What do you think: was this a scam attempt? (2/10/2010 2:46:02 PM)

Sooo... does this mean I can ask my Master to give me $450 a month just for being his good girl? :)  Psh, he never told me that!!! LOL

Seriously though... I am new to the lifestyle myself.  But from what I have gathered on this website and from talking to people?  Unless we're talking a tribute to a Domme on occasion?  It's pretty rare for money to be a part of the dynamic.  It's about personality meshing and compatibility.  Just like any vanilla relationship.  I think this person you were talking to in that IM was... very misinformed, if not a complete gold digger.

I know there are pro-dom/dommes out there.  Are there pro-slaves too?  People that do 24/7 submission... like a job?  Just throwing in a little question of my own.  Because for all I know, maybe they do!




stella41b -> RE: What do you think: was this a scam attempt? (2/10/2010 2:56:40 PM)

I'm with LadyPact here and can't help thinking that you're living a terribly complicated life of your own making which isn't going to bring anything meaningful to anyone, not to you, not to your wife, not to any potential dom you are likely to meet.

I write here from my own experience. I'm transgendered, but I was also married. My wife knew all about my gender issues - as far as I was aware of them - before we got married. When the truth came out and changed my awareness I accepted that this changed my relationship with my wife, who like your wife knew but didn't want anything to do with it, and just like you, we shared (and still share) a good friendship, and I went for a no faults divorce. At the time I was getting to know a domme who waited, and kept me waiting - over a year - before developing our relationship.

What is the big issue here? Is it the fact that you are gay? Are you ashamed of being gay? Or is it more convenient being married?

You mention not hurting the kids, but I'm sorry, from what I can see you're either living in denial or deceiving yourself and others, and through that deceit hurting those around you not to mention yourself. Kids notice things, often much more than you realize and they're usually far better at noticing deception than most adults.

The way I see it there's no such thing as kumbaya here, not anywhere in this community, nor in the gay community, nor anywhere else whether it be offline or online. Yes there are kind souls out there, altruistic types who may appear much more understanding, kinder than the faces of the strangers you come across but these are people who are quite choosy over with whom they share their altruism.

Far more likely - because everyone else is going to perceive you a little differently than you perceive yourself, and much more so if you are in denial or deceiving yourself - is that your issues stick out like a sore thumb which is going to completely rule out any hopes you've got of any sort of meaningful or worthwhile relationship, because the only people you're going to come across are people who are either going to feed off your issues or exploit you and them for all that they're worth.

There's a French proverb here - 'It's easier to lie to others than to stop deceiving yourself.' I think this is quite apt in what you have presented.

Therefore what I suggest first and foremost is to cut the crap and the bullshit and start facing up to the reality of who you are and working to develop an honest, satisfactory relationship with yourself that you are happy with before you start involving or bringing anyone else into the drama.

Stop deceiving yourself and learn to accept you for who you are in reality. Accept that you are gay, embrace the fact and start living your life honestly. You don't have to come out, you don't have to make declarations and I certainly would advise you against coming out during the time when you are isolated and vulnerable - which you probably will be for some amount of time because the next thing I'm going to suggest is that you face facts and divorce your wife and embrace living honestly without deception with regard to her and the kids. Sort out the mess with your current relationship, i.e. your marriage and your relationship with your kids, and then - and only then - start thinking in terms of entering into another relationship.

Instead of relationships I'd stick to friendships for now until you get your life together.

Life is short, very short. With each passing day, week, month, year time passes quicker, life gets even shorter and some of the opportunities which come and go now are probably never going to come back. But you in your present circumstances are never going to get anywhere near those opportunities, for all you're doing is struggling to avoid getting yourself into an even more vulnerable situation where you can be exploited even further. And you realistically believe you're ever going to be happy in those circumstances? Are these going to be the memories you're going to enjoy one day lying on your death bed?

No? Well then sort yourself out, sort your life out, and start developing much more meaningful, satisfying and fulfilling relationships. Because at the end of the day, this is what life is really about.




kiwisub12 -> RE: What do you think: was this a scam attempt? (2/10/2010 3:13:39 PM)

Amen sister!!!!!





RedMagic1 -> RE: What do you think: was this a scam attempt? (2/10/2010 3:30:31 PM)

Chase, as long as you are running a scam, you will fall prey to scam artists.

It's not "karma," but a question of life-understanding.  People who think there are shortcuts, or easy answers, to the very difficult questions of life, are more willing to believe that the quick-fix solution scammers offer might in fact be true.

Step number one has to be: stop lying to yourself, and stop lying to your wife.




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