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RE: No limit slaves - 3/29/2006 7:03:38 PM   
Temji


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'We're talking about whether a slave will do everything his or her master commands.  That's all we're talking about it.  Maybe you've never met anyone like that, but they exist. '

indeed they do... I have one... all the discussion about 'limits' occurred BEFORE I chose to ko lar her... she clearly understood that My limits became hers at that moment... and that when those two subsets of limits no longer coincide, she chooses to no longer be Mine. UNTIL that point... she will in fact do as I tell her in the manner she has been instructed. Doing less is disHonoring both My commitment and hers...

be well,

Temji

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RE: No limit slaves - 3/29/2006 7:21:10 PM   
BitaTruble


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everybody has limits


That's the difference between us, Dorsa. You are speaking for the 6 billion+ people on the planet.. and I speak only for myself.

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RE: No limit slaves - 3/29/2006 10:23:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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everybody has limits


That's the difference between us, Dorsa. You are speaking for the 6 billion+ people on the planet.. and I speak only for myself.

Celeste


Damn, Celeste, you have a lot more stamina than i do.  i gave up on this far earlier.  It's an unresolveable argument, in my opinion.  Here's my summary:

* Most everyone is in agreement that someone advertising they have no limits to anyone (as in a generic statement in a profile), is probably inaccurate.

* Those of us who actually have no limits to our owners....well, we have no limits to our owners, but we do not begrudge, look down upon or think less than anyone who does have limits.

* Those who have decided  it is impossible for us to have no limits to our owners (even though we're the ones who are actually in our relationships) will probably not be convinced otherwise.

* People, in any walk of life, in any belief system, will either choose to be flippant and insulting (i'm thinking of the "oh look at me, i'm better than everyone" comment), or will choose to try to engage in healthy dialogue, or somewhere in the middle.

At this point, i'd rather talk religeon or politics. (okay not really).


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RE: No limit slaves - 3/29/2006 11:40:23 PM   
dorsaisgirl1


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Status: offline 		thats right everybody has limits its part of the human condition and has nothing to do with how devoted you are this is a statement of fact a fact that even most kids know human beings have limits the fact that you are so offended by my saying that everybody has limits stems from a preceved notion in your head that i order to be a slave you must have no limits.i'm tired of argueing with you being a slave dose not make you any less human or any less supseptable to the limitaions that we all must face everyones limits are different but they are still there

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RE: No limit slaves - 3/30/2006 12:09:42 AM   
NeedToUseYou


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ORIGINAL: dorsaisgirl1

thats right everybody has limits its part of the human condition and has nothing to do with how devoted you are this is a statement of fact a fact that even most kids know human beings have limits the fact that you are so offended by my saying that everybody has limits stems from a preceved notion in your head that i order to be a slave you must have no limits.i'm tired of argueing with you being a slave dose not make you any less human or any less supseptable to the limitaions that we all must face everyones limits are different but they are still there


I think the confrontation is occuring because it seems you are using No limits to mean they're saying "I have no limits and will do whatever my master ask, I'll lift a train,  fly, or whatever". No one is saying they don't have personal limits on the abilities they possess. No one is saying they can do everything. What they are saying is they will try to do what ever they are asked to do by there master. As in they have no SELF-IMPOSED limits. In other words they will try to do whatever the master asks but not necessarily succeed, as the laws of physics and human physiology is a immutable limit.

So, you are correct a No Limits slave does not exist, in term of No Limits on abilities and capabilities.

But, incorrect, in my opinion, in that I'm sure the no limits posters would do anything they are capable of doing  that the master asked them to do.

Odd that this isn't accepted, true religious zealots have no limits in there devotion  to the God they've chosen. I'd think this would be readily evident from suicide bombers, and the like. History is riddled with such people. I don't know anyway to confirm the existant of no-limits mentality beyond the act of taking ones life in devotion (at least in there head) to the greatest master of them all.  

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RE: No limit slaves - 3/30/2006 12:15:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: dorsaisgirl1

the fact that you are so offended by my saying that everybody has limits stems from a preceved notion in your head that i order to be a slave you must have no limits.i'm tired of argueing with you being a slave dose not make you any less human or any less supseptable to the limitaions that we all must face everyones limits are different but they are still there


1.  i am not offended by anything you say.
2. i never once said in order to be a slave one must have no limits.  Reread the post you just replied to.   "...but we do not begrudge, look down upon or think less than anyone who does have limits. "
3. You & i never exchanged posts, so i'm not sure how you can be tired of arguing with me.



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RE: No limit slaves - 3/30/2006 12:27:22 AM   
dorsaisgirl1


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Status: offline 		people try to atain perfection but they can not sucsead of course they still try . i can agree to the part about self imposed limits.but still to me a person saying they have no limitations is akine to saying i have reached perfection witch no one has people may try

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RE: No limit slaves - 3/30/2006 12:40:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: dorsaisgirl1

people try to atain perfection but they can not sucsead of course they still try . i can agree to the part about self imposed limits.but still to me a person saying they have no limitations is akine to saying i have reached perfection witch no one has people may try


Technically it's a misuse of No-Limits. As in to be literally correct it would be No Self-Imposed Limits Slave. But that's the way people use the term, so just insert self-imposed whenever you see the term and you'll probably be on the same page as the person saying it.  

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RE: No limit slaves - 3/30/2006 6:09:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: dorsaisgirl1

people try to atain perfection but they can not sucsead of course they still try . i can agree to the part about self imposed limits.but still to me a person saying they have no limitations is akine to saying i have reached perfection witch no one has people may try

This is rather off topic abit, but I just wanted to to point something you keep saying out, dorsaisgirl. You say here (and I believe in other places as well) that no one can achieve perfection. Do you know what the definition of perfection is? It has a couple. One is "Lacking nothing essential to the whole; complete of its nature or kind". Another is " Completely suited for a particular purpose or situation: She was the perfect actress for the part". From what you're saying, no one can be perfect for someone else. That may be the case between you and your Master, which is fine and something you seem to have accepted as well as he. But by definition, the opposite seems to be true. You can't sit at your computer and tell me that my slave(s) is/are not perfect for me. You don't know me or my girl(s) from adam and eve(s). Ok, you can (and have), but you're wrong to try and apply your thinking to anyone other then yourself.

This brings me to my other point, that perfection is subjective. What may be perfect to me, my be flawed to another. But you have no right to try to impose your view on anyone else.

With this being said, I will return you to your regularly schedualed bitching session.


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RE: No limit slaves - 3/30/2006 6:28:00 AM   
Mercnbeth


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Status: offline 		Here's a thought that beth had this morning. A "no-limits" slave is redundant expression. Any limit would indicate submission instead of slavery.

Interesting....

CPR for the "dead" horse?

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RE: No limit slaves - 3/30/2006 7:22:41 AM   
ownedgirlie


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RE: No limit slaves - 3/30/2006 10:03:59 AM   
dorsaisgirl1


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Status: offline 		i have heard people hear say that if there masters did not have there best intrests at hart if they coused you damage that the relationship would be over if the trust you have was misused there for you do have limits they just go unsaid with the beleif that the op understands this or you have discused them befor hand still they are limits but its true i am beating a dead horse

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RE: No limit slaves - 3/30/2006 10:37:49 AM   
dorsaisgirl1


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Status: offline 		to Mr Discipline i see your point and it makes sence to me perfection like beauty is in the eye of the beholder. i am sorry that i have made the generalisation also i am sorry for takeing no limits in its litteral terms though to me its like saying the sky is pink when all you have to do is look up to see its blue i understand that they do not mean  litterly no limits.

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RE: No limit slaves - 4/18/2006 7:52:42 AM   
Dustee


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ORIGINAL: Halcyone
I've always read "no-limit slave" as "slave that comes to adopt the owner's limits". As a relationship progresses and the people involved become closer, it's natural for lines to blur. Sometimes, eventually, a slave or submissive becomes willing to set aside their limits for those chosen by their owner. But I feel it's silly to demand this immediately from someone you hardly know. It's difficult enough to manage with someone you've known for awhile and trust.


For a lot of us, this is indeed the case. Or, as another poster said, some submissives, even experienced ones, do not know their limits yet, because they've never been pushed to extremes. 

It can be quite annoying for a submissive who thinks of "no limits" in terms of "your limits" or I don't know to run into a stupid and facecious dominant who, imagining him- or herself to be clever, immediately demands horrific or impossible things that they would not ever be willing in real like to make a slave do, just to "prove" an idea that was obvious in the first place. Examples of this silliness abound in this thread. If a dominant wrote me with that sort of unrealistic and dishonest challenge, I'd be curious to see if they were willing to put their money where their mouth is, and probably express a strong interest in meeting them immediately to perform together whatever outrageous act they'd come up with. Of course, they'd have to be there with me, observing and/or participating all the way to demonstrate to me their commitment to really wanting this from me and not just blabbing the usual online BS that means nothing. The verbal backpedalling  would be amusing to watch, although most would simply head for the hills, I suspect. ;)

The idea that anybody means "no limits" to include tit-slicing (that's how this argument used to be termed back in thee bad old usenet days), leg sawing, bank-robbing or other outrageous deeds and the scornful feelings toward "no limits subs" that accompany this concept are very primitive ones and indicates a sort of unimaginative and not very bright mentality that a submissive would do well to steer clear of.  Intelligent and emotionally mature dominants understand do not attempt to play malicious and childish mindgames with you.  Nor do they lie and claim they want you to do something that in real life they would never actually want anybody they owned or controlled to do.

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RE: No limit slaves - 4/18/2006 11:32:45 AM   
OhioSissyBoi


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Status: offline 		I have been searching for the right Mistress.   When I find her, I will have no limite with her.

The key is finding the "right" mistress.  Of course, I will be selective and choose one that I know will have the same values that I want to serve.

I hope this makes sence.

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RE: No limit slaves - 4/19/2006 12:26:48 PM   
HayaSierra


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ORIGINAL: swellslave

Can one be a no-limit slave if it only surrenders to the total will of a female dominant???


Good point, which is why I make a big deal in my application process that in my House there is such a thing as "Transferable Authority", this means I can transfer my Authority to an Elder or an Overseer that I choose -- including a male. This means I still own them, but if I tell one of the individuals who have been there a while to make sure the Grounds are properly cared for each and every week -- then they have to listen to that individual as well.

Many do not like to hear that, those that can accept that being a part of the way I run my household I will work with.

Haya Sierra --- 

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RE: No limit slaves - 4/19/2006 1:02:27 PM   
HayaSierra


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ORIGINAL: subtoFemDommes

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ORIGINAL: SimplyV
I start thinking of "limits" that this "no limits" person probably has..  like.. Amputations, Death.. Then I start getting creative..

Like..
<snip> "You will be forced to work a suit and tie deskjob at least 60 hours a week"


Alright, i think the "real" sadist around here has been revealed!  Geeze, is there no decency?


Heh...now here is a hard limit for most people.

I'd have to ask mine about it, but I know from at least 3 of them already that they would not hesitate and follow that order, just as any others of mine, because they have already stated they would work any and all job(s) that I would order them to do.  Of course I always look for betterment in regards to the situations of all of my slaves -- because after all, as many stated, I invest a lot of time and effort into making one exactly the way I want them to be, I might as well make them the best they can be. 

And this is the very same reason why I would never ask one of them to have a limb chopped off. By heaven's no -- it's not only a challange to find a good slave, but an even larger challange to train him or her to be a good Hanian slave. I'm strict, I'm efficient, but I'm not stupid :P.

Haya Sierra --- 



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RE: No limit slaves - 4/19/2006 1:30:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
I'd disobey for a lot of people's good.  Let's say my master told me to sit and be quiet outside a cafe one day.  I could see a robber and be able to shout to someone to watch out or get help or run to a nearby police person.



If i did that i would be obeying the command to have common sense.  ;)

On the flip side, one night my Master was talking to me and said "Stand there." as he had me stand by the bed while he lay down to talk.  In the course of talking, he fell asleep....and did not wake up until morning...and saw me standing there. 



I agree with both of you.

LuckyAlbatross for having common sense, when a slave's actions will save life / lives, then protocol takes the second place to that.

ownedgirlie for having complete obedience and dedication. I respect both you and your master in this case, and that is exactly the type of thing I'm talking about. Uncomfortable yes. Perhaps not even planned by the Owner. Showing complete devotion and obedience, as well as a great amount of discipline -- YES, definately.

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RE: No limit slaves - 4/20/2006 11:29:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: HayaSierra

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
I'd disobey for a lot of people's good.  Let's say my master told me to sit and be quiet outside a cafe one day.  I could see a robber and be able to shout to someone to watch out or get help or run to a nearby police person.



If i did that i would be obeying the command to have common sense.  ;)

On the flip side, one night my Master was talking to me and said "Stand there." as he had me stand by the bed while he lay down to talk.  In the course of talking, he fell asleep....and did not wake up until morning...and saw me standing there. 



I agree with both of you.

LuckyAlbatross for having common sense, when a slave's actions will save life / lives, then protocol takes the second place to that.

ownedgirlie for having complete obedience and dedication. I respect both you and your master in this case, and that is exactly the type of thing I'm talking about. Uncomfortable yes. Perhaps not even planned by the Owner. Showing complete devotion and obedience, as well as a great amount of discipline -- YES, definately.

Haya Sierra --- 



Funny, i just experienced the need to disobey due to an emergency.  Just the other night my mom called, in a panic, gasping at me to come over, now, and call 911, there was a situation with my father.  i received this call in the middle of writing a report for my Master, which was due that night.

i called 911, hopped in the car, and met my parents at the hospital.  Left Master a voicemail on the way.  Spent the entire night at the hospital.  When i came home at 6am to change, brush my teeth and gather some of my belongings (needed to go back to hospital), i stopped for an hour to finish his report.  i needed to.  It gave me solace to write, and to finish what was requested.  And knowing other family was with my dad in that hour, and that his short term situation was not life-critical, i knew it was okay.  i think no one in their right mind would say "i can't go to the hospital; i have a report due."

There are ways of juggling.  There are ways of obeying in the best way possible under circumstances. And that is what my Master requires. Was i punished for disobedience?  Hell no.  If my reasons for being late on the report were for something else - say i was too tired and decided to go to bed - He would have had something to say about that.  Common sense goes a long way. 

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RE: No limit slaves - 4/20/2006 11:31:03 AM   
IndigoDadesi


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Status: offline 		Next time you see a "no limit" profile ask them if they're into amputation and death. Then see if they really have "no limits"

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