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bill to register "non-gun-owners" - 2/11/2010 7:44:05 PM   
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Vermont State Rep. Fred Maslack has read the Second Amendment to the U.S.
Constitution, as well as Vermont 's own Constitution very carefully, and
his strict interpretation of these documents is popping some eyeballs in New
England and elsewhere.

Maslack recently proposed a bill to register "non-gun-owners" and require
them to pay a $500 fee to the state.
Thus Vermont would become the first state to require a permit for the luxury of going about unarmed and assess a
fee of $500 for the privilege of not owning a gun/snip

http://www.resistnet.com/profiles/blogs/a-novel-idea-register-nongun
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RE: bill to register "non-gun-owners" - 2/11/2010 7:50:03 PM   
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LOL.. good luck on that one. I read the article, and he is an idiot.

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Maslack read the "militia" phrase of the Second Amendment as not only affirming the right of the individual citizen to bear arms, but as a clear
mandate to do so.
He believes that universal gun ownership was advocated by the Framers of the Constitution as an antidote to a "monopoly of force" by
the government as well as criminals

Vermont 's constitution states explicitly that "the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and the State" and those persons
who are "conscientiously scrupulous of bearing arms" shall be required to "pay such equivalent." Clearly, says Maslack, Vermonters have a
constitutional obligation to arm themselves, so that they are capable of responding to "any situation that may arise."

Under the bill, adults who choose not to own a firearm would be required
to register their name, address, Social Security Number, and driver's
license number with the state.
"There is a legitimate government interest in knowing who is not prepared to defend the state should they be asked to do
so," Maslack says



your link

it should be interesting!

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RE: bill to register "non-gun-owners" - 2/11/2010 7:51:14 PM   
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Hold on a moment.....here is a link that debunks this.

First, Maslak proposed this in 2000.

Second, he is no longer serving in the Vermont Legislature.



But other than that....


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RE: bill to register "non-gun-owners" - 2/11/2010 8:04:11 PM   
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Remember The Newhart Show when he and his wife bought a Vermont inn.

Remember Larry and his brother Daryl and his other brother Daryl?

Sounds to me like Rep. Maslack may be a close relative.


clip from second episode of Newhart






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RE: bill to register "non-gun-owners" - 2/11/2010 8:13:39 PM   
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This is not the first time. Switzerland had mandatory gun ownership, in that each household had to have a working firearm and at least one adult who knows how to use it. Not sure how it was enforced. Also there was a town in Texas with a similar rule. I'm not sure exactly what penalties were involved in either case, or if they were ever really enforced.

However this requires registration and a fee, might be called a fine but it boils down the same. I have to fall against such bills as they are at least as repugnant to the Constituion as gun control. In a way it is as bad as requiring payment by those who have no health insurance (a better analogy than intended actually).

There is one point with which I agree mostly :

"Maslack has also introduced a bill requiring compulsory military training as a prerequisite for a high school diploma in the state. "

Even if you don't want guns, and even if you think nobody else should have them either you should know how to at least treat them. To recognize the different types and know how to unload them, and I mean at the very least. In a way it is like not handing someone a knife pointy end first. But with a gun, just pointing it down is not good enough because you could shoot through the floor. Every person should be able to check and see if it is loaded or chambered, and if it is safe to handle.

Every gun that gets passed around my circle of people, usually for evaluation because it was a recent purchase, is scrutinized by each person to which it is handed. Each is expected to look down the breach or barrel or whatever for themselves, and they do. I wouldn't have it any other way. Accidents are caused.

T

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RE: bill to register "non-gun-owners" - 2/11/2010 8:22:29 PM   
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_stump!   from now on I am sticking with- Alex!

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RE: bill to register "non-gun-owners" - 2/11/2010 8:25:52 PM   
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GASP! You mean FORCE people to buy something whether they want to or not?

What are we, SOCIALISTS??????

Can't we just shoot these idiots?

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RE: bill to register "non-gun-owners" - 2/11/2010 8:41:55 PM   
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Forcing people to pay for health insurance... "bad".. "socialism"... "un-american"... "unconstitutional"

Forcing people to register because they dont own a gun, and forcing them to pay $500 because they dont.... is what? american???? constitutional???

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RE: bill to register "non-gun-owners" - 2/11/2010 8:44:01 PM   
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quote:

constitutional???
From the quotes of the Vermont Constitution it would appear to be so...interesting indeed.

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RE: bill to register "non-gun-owners" - 2/11/2010 8:47:39 PM   
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And when that was written... in 1793... im sure they felt that way. Its still the version in use. Neither were we taxed out our ears at that time either.

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RE: bill to register "non-gun-owners" - 2/11/2010 8:48:55 PM   
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RE: bill to register "non-gun-owners" - 2/11/2010 9:32:44 PM   
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"I own guns"

The word "guns" means "stuff that is easily stolen, easily pawned."

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RE: bill to register "non-gun-owners" - 2/11/2010 9:46:50 PM   
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When robbers hit my neighbor's house, that's exactly what they stole--his six rifles.

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RE: bill to register "non-gun-owners" - 2/11/2010 9:54:44 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Every gun that gets passed around my circle of people, usually for evaluation because it was a recent purchase, is scrutinized by each person to which it is handed. Each is expected to look down the breach or barrel or whatever for themselves, and they do. I wouldn't have it any other way. Accidents are caused.

T


We do the same around here, except with our women.
 
Some however, do occasionally discharge.
 
Be careful out there folks.

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RE: bill to register "non-gun-owners" - 2/11/2010 10:03:52 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: EbonyWood
We do the same around here, except with our women.
 
Some however, do occasionally discharge.
 
Be careful out there folks.


Takes it in for the win!

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RE: bill to register "non-gun-owners" - 2/11/2010 10:38:58 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: AnimusRex

"I own guns"

The word "guns" means "stuff that is easily stolen, easily pawned."


interesting!  You know I never thought to look that up, thanks.


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RE: bill to register "non-gun-owners" - 2/12/2010 3:55:42 AM   
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dude- a fine is not a product.  therefor the govt can impose it.

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RE: bill to register "non-gun-owners" - 2/12/2010 3:58:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Switzerland had mandatory gun ownership, in that each household had to have a working firearm and at least one adult who knows how to use it.



That is completely and utterly false.

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RE: bill to register "non-gun-owners" - 2/12/2010 4:30:36 AM   
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I personally believe that an armed society is a polite society.  But let's get our facts straight Termyn8or.

Try Kennesaw, Gerogia..  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1818862/posts 
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/16/opinion/16reynolds.html
Greenleaf is following in the footsteps of Kennesaw, Ga., which in 1982 passed a mandatory gun ownership law in response to a handgun ban passed in Morton Grove, Ill. Kennesaw’s crime dropped sharply, while Morton Grove’s did not.

In Switzerland:
Gun politics in Switzerland are unique in Europe. The personal weapon of militia personnel is kept at home as part of the military obligations. Switzerland has one of the highest militia gun ownership rates in the world.[1] In recent times political opposition has expressed a desire for tighter gun regulations.[2]
 


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RE: bill to register "non-gun-owners" - 2/12/2010 4:47:07 AM   
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Since only men have compulsory military service in Switzerland, it is only men of military age (up to the age of fifty, if memory serves me well) that have to keep their military-issued weapon at home.

Once their military duty terminates, they have to return the gun and ammunition to the military authorities.

There has been a number of incidents involving military-issued guns in recent years (including a spate of murders).

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