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RE: bill to register "non-gun-owners" - 2/12/2010 4:57:27 AM

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And Switzerland has one of the highest, if not the highest, incidence of gun crime involving legally held ordnance weapons per capita, in the world, with some 300 deaths per year.

The obligatory gun in the house for 30 years helps escalate domestic violence and suicide pretty effectively.

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RE: bill to register "non-gun-owners" - 2/12/2010 4:57:56 AM

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Exactly.

PS: I forgot to add... add to the guns the propensity of Swiss peasants to drink red wine for breakfast and you have a recipe for disaster.

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RE: bill to register "non-gun-owners" - 2/12/2010 6:08:50 AM

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Just found this to be interesting although there isn't any data I could find past 2007:

Kennesaw – responding to a handgun ban in Morton Grove, Ill. – unanimously passed an ordinance requiring each head of household to own and maintain a gun. Since then, despite dire predictions of "Wild West" showdowns and increased violence and accidents, not a single resident has been involved in a fatal shooting – as a victim, attacker or defender.

The crime rate initially plummeted for several years after the passage of the ordinance, with the 2005 per capita crime rate actually significantly lower than it was in 1981, the year before passage of the law.
Prior to enactment of the law, Kennesaw had a population of just 5,242 but a crime rate significantly higher (4,332 per 100,000) than the national average (3,899 per 100,000). The latest statistics available – for the year 2005 – show the rate at 2,027 per 100,000. Meanwhile, the population has skyrocketed to 28,189.

By comparison, the population of Morton Grove, the first city in Illinois to adopt a gun ban for anyone other than police officers, has actually dropped slightly and stands at 22,202, according to 2005 statistics. More significantly, perhaps, the city's crime rate increased by 15.7 percent immediately after the gun ban, even though the overall crime rate in Cook County rose only 3 percent. Today, by comparison, the township's crime rate stands at 2,268 per 100,000.

This was not what some predicted.

In a column titled "Gun Town USA," Art Buchwald suggested Kennesaw would soon become a place where routine disagreements between neighbors would be settled in shootouts. The Washington Post mocked Kennesaw as "the brave little city … soon to be pistol-packing capital of the world." Phil Donahue invited the mayor on his show.

Reuters, the European news service, today revisited the Kennesaw controversy following the Virginia Tech Massacre.

Police Lt. Craig Graydon said: "When the Kennesaw law was passed in 1982 there was a substantial drop in crime … and we have maintained a really low crime rate since then. We are sure it is one of the lowest (crime) towns in the metro area." Kennesaw is just north of Atlanta.

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RE: bill to register "non-gun-owners" - 2/12/2010 7:25:05 AM

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Since only men have compulsory military service in Switzerland, it is only men of military age (up to the age of fifty, if memory serves me well) that have to keep their military-issued weapon at home.

Once their military duty terminates, they have to return the gun and ammunition to the military authorities.

There has been a number of incidents involving military-issued guns in recent years (including a spate of murders).

Well that's certainly a horse of a different color.

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RE: bill to register "non-gun-owners" - 2/12/2010 7:26:31 AM

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Well that's certainly a horse of a different color.

How do you mean, Muse?

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RE: bill to register "non-gun-owners" - 2/12/2010 7:37:09 AM

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GASP! You mean FORCE people to buy something whether they want to or not?

What are we, SOCIALISTS??????

Can't we just shoot these idiots?

Drop the fine and what do you think of the proposal?
Why not register non weapons owners, I am sure law enforcement would love to have that information (as it is also a backdoor way of knowing all of the gun owners).

Personally I think the legislation is a joke.

So I can take your disgust as a vote of support against forcing folks to pay a fine if they don't want insurance?

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RE: bill to register "non-gun-owners" - 2/12/2010 7:38:52 AM

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People have repeatedly used Switzerland as this epitome of freedom concerning gunownership.

Now it turns out the government takes back the guns.

Ironic.

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RE: bill to register "non-gun-owners" - 2/12/2010 7:40:23 AM

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GASP! You mean FORCE people to buy something whether they want to or not?

What are we, SOCIALISTS??????

Can't we just shoot these idiots?

Drop the fine and what do you think of the proposal?
Why not register non weapons owners, I am sure law enforcement would love to have that information (as it is also a backdoor way of knowing all of the gun owners).

Personally I think the legislation is a joke.

So I can take your disgust as a vote of support against forcing folks to pay a fine if they don't want insurance?

I'm joking about the double standard applied to different issues.

Nothing more.

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RE: bill to register "non-gun-owners" - 2/12/2010 7:44:30 AM

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Why stop at guns? I want tazers and drones for my humble abode! _stomp!

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RE: bill to register "non-gun-owners" - 2/12/2010 7:45:02 AM

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

GASP! You mean FORCE people to buy something whether they want to or not?

What are we, SOCIALISTS??????

Can't we just shoot these idiots?

Drop the fine and what do you think of the proposal?
Why not register non weapons owners, I am sure law enforcement would love to have that information (as it is also a backdoor way of knowing all of the gun owners).

Personally I think the legislation is a joke.

So I can take your disgust as a vote of support against forcing folks to pay a fine if they don't want insurance?

I'm joking about the double standard applied to different issues.

Nothing more.

Ah, I got your point. I think that both would be found to be at odds with the Constitution. You are correct though, many from both sides of the aisle are okay with it as long as it supports their position.

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RE: bill to register "non-gun-owners" - 2/12/2010 10:01:14 AM

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FR to no one in particular:

I am a gun owner, and when I was a Scoutmaster, we held rifle training for the boys. The first thing we had to do is inform them that this is a firearm, not a penis. Unfortunately, by the time boys reach age 11, they have become immersed in a culture where guns are fetishized, adulated, fear, and hated. So we had to spend a lot of time demystifying the gun, showing them gun safety rules, proper handling and cleaning and use of a rifle or shotgun, etc.

Just as unfortunately, the worst offenders of gun fetishization are gun owners and the NRA. For every responsible gun owner there is the Travis Bickel types, who collect guns for the purpose of stoking their psychosexual need for power, having wet dreams of blowing someone's head off with their beloved .357 Magnum.

I may disagree with gun control advocates, if only that prohibitions against things rarely work- those who want guns, can get them anywhere. But the worst enemy of the 2nd Amendment is the NRA itself.

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RE: bill to register "non-gun-owners" - 2/12/2010 4:46:29 PM

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Too late sheeples,JACK

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RE: bill to register "non-gun-owners" - 2/12/2010 5:00:59 PM

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