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THOUGHT CONTROL: Radiofrequency Weapons - 2/13/2010 5:38:34 AM   
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http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495;article=128529

According to those news the FBI considered the use of this device against
David Koresh during the siege in Waco. In reaction to this publication of the
Russian National Security Information first the Russian newspaper Pravda
(Pravda, March 6, The Art to Control the Crowd), wrote on March 6, 1994:
“Village Voice printed “scandalous news” that Russians are capable to control
human behavior...” Two weeks later the Russian weekly the Moscow News
(Moskovskie Novosti, March 20 to March 27, 1994, Shall we Succeed to change
the Lie Detector into the Detector of Truth?) printed a long article on Igor
Smirnov. The author writes that Igor Smirnov uses, for medical purposes, a
device broadcasting into the human ears “noises” which contain questions.
Those questions are not audible for the patient but perceptible to his brain
and the brain answers those questions. The answers are registered by the
electroencephalograph and analyzed by a computer. In this way Igor Smirnov
performs a very fast psychoanalysis. Then, again using the “noises” played
together with music, the healing messages are sent into the human brain,
which the patient will obey. According to the author of the article Igor
Smirnov added: “Do not forget, in your denigrating note, to precise our goals
- to heal and to teach. And do not assign us others - inhuman ones.”

A participant in the meetings with Igor Smirnov in the USA (wishing to remain
in anonymity) is quoted in the article in the DEFENSE ELECTRONICS as saying:
“the intelligence agencies... had been tracking Smirnov for years..., we know
there is evidence the Soviet Army‘s special Forces used the technology during
the conflict in Afghanistan.”/snip

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RE: THOUGHT CONTROL: Radiofrequency Weapons - 2/13/2010 5:44:48 AM   
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RE: THOUGHT CONTROL: Radiofrequency Weapons - 2/13/2010 5:47:04 AM   
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Which makes me think (or maybe makes someone else make me think) that we might all be here exchanging the views not of ourselves but of our sinister programmers......

E

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RE: THOUGHT CONTROL: Radiofrequency Weapons - 2/13/2010 5:47:42 AM   
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You may recall as early as the 1950s they put subliminal messages in movies to make people buy popcorn/coke.

So here we are 60 years later.

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RE: THOUGHT CONTROL: Radiofrequency Weapons - 2/13/2010 5:47:43 AM   
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YAY!!!

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RE: THOUGHT CONTROL: Radiofrequency Weapons - 2/13/2010 6:03:29 AM   
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Someone has to control these thoughts. Those having them certainly have no control over them. :P

I have two options to defend against this. I remove my brain or become a zombie. Well shiiiii


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RE: THOUGHT CONTROL: Radiofrequency Weapons - 2/13/2010 6:25:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Which makes me think (or maybe makes someone else make me think) that we might all be here exchanging the views not of ourselves but of our sinister programmers......

E


Dammit, I've been flaming the wrong people all along!


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RE: THOUGHT CONTROL: Radiofrequency Weapons - 2/13/2010 6:35:50 AM   
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Seriously PA, it's time for you to get back on your meds.  

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RE: THOUGHT CONTROL: Radiofrequency Weapons - 2/13/2010 6:36:55 AM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiVscqYrtfM

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RE: THOUGHT CONTROL: Radiofrequency Weapons - 2/13/2010 6:41:59 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Which makes me think (or maybe makes someone else make me think) that we might all be here exchanging the views not of ourselves but of our sinister programmers......

E


Dammit, I've been flaming the wrong people all along!



in most cases that is more correct than you wold ever imagine.


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RE: THOUGHT CONTROL: Radiofrequency Weapons - 2/13/2010 7:13:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495;article=128529

According to those news the FBI considered the use of this device against
David Koresh during the siege in Waco. In reaction to this publication of the
Russian National Security Information first the Russian newspaper Pravda
(Pravda, March 6, The Art to Control the Crowd), wrote on March 6, 1994:
“Village Voice printed “scandalous news” that Russians are capable to control
human behavior...” Two weeks later the Russian weekly the Moscow News
(Moskovskie Novosti, March 20 to March 27, 1994, Shall we Succeed to change
the Lie Detector into the Detector of Truth?) printed a long article on Igor
Smirnov. The author writes that Igor Smirnov uses, for medical purposes, a
device broadcasting into the human ears “noises” which contain questions.
Those questions are not audible for the patient but perceptible to his brain
and the brain answers those questions. The answers are registered by the
electroencephalograph and analyzed by a computer. In this way Igor Smirnov
performs a very fast psychoanalysis. Then, again using the “noises” played
together with music, the healing messages are sent into the human brain,
which the patient will obey. According to the author of the article Igor
Smirnov added: “Do not forget, in your denigrating note, to precise our goals
- to heal and to teach. And do not assign us others - inhuman ones.”

A participant in the meetings with Igor Smirnov in the USA (wishing to remain
in anonymity) is quoted in the article in the DEFENSE ELECTRONICS as saying:
“the intelligence agencies... had been tracking Smirnov for years..., we know
there is evidence the Soviet Army‘s special Forces used the technology during
the conflict in Afghanistan.”/snip



There's bogus stuff in the article, especially the part about encoding ultrasound signals in broadcast TV or radio transmissions and claiming that was done during the Iraq invasion.  TV and radio limit the bandwidth of the audio, and ultrasound would never make it through.

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RE: THOUGHT CONTROL: Radiofrequency Weapons - 2/13/2010 7:21:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thornhappy
There's bogus stuff in the article, especially the part about encoding ultrasound signals in broadcast TV or radio transmissions and claiming that was done during the Iraq invasion.  TV and radio limit the bandwidth of the audio, and ultrasound would never make it through.



yeh its been used but you are correct in that it will not go through a band limited receiver.

The author was speculating on that it seems and from what I can tell did not understand these are specific devices not methods.


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RE: THOUGHT CONTROL: Radiofrequency Weapons - 2/13/2010 8:01:43 AM   
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Actually when stereo TVs came out the bandwidth was increased to around 70 Khz. When FM stereo came out it's bandwidth was increased to about 32 Khz and even higher when the SCO signals were encoded into it. In each case the needed "difference" signal was impessed via suppressed carrier DSB modulation. In the case of the FM, a 19 Khz pilot (sync) signal was impressed and in TVs the carrier was lock to the horizontal sync at 15.734 Khz.

In a high fidelity system, this pilot or subcarrier must be filtered from the output. This is usually done with a PLL these days, in the past it was a simple bandstop filter. The PLL can be fooled. If there is no difference signal transmitted, an asynchronous signal could be made to pass. However then it must be reproduced to work.

But now, we have the ubiquitous TV set. Many of them have two way speaker systems. That is they have tweeters. The bandwidth of the analog BTSC signal is 12 Khz, so they need tweeters like a hole in the head. When the woofers blow out which are actually full range drivers, you can hardly hear the tweeters unless you turn it way up. So just what are these tweeters reproducing that is significant ? Or are they just for looks ?

I am not getting out the tinfoil yet, but I am here to tell you that it is indeed possible. I can prove it, but please go to wiki or something first. By presenting just how the systems work(ed) and teaching one to read schematics of older equipment I can prove it hands down. It is possible.

However it is quite effective just to bury the subliminal message in the normal content.

T

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RE: THOUGHT CONTROL: Radiofrequency Weapons - 2/13/2010 8:22:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

Seriously PA, it's time for you to get back on your meds.  


You are an agent for Rupert Murdock.

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RE: THOUGHT CONTROL: Radiofrequency Weapons - 2/13/2010 8:57:22 AM   
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RE: THOUGHT CONTROL: Radiofrequency Weapons - 2/13/2010 9:00:29 AM   
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Why bother with expensive radio frequency weapons when some people are so easily lead with the written word?

It's a false economy.

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RE: THOUGHT CONTROL: Radiofrequency Weapons - 2/19/2010 3:36:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

Seriously PA, it's time for you to get back on your meds.  


another one who wants to forcibly drug me. 

this makes how many now?

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RE: THOUGHT CONTROL: Radiofrequency Weapons - 2/19/2010 3:39:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

Seriously PA, it's time for you to get back on your meds.  


another one who wants to forcibly drug me. 

this makes how many now?

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RE: THOUGHT CONTROL: Radiofrequency Weapons - 2/19/2010 3:41:56 PM   
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This makes how many threads you have revived to ask that?

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RE: THOUGHT CONTROL: Radiofrequency Weapons - 2/19/2010 5:24:01 PM   
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I thought 70kHz was just the switching rate of the stereo signals (L/R).

Another problem with the theory is that you wouldn't be able to restrict the signal to one individual, like they thought they could do with Koresh.  Everybody in the area would've "heard God".

From wired:

Geoff Schoenbaum, a neuroscientist at the University of Maryland's School of Medicine, said that he was unaware of any scientific work specifically underpinning the technology described in SSRM Tek.


"There's no question your brain is able to perceive things below your ability to consciously express or identify," Schoenbaum said. He noted for example, studies showing that images displayed for milliseconds -- too short for people to perceive consciously -- may influence someone's mood. "That kind of thing is reasonable, and there's good experimental evidence behind it."


The problem, he said, is that there is no science he is aware of that can produce the specificity or sensitivity to pick out a terrorist, let alone influence behavior. "We're still working at the level of how rats learn that light predicts food," he explained. "That's the level of modern neuroscience." Developments in neuroscience, he noted, are followed closely. "If we could do (what they're talking about), you would know about it," Schoenbaum said. "It wouldn't be a handful of Russian folks in a basement."  

Here's an excerpt from the Microwave News article:

Dr. George Bake rof the Defense Nuclear Agency in Washington
titled hispaper8'RF Weapons: A Very Attractive Nonlethal
Option." But it is difficult to how, based on unclassified
information, whether or not this "option" has ever been used.
Reports have circulated that the US military has EMl and HPM
weapons in its arsenal and that these may have been used during
the Gulf War (see MWN, MM/J92 and Sl092). There were also
allegations that non-ionizing radiation was used against the
women's peace activist encampment at Greenham Common in
the U.K. in the mid-1980s (see MUn, SlO86).

The guys writing the APFN article assume these weapons are in mass production with no proof.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Actually when stereo TVs came out the bandwidth was increased to around 70 Khz. When FM stereo came out it's bandwidth was increased to about 32 Khz and even higher when the SCO signals were encoded into it. In each case the needed "difference" signal was impessed via suppressed carrier DSB modulation. In the case of the FM, a 19 Khz pilot (sync) signal was impressed and in TVs the carrier was lock to the horizontal sync at 15.734 Khz.

In a high fidelity system, this pilot or subcarrier must be filtered from the output. This is usually done with a PLL these days, in the past it was a simple bandstop filter. The PLL can be fooled. If there is no difference signal transmitted, an asynchronous signal could be made to pass. However then it must be reproduced to work.

But now, we have the ubiquitous TV set. Many of them have two way speaker systems. That is they have tweeters. The bandwidth of the analog BTSC signal is 12 Khz, so they need tweeters like a hole in the head. When the woofers blow out which are actually full range drivers, you can hardly hear the tweeters unless you turn it way up. So just what are these tweeters reproducing that is significant ? Or are they just for looks ?

I am not getting out the tinfoil yet, but I am here to tell you that it is indeed possible. I can prove it, but please go to wiki or something first. By presenting just how the systems work(ed) and teaching one to read schematics of older equipment I can prove it hands down. It is possible.

However it is quite effective just to bury the subliminal message in the normal content.

T


< Message edited by thornhappy -- 2/19/2010 5:51:28 PM >

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