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RE: giving your cat medicine- HOW? - 2/14/2010 8:35:23 AM   
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Really ? So I can take it that people conduct their daily lives usually without taking pain killers and indigestion aids, for they also fall into the pill category. Honestly, I would be surprised to hear of anyone in this day and age in our world who does not pop a pill at the slightest discomfort, be it a mild headache or an upset stomach.
and?

I am a big believer in eliminating needless suffering and/or discomfort.
If thequality of life is improved because someone takes and antacid or a pain reliever...more power to them!!


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RE: giving your cat medicine- HOW? - 2/14/2010 9:48:32 AM   
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I don't mean to hijack, but since we meandered to this, so be it.

I haven't taken a pill in about twenty years. Mom used to take aspirin all the time, was always getting headaches. This was puzzling as us kids had grown up. I remembered what I knew for years about aspirin and told her to get off them. She did and the frequency of her headaches dropped to near nil.

I used to pop more pills and drink more elixirs and shit than anyone due to severe allergies. None of it did any good, even from the doc. One day I threw it all out and started my own sort of desensitization program. I had read about it and figured out my little plan. It worked better than anything. I was 13. Details on request.

Twenty years ago I took antibiotics, this was for an ear infection. I did not want to be deaf. This year I might take a few pills related to my impending eye surgery, but only what is absolutely necessary. I don't want to be blind.

When I got shot in the face, before crossing the threshold from the ambulance to the door I jumped up and walked in and I said "I am walking into this MF and I am walking out". I also told them that I do not consent to any painkillers or sedatives. Those were my words. You talk about pain ? Think of a hole in your head extending from your left cheek all the way to the back of your neck. It was not fun and millions of you would have been so doped up on morphine that you wouldn't be able to think. I don't want that.

I am a firm believer that the human body is capable of repairing itself almost always, and that pain is actually a signal to the system to direct it's resources to that healing. Once or twice a year my head hurts, I guess that's a headache. They go away within a minute. When you take drugs all the time your system expects drugs. My system knows it is getting no such thing, and I believe, therefore acts accordingly. I believe the same is true of animals.

If I am the responsible party, my judgement prevails. If the animal dies, that's not good but that's the way it is. If I die it's not good, but that's the way it is. My pet would not have three neurosurgeons around the clock. My Aunt put about $50,000 into a dog that died anyway. I don't talk to her much.

When I get my eye surgery it is because I have to. Cats don't drive, read schematics or repair PC boards to component level. I make that exception and it is my right. After the surgery if they tell me I need medication for the rest of my life bet you believe the first thing I will do is figure out a way to break that dependence as soon as possible. To me, being dependent on legal drugs is as bad as being an addict. The only difference is the source of the drug.

My family does not necessarily share my views, and my sinister sister is the cat expert. She has this way of hypnotising them which entails getting them situated between your legs just right, two fingers can immobilize them and they can't go anywhere. After a bit of constant eye contact the cat will eat anything you shove down it's throat as it becomes totally submissive. She could cut it's paws off and it'll lay there as if given a huge dose of PCP (horse tranquilizer). Her cats can hear her car coming down the street and the will go to the door and wait for her. She can call them by snapping her fingers, and we know that alot of cats won't come, you might have to go to them because they have an attitude. But not no mo !

But then I am not totally sure that we are not from a different planet or something, so in the hope of being helpful, I will say this. Get a mortar and pistle. They are available in ceramic from ASS. No joke, it stands for American Surplus & Scientific or something like that. They are about four bucks. You can grind the pills up and put it in the food. If you take this route, it's better to have NOT tried to administer a pill so they will not recognize the smell. It is not yet associated with a less than pleasurable experience at that point.

I believe that my policy on animals is quite sound. I will come over and pet your pets. I will play with them and smack them around, which they will love. But I will not feed it, other than give water. All else is your responsibility. For example at my house, the Kid brings over his redbone husky and he has a blast. One day another guest gave the dog a cheeto. I said "What the fuck are you doing, you don't feed other people's animals". Likewise with whitekitty, who stops by from time to time. I told my roomies do not feed him. He lives two houses down and is their responsibility. It's not the cost of the food, it's the fact that they are in control of the animal's diet.

I don't want that. Eat anything you want out there, if it's bad, throw up.

We should be allowed to be human, and they should be allowed to be animals.

T

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RE: giving your cat medicine- HOW? - 2/14/2010 9:50:26 AM   
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the key- with humans and cat- is to reach the proper level of medication.

it is not good to over medicate- nor is it good to under-medicate.

there has to be an optimal balance.

think of it like a car engine- it needs the key part- not too much- not to little.

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RE: giving your cat medicine- HOW? - 2/14/2010 11:38:32 AM   
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If you end up switching to pill form, I found pill pockets worked well. I had a cat that needed heart meds, and once we started using the pockets (he preferred salmon flavored) there was never a problem getting him to eat them.

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RE: giving your cat medicine- HOW? - 2/14/2010 5:46:50 PM   
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T, if it is a cataract, you need to put drops in your eye with one kind of drops for 24 hours, and then another kind of drops for the next week.

If it's glaucoma, you use the drops for the rest of your life or lose your sight.

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RE: giving your cat medicine- HOW? - 2/14/2010 6:32:57 PM   
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Forgive me if somebody suggested this...

For pills to give your dog or cat they have something that you put the pill in (syringe type with an X at the bottom) you press the "syringe" and the pill pops into the back of their mouth.

close their mouth with your fingers and rub their chin/neck area until they swallow.

Yes, trim your cats nails if they will allow it before you start trying. I have the claw marks to prove it on my chest and my face. OUCH!

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RE: giving your cat medicine- HOW? - 2/14/2010 6:37:19 PM   
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Did pill pockets for my girl cat. She ate around the pill...

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RE: giving your cat medicine- HOW? - 2/14/2010 10:05:59 PM   
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If y'all are going to start sounding like you are asserting that animals are like people, then wouldn't it follow that they have the right to refuse medication ?

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RE: giving your cat medicine- HOW? - 2/14/2010 10:42:56 PM   
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Who's asserting that?

You're sounding like the nutjobs in the Politics/Religion thread, looking for any chance to blast away on your pet rant.

Don't forget to add the part about the conspiracy and coverup.

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RE: giving your cat medicine- HOW? - 2/14/2010 10:56:25 PM   
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"Who's asserting that?"

Not me for sure.

Where I come from, if the cat pukes on the carpet he goes outside. It is not a punishment at all, but the colder air will crank up his metabolism and get rid of whatever is bothering him more quickly. What's more he can expel the poisons at will and not wreck my rug.

Where I come from, if I am going to puke I would rather do it out back, and catch some breeze.

Where I come from I smashed my fingers really bad, climbing on a wood, unattached porch staircase. Mom said I have too low a threshold for pain. It FUCKING HURT ALOT !

I have beaten near killer flu a couple of times, ringworm and black mold poisoning without medical intervention. I'll be dammned if I am going to take a pet to a vet. Maybe to get stitched back together after a mishap, but that is the exception.

T

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RE: giving your cat medicine- HOW? - 2/14/2010 10:59:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Who's asserting that?

You're sounding like the nutjobs in the Politics/Religion thread, looking for any chance to blast away on your pet rant.

Don't forget to add the part about the conspiracy and coverup.


On it's way. Pet ownership is clearly a government conspiracy.
 
Links to follow.

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RE: giving your cat medicine- HOW? - 2/14/2010 11:21:33 PM   
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He's already got the "make up the other side" thing down.

I blame the welfare zoos.

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RE: giving your cat medicine- HOW? - 2/15/2010 4:33:42 AM   
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Welfare zoos ? What are you trying to blow our cover ?

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RE: giving your cat medicine- HOW? - 2/15/2010 4:36:12 AM   
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so in other words, fuck finding out why the cat is throwing up, just put it outside and it will cure itself. Look Termy, fuck around with your own health if you want to, it's your choice. But when you take in a pet it's your responsibility to care for it, and  that includes visits to the vet, especially if you allow it outside where there are diseases which could kill it.

Don't want to spend the money - which I get the feeling is the real issue, both with your cat and yourself? Don't have a pet in the first place.


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RE: giving your cat medicine- HOW? - 2/15/2010 6:40:38 AM   
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...the key is to work smarter not harder.

in some cases that means let the body be- no meds.  cat or ppl.

in other cases- mothers little helper.

Term-  they no longer give you codiene type pills on a minor surgery UNLESS you ask for it.

I suggest you DO ask- and stockpile them for a rainy day.

I suppose the cat has a right to say no- but - her no would be pouting hiding and cutting off a friendship with me.

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RE: giving your cat medicine- HOW? - 2/15/2010 10:48:48 AM   
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"Don't have a pet in the first place.
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EXACTLY ! Now you get it. I guess my Plebanism is getting better.

To explain I used to work with a guy named John Pleban, we both worked for Murphy, Elden Murphy, who I firmly believe was THE Murphy of Murphy's law. He said "Alot of people you can't tell anything, you have to plant it so they think they got the idea themselves".

I am two steps ahead, I haven't had a pet of my own in over forty years. As much as I avoid the words believe in, they fit here. I do not believe in having pets.

I let other people have the pets. I love animals and playing with them. They bite me I smack them around. They love every minute of it. If I get too rough they don't come back for more so fast, so I back off. I make animal noises. I scratch their bellies.

When I go to bed they go home, wherever that might be. This is a two bedroom suite and I don't even have a diningroom. Us po folk got eat in kitchens. But some people think it would be just fine to have a great dane or three or four rotwiellers  here. And a slew of cats.

A sprawling mansion is not the answer, but having alot of land is another thing. They can run around and eat bugs, in fact anything smaller than them. That is what they were meant to do. I have no right to stop them.

I think being in a human's house is like being in jail to them. Just because they get used to it doesn't make it right.

Yes I know I am "different", but I think it is I who is OK, and that the world is all wrong.

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RE: giving your cat medicine- HOW? - 2/15/2010 2:05:50 PM   
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the cat took her medicine today.   yay.   

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RE: giving your cat medicine- HOW? - 2/15/2010 2:26:39 PM   
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the cat took her medicine today.   yay.   


Yay Hunky! What finally worked?


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RE: giving your cat medicine- HOW? - 2/15/2010 2:33:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen.

Remember to have treats ready after to say sorry.

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I disagree with this assessment. You don't give her a treat right after she scratches and bites you; if  you do then your encouraging that sort of behavior. I say give her the medication, wait for her to calm down, ensure you impose your dominance over it, then give it a treat but only if she didn't bite and scratch you. You should never reward disobedience to a cat/dog just like a good parent ( of course this is a subjective viewpoint) wouldn't do that for their children.

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RE: giving your cat medicine- HOW? - 2/15/2010 4:37:07 PM   
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the cat took her medicine today.   yay.   


Yay Hunky! What finally worked?



I am making it up as I go with her.

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