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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 10:53:50 PM   
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First the failure mode of a floor in fire is that is slowly loses its yield strength and SLOWLY SAGS....  with me so far?

Then the part that sags SLOWLY TOUCHES THE FLOOR BELOW.  Still here?

THEN the part that is touching the floor begins to cool and become stronger because the flame at the bottom is around 300 degrees.

So there is no impact of the upper floor when it fails. DUH!



Stick with "DUH" and don't waste time typing anything superfluous.

You're completely full of shit, yet again. The problem was that the vertical columns failed. When they collapsed, everything they were holding up - the entire mass of the building above the level at which the failure occurred - fell onto the levels below. All of that energy was transferred within a second or two, and that was more than sufficient to cause total failure of those levels.

You have no clue what you're talking about, and you argue in circles like a child. I don't whether it's because you're insane or because you're an idiot, because while both are obviously true, it's difficult to tell which affliction is the cause of your deranged babblings. Have you got anyone who checks on you from time to time, to make sure you're bathing occasionally and taking the garbage out, and not leaving empty cardboard beer cases stacked on top of the stove? Because I worry about you.



golly gee...

aint that sumthing?

You got a problem dodge.

The fact that the alleged plane missed the core on wtc 2....





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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 11:01:41 PM   
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speak for yourself.  it wouldnt be that way if people realized the concepts I teach.  Until they figger out that all they are doing is electing a ceo and there is no difference between a 1 party and 2 party dictatorship this crap will never change because they dont have the tools to change it.  At least not for the better and these people will forever hold you hostage to the government.


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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 11:49:53 PM   
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How has this thread gone on for 10 pages? Those who believe it was a conspiracy will continue to drink that kool-aid, no matter what evidence you show them.

Questions arise out of a disbelief of the govt.'s conspiracy theory...much of that disbelief...well founded.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/16/2010 12:03:45 AM   
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911 conspiracy idiots are the most psychotic and moronic of all left-wing hippies and their lot of anti-government non-conformists.

Sheesh!

Which 9/11 conspiracy idiots do you mean ?

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/16/2010 12:10:33 AM   
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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/16/2010 1:22:04 AM   
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911 conspiracy idiots are the most psychotic and moronic of all left-wing hippies and their lot of anti-government non-conformists.

Sheesh!

Which 9/11 conspiracy idiots do you mean ?


Anyone who thinks and is vocal about their belief that 911 was "an inside job." So insulting, so paranoid, and so stupid.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/16/2010 1:28:25 AM   
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Not at all. I seem to recall that rfids can be as small as a grain of rice. They have their own particular frequency and their own radio antenna to receive and send information. So all that is required is a lump of thermite, a strip of magnesium, a rfid and somewhere else a computer and a radio transmitter.

The RFID tag would not be able to pick up a signal outside the tower, or between floors.  They have a limited operating range.  They also would require and interface circuit and power supply to light the magnesium (no RFID tag can generate that much current.)

That is useful information. Thank you.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/16/2010 1:32:54 AM   
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Not at all. I seem to recall that rfids can be as small as a grain of rice. They have their own particular frequency and their own radio antenna to receive and send information. So all that is required is a lump of thermite, a strip of magnesium, a rfid and somewhere else a computer and a radio transmitter.

The RFID tag would not be able to pick up a signal outside the tower, or between floors.  They have a limited operating range.  They also would require and interface circuit and power supply to light the magnesium (no RFID tag can generate that much current.)

Unless you use an extremely powerful transmitter, but that is obviously not the case as there would have been reports of such a powerful signal.

Not necessarily so. If each had an individual frequency then a microsecond burst at that frequency would be sufficient and probably not be noticed, even if that frequency happened to be monitored.
Whatever the means: there are many paths that lead to Rome.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/16/2010 1:46:48 AM   
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Exactly what info were you trying to get?

Mainly whether they indeed saw a plane. None of them would swear to that.

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If a complete stranger came up to me and challenged my account, or wanted names, locations, etc., I'd tell them to pound sand.

Those were follow up questions in case they indeed saw a plane. One or two CM-people who knew such people refused to provide such information about them. That is okay for reasons of anonimity. I instead proposed that they publish such information somewhere on the internet where researchers might find it.

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The fires burned right through the collapse and for about a week after (the wreckage was smoldering for a long time).  Post-collapse review of video showed that there was no way to put out that fire, there was just too much square footage involved.

It was a rather desperate last minute demolition, as the fires had nearly burned out.
I rather suspect that the air displacement during the collapse and the reduction of oxygen would blow out any remaining fire. The later fires presumably were ignited by such things as molten metal, dust explosions, or friction?

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The sprinkler system was down due to damage in the core; I bet the standpipes were too.

How convenient.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/16/2010 2:41:00 AM   
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Here's some additional info:

Interesting link. I will read the entire thermite section at a later time.

I quote from that section: "there is enough evidence to point to the glow being aluminum. (Anyone saying they KNOW what the substance is would be lying".

I know that there was no plane, but even assuming that there was a plane, I disbelieve that the huge amount of molten material falling down from that window - not from the floor, but from the ceiling - could have been produced by a couple of bits from the outer skin of a plane; the proposition is absurd.

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Early on the afternoon of September 11th 2001, following the collapse of WTC 1 & 2, I feared a collapse of WTC 7 (as did many on my staff).

The reasons are as follows:

1 - Although prior to that day high-rise structures had never collapsed, The collapse of WTC 1 & 2 showed that certain high-rise structures subjected to damage from impact and from fire will collapse.

Dan Nigro
Chief of Department FDNY (retired)

The man obviously is a high IQ idiot if he provides such a reason 1. Either or both that or he was part of the conspiracy. I am inclined to say both.

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You can find an analysis of the thermite required to cut the beams on the same web site.  It's a huge amount.

Never mind. It was and is my impression that the columns suffered from structural failure, as indeed, I seem to recall, is argued in the official hypothesis.

The aluminum flow from the one window indicates that thermite did play a role in this structural failure and may have had a function in creating the entry and exit holes.

The question is how thermite may have been used to cause this structral failure of the columns. How much thermite is necessary to cause the same expansion of the girders as the official hypothesis, if I recall correctly, claimed was due to the fire?

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/16/2010 3:22:32 AM   
Rule


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As others have pointed out an RFID chip is completely inadequate for the job. The very small ones only function within a few inches of the transmitter.

A few inches is not practical for this project. Required is at least the distance to the core.

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To set off the plastique required to cut the support, incendiaries are not going to do the job, requires a significant electrical discharge from a detonator. So to cut each I beam, i.e. one of the dozens in the central core and each floor joist, requires drilling a hole through the steel. planting several ounces of plastique along with detonator. Running the wire, quickly cabled together with all the other wires, to an outside control panel.

Plastique? Thermite is a plastique?
All that is needed, is to ignite the magnesium strip that sets off in turn the thermite.
No drilling, remember?
I have no evidence that structural columns were cut.
I dunno why you keep insisting on using old-fashioned wires.

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But you're still claiming everyone in NY and the surrounding area who saw the planes is lying as are all the cameramen who filmed the second plane hitting the tower.

Indeed.

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So according to you all the news networks willingly cut away from live coverage to show a conspiracy provided film of a special effects shot.

There is no live coverage.

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Now you've got the hundreds of men required to place the charges

It seems to me that there were at most about 240 x 110 x 2 x 2 charges to be emplaced, which amounts to 106 thousand charges. Say ten minutes per charge, so one million minutes. There are about twenty thousand minutes in two weeks. It would require 52 men working continuously; double that to allow for sleep. So about one hundred men for the two towers, yes.

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all the news room employees of all the NYC stations and all the major networks

Not all. Perhaps a couple.

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and tens of thousands of eyewitnesses

I haven't found a credible one yet.

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Even in your paranoid delusion doesn't that strike you as an awfully big group to all be in on this and none of them have ever come clean?

No; you are exaggerating those particular numbers. But yes, in all events two thousand people might easily have been involved, perhaps up to ten thousand people.


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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/16/2010 3:43:05 AM   
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Just glue some thermate to a structural element?

According to the demonstration shown in this video, only a small amount of super-thermite needs to be painted on:

Interesting. That flow of liquid metal very much resembles the flow that was observed as coming from one of the windows.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/16/2010 4:13:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is one of my favorite conspiracy theories. The U.S. Goverment planned and executed the attacks on 9/11. First .. the topic says it all. There would have to have been a lot of people involved, including fire firghters, police officers and rescue workers, yet not one person reported finding mercury switches at ground zero.

But here's an even bigger question: what was the motive?

To throw our own economy into turmoil. Put huge banks out of business. Cause hundreds of thousands of U.S. citizens lose their jobs, plus millions more world wide. All for the big payoff - Eight years later - Sarah Palin will be elected Vice President, one heart beat away from the big chair, which she will ascend to once we kill McCain.

However - The People of the United States - hoping for change - elect a bi-racial (considered black by most who don't read) President, ruining the insidious plan!!!

The Illuminati, Free Masons and Loyal Order of Water Buffalo couldn't see that coming, could they?

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/16/2010 5:22:13 AM   
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911 conspiracy idiots are the most psychotic and moronic of all left-wing hippies and their lot of anti-government non-conformists.

Sheesh!


WHo asked you?

The next false flag is 1 day closer thanks to you.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/16/2010 5:29:24 AM   
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the collapse of building 7 was also reported before it happened.   by about 20 minutes.   they reported the building had collapse over in the UK- even holding a live picture in the background- of - what else?   Building number 7.  

someone dig this up.

7 was imploded.    ....and today we are yet 1 more day closer to the next government false flag event.



this is fucking hilarious!

Yeh and CNN reported i t15 minutes early too!

I had ot laugh my ass off she is yapping away and its right behind her.

What a bunch of tards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7SwOT29gbc



being that we cant deal with basic facts- that tells me we DESERVE what the government has planned for us.


some CM claim 7 was not imploded- and we even remind them that 7 was announce collapsed on live TV while the same building stood perfectly erect- right there in full view.

Thank god a few of us are not so far gone- that we are able to digest this simple action.



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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/16/2010 9:02:37 AM   
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Just glue some thermate to a structural element?

According to the demonstration shown in this video, only a small amount of super-thermite needs to be painted on:

Interesting. That flow of liquid metal very much resembles the flow that was observed as coming from one of the windows.




Yes, I found it quite interesting myself.

Hmm... who was in charge of security for the WTC complex, leading up to 9/11?

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/16/2010 9:20:28 AM   
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it is all about the big banks.

Get it?

the banks run the world.   there is no left or right.  it is ALL A DISTRACTION TO TAKE YOUR MONEY FROM YOU.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/16/2010 10:16:12 AM   
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FR

why are the 911 liars always so incredibly fucking stoopid?

LOL



Quit asking yourself questions.

As for the OP link, yes Lafolley is lying. Maybe it is because he was sacked from the WTC. Maybe he just wants more free publicity.


no hes not

still saying any damn nonsense I see.  

fall for any more fake videos lately?

LOL



Well you would believe anything, so your view of  Lafolley doesnt suprise me.

Fake video ? You just spent the last two weeks trying to convince everyone that the grey smoke was a bomb. Now that you have been proved wrong, the video is suddenly a fake.


No I dont believe anything.  Unlike you I know that everytime the government starts flapping its flapper its a lie.  911 is a lie.  plain and simple.

Do you like wake up every day and just making shit up as you go?   Again here we go right into any grade school kid that played with matches and gas or oil knows what it burns like.

Of course I cant speak for kids that mom never lets out of the house for fear they might hurt themselves.



More insults and no evidence, nothing changes in your replies does it. You cant even keep your story straight about where the fake hole is.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/16/2010 10:34:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		I fully understand that those behind the central banks are at the very top of the food chain, and are the root cause of so much of what ails the common man. Nevertheless, the masses prefer to focus their attentions on symptoms, as they have been so well indoctrinated to do.

Is rabid fervor the most effective method of dismantling this wall of indoctrination?

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/16/2010 10:43:36 AM   
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Most people recognise when they are out of the league and stop making fools out of themselves.

Yourself excepted, of course.

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