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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/16/2010 11:43:49 AM   
Mercnbeth


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"All those people! Why Hasn't Anyone Talked?"

I didn't know them all. I knew many. At least a few hundred by face ranging from the servers at 'Windows', security, 'floor wardens', business men and woman ranging from college interns to corporate officers to private business owners. I remember once, soon after 9/11, trying to think of everyone I knew by name; the desert chef at Window who gave me the white chocolate mousse recipe I recreated every Christmas, the security chief who let gave me a tour of the garage where the first attempt to take down the building occurred; but I gave up without generating a number. Now, after all these years, I happier I didn't do as planned and write down those names and memories.

To answer your question RealOne, they haven't talked because they are dead.

I also remember being pissed about forgetting not to be there on 'fire drill' day for my building sector because it meant I had to walk down those steps. I can relate first hand - the only things, beside used chewing gum, painted on any of the exposed beams I saw was graffiti; although maybe thermite paint was used.

I didn't see a plane go into either building, I was on the NJ turnpike. I should have seen them up close and personal from the 97th floor from II; but fate had other plans for me.

The US Supreme Court acknowledges that obscenity is a moving target and each individual, along with each community, has their own standards. There maybe more disgusting, ignorant, threads posted on CM; but to me - this thread is the most obscene I've encountered during my tenure. However I'm sure some of you would consider me, what I do, and what I post similarly.

The memories of people, not only the ones who pass through my thoughts daily, but the ones I didn't meet or know like the people in the planes, are being abused. 'Non-consensually' to use a frequently used CM reference. Silent, they and their families are unable to respond. They are more fortunate than me - to my knowledge they don't frequent CM. I won't embarrass myself to attempt to speak for them. I speak for myself, my experience, my memories, my guilt for doing nothing more than surviving.

There is a benefit to growing old. I'm actually grateful for the pragmatic truth that as each day goes by, I remember less. Unfortunately, I still remember too much to not react emotionally to the nonsense being expressed.

However its your right and obviously CM's policy permits you to go ahead - post away. I won't bother you again with my perspective, which I'm sure you consider too personally involved to consider or reflective of accuracy. I've yet to be able to get through any of the 'scientific' evidence provided by either side of the argument. I admit, on the 'science' side of this debate, I speak from a position of ignorance.

I also admit, as a hope, like the people whose names I've forgotten so too will this thread be as my representative image of CM's political threads, when it's not on the first page.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/16/2010 11:46:12 AM   
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Which radio band are you proposing, real (there are tons of 'em)?  The spectrum in NY is stuffed like a Christmas turkey.  If you plant stuff on frequencies in use, you stand a chance of them going off prematurely.

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Unless you use an extremely powerful transmitter, but that is obviously not the case as there would have been reports of such a powerful signal.


How can you say that as wide as the radio band is?

No way would anyone be able to detect it and if they would it would be so short lived it would be huh?


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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/16/2010 11:51:17 AM   
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Then the part that sags SLOWLY TOUCHES THE FLOOR BELOW.  Still here?

I've not once seen a a failure analysis that shows them "slowly touching the floor."  They fall down on one side, they aren't elastic enough to hit the floor.

Second, when the floor above collapses, it has a hell of a lot of force behind it, since it's got time to accelerate (and a whole lot of momentum) before it strikes the floor below.  No floor is built to sustain that kind of stress.

As a thought experiment, rest a 50-lb weight on your chest while you're laying on the floor.  Then have someone drop that weight from, say, 14 feet.  Do you detect a difference?  More damage than the first case?

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/16/2010 12:00:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth There maybe more disgusting, ignorant, threads posted on CM; but to me - this thread is the most obscene I've encountered during my tenure. However I'm sure some of you would consider me, what I do, and what I post similarly.


Even if that were true - and I'm certainly not suggesting that it is - it would not make this thread any less ignorant and any less disgusting than it is. You could be Josef Mengele, and your point would still stand undiminished.



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The memories of people, not only the ones who pass through my thoughts daily, but the ones I didn't meet or know like the people in the planes, are being abused. 'Non-consensually' to use a frequently used CM reference. Silent, they and their families are unable to respond.


Which is precisely why I find these "Truthers" so offensive. I'm glad you finally weighed in with this. I know it must have been hard for you, and I've been watching the thread for a week or two wondering if you were going to add your point of view. Whatever it was that made you finally decide to speak up, I'm glad that you did. Because I don't think this discussion could be complete with that particular perspective.

I'm sorry for what you still deal with in regards to that event, and especially for what the families of those people you knew deal with every day of their lives. I can't even imagine how hard it must be for some of them to see the deaths of their loved ones pissed all over with this ignorant, psychotic conspiracy bullshit.


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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/16/2010 12:04:35 PM   
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911 conspiracy idiots are the most psychotic and moronic of all left-wing hippies and their lot of anti-government non-conformists.

Sheesh!

Which 9/11 conspiracy idiots do you mean ?


Anyone who thinks and is vocal about their belief that 911 was "an inside job." So insulting, so paranoid, and so stupid.

Let me be one ...can I ? 9/11 was so obviously a false flag operation or often called black ops, it has actually been very revealing, all of the steps taken to try to prove the Bushies conspiracy theory...after the fact with evidence removed, hidden or destroyed.

If you wish to believe the govt.'s story (with almost all of which was fed to the public within a day) go ahead, but they didn't even come close to proving anything...to me.

Add to that all of dozens of unanwsered questions with all of the evidence either in the hands of or destroyed by the govt. and Bush/Cheney REFUSING to testify before the 9/11 comm. under oath, with transcriptions.  Makes me very suspicious...they had something to hide.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/16/2010 12:08:55 PM   
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911 conspiracy idiots are the most psychotic and moronic of all left-wing hippies and their lot of anti-government non-conformists.

Sheesh!

Which 9/11 conspiracy idiots do you mean ?


Anyone who thinks and is vocal about their belief that 911 was "an inside job." So insulting, so paranoid, and so stupid.

Let me be one ...can I ? 9/11 was so obviously a false flag operation or often called black ops, it has actually been very revealing, all of the steps taken to try to prove the Bushies conspiracy theory...after the fact with evidence removed, hidden or destroyed.

If you wish to believe the govt.'s story (with almost all of which was fed to the public within a day) go ahead, but they didn't even come close to proving anything...to me.

Add to that all of dozens of unanwsered questions with all of the evidence either in the hands of or destroyed by the govt. and Bush/Cheney REFUSING to testify before the 9/11 comm. under oath, with transcriptions.  Makes me very suspicious...they had something to hide.



there is NOTHING like sunshine and openess.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/16/2010 3:21:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

~ Long Thoughts ~


"All those people! Why Hasn't Anyone Talked?"

I kept hoping you were ignoring this crap. Please accept my personal apology for any pain I may have caused you on this manner.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/16/2010 3:44:41 PM   
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we are going to experience another 9-11 event pretty soon here.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/16/2010 4:11:09 PM   
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Have they notified the government?  Or is the government going to "do it again".

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/16/2010 4:41:04 PM   
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Have they notified the government?  Or is the government going to "do it again".



the powers that be are TELLING you that there is going to be a terror attack soon.

so--  conduct your life in a prudent manner.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/16/2010 4:47:37 PM   
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we are going to experience another 9-11 event pretty soon here.


This is the internet equivalent of an 8 year old kid saying "Oooh , I've got a secret".
 
It's also not the first time you've said this. It's disingenuous. Are you secretly hoping for something to happen so you can say I told you so? You've mentioned "within weeks" and "pretty soon". Do you have some specific knowledge? Have you passed it on? Are you committing treason by not doing so?
 
I don't care if you were dropped on your head as a kid or your dog, cat, parrot or hamster just died - the sympathy and leniancy shown you for your 'mental health' issues is misplaced. You know enough to know better.
 
This is a pretty obscene thread to begin with and has denigrated and cheapened the memory of a lot of lost lives.

Armchair experts who know no shame.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/16/2010 5:08:20 PM   
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Have they notified the government?  Or is the government going to "do it again".

Which PTB, and where?

the powers that be are TELLING you that there is going to be a terror attack soon.

so--  conduct your life in a prudent manner.


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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/16/2010 5:29:34 PM   
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EW:

The Illuminati always tell you what they are going to do.

Just free yourself of the NLP- and LISTEN to the trigger words.

As to wanting to be right- at the moment that would not matter- as no one here has any type of attention span. So I could be right 99 out of 100 times and the short attention span would render that null - insignificant.

And due to the endless comments about me- - meds-  it is tempting to dump this screen name.    They are TELLING you there is going to be an attack soon.

All you have to do is to pay close attention- and the facts become clear.

But based on how some on this thread can not be bothered with building 7 being imploded- then I guess that is how it is.

The TV is a 24 hour infomercial.

Refusing to know history is the slap to the dead of 9-11.   I would say- the USA is so ignorant- that we deserve to relive every last detail of the last 100 years of war- right down to the last tear.  because we learned nothing.  nothing.



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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/16/2010 5:39:09 PM   
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to put into simple terms-

we now reward incompetence- in a big way- the past 10 years. 

situation + blunder = $$$$$

therefor we are going to get more incompetence.

No one goes to jail-   and there is a financial incentive for even more incompetence of every type.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/16/2010 5:41:49 PM   
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as no one here has any type of attention span. So I could be right 99 out of 100 times and the short attention span would render that null - insignificant.

No attention span...that explains how I got through engineering classes (many of which were dry as dust in the Sahara), and why I get through books that rack up to 1200 pages.

Personally, I think NLP's a crock.  IMHO, of course.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/16/2010 5:50:36 PM   
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in the past 10 years the government has been incompetent.   it blunders and then gets wildly financially rewarded because of the blunder.



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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/16/2010 5:53:14 PM   
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What has that to do with the Illuminati?  And if government's so incompetent, how could they have carried off a fake 9/11.  You can't have it both ways.

Speaking of Illuminati and the PTB, where are they telling about another 9/11?  What papers, TV, radio, etc.?

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/16/2010 5:57:35 PM   
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What has that to do with the Illuminati?  And if government's so incompetent, how could they have carried off a fake 9/11.  You can't have it both ways.

Speaking of Illuminati and the PTB, where are they telling about another 9/11?  What papers, TV, radio, etc.?



Here is my position.

7 was imploded.

while  1 and 2 seem odd- I stop short of saying the govt did that.

but 7 was taken down.



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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/16/2010 6:09:18 PM   
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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/State_of_the_Union/al-qaeda-terror-attack-us-highly-intelligence-chiefs/story?id=9732485

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/16/2010 6:13:14 PM   
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i usually bite my tongue on this topic, as no one convinces anyone of anything.  but my two cents :D

where we should focus our attention is on the pentagon hit.  when asked about the lack of wreckage we were told that the flames burnt so hot it vaporised the plane.  but-   kerosene can not burn hot enough to melt aircraft aluminum.  it is incapable of burning that hot.  so there is some sort of coverup.  cant argue with that.  as to what is being covered up?  we will never know

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