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RE: Why Do Liberals Love Taxes??? - 2/16/2010 4:23:37 PM   
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Nonsense. Accounting trick? It's an accounting ledger.

Balanced is balanced. You expecting more baby boomers born to retire?


How about the increase in folks collecting disability? The number of seniors that normally would keep working past the age of able to collect, that aren't because there aren't any jobs available. Etc.

That 2037 estimate is based on receiving the same revenue along with yearly increases, oh we are going to see an increase in employment this year, but it will be temp.

I suppose the good news (depending on whether you are collecting or not) is that there was no cost of living increase to social security this year.

Add on to all of that, the fact that the administration has announced that the "Bush tax cuts" will be allowed to expire Jan 2011, and you get folks moving what money they can this year. Sure that helps increase the GDP (this year) but it is at the expense of revenues that would have been collected next year. Mark my words, we will see a huge cliff next year (hopefully not sooner).

You are correct though, something needs to be done. I am open to hearing solutions.



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RE: Why Do Liberals Love Taxes??? - 2/16/2010 4:32:46 PM   
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In 2006, the oldest of the baby boomers, the generation born between 1946 and 1964, will turn 60 years old.


How do they figure that? I was born in '62 and I'm 47...plus 2006 is in the past


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RE: Why Do Liberals Love Taxes??? - 2/16/2010 4:37:27 PM   
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So by all means, let's delay this some more.

Because the alternative to SS is not pretty. Been there done that.

And this remains an anomaly.

Are people aware the baby boomers had kids?


My friend,

I am all for doing something now. The sooner the better. I know the fix for this one is going to hurt us all, but it is much better than the alternative.

The other question becomes, at what point do we stop this pyramid scheme?

The rate of births per 1000 has been dropping since 1957 where it was 25.3, the rate as of 2005 was 14.0.



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RE: Why Do Liberals Love Taxes??? - 2/16/2010 4:50:00 PM   
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The rate of births per 1000 has been dropping since 1957 where it was 25.3, the rate as of 2005 was 14.0.


The rate of births per 1000 for the years 1935-40 were in the 18-19 range and while the rate in 2005 was 14 the rate has hovered in the 14-19 range since 1966. So what you are saying is that the birth rate is pretty much back to normal since the mid sixties

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RE: Why Do Liberals Love Taxes??? - 2/16/2010 5:10:56 PM   
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The rate of births per 1000 has been dropping since 1957 where it was 25.3, the rate as of 2005 was 14.0.


The rate of births per 1000 for the years 1935-40 were in the 18-19 range and while the rate in 2005 was 14 the rate has hovered in the 14-19 range since 1966. So what you are saying is that the birth rate is pretty much back to normal since the mid sixties


One could assume that the birth rates were down during those reporting periods, because of something called the GREAT DEPRESSION. All numbers before and after that period are in the 20+ per 1000 range. Not only that but continued to increase until the peak in 1957, we have been slowly coming down from that period of birth rate increases since.

I have no clue where you get the idea that the current rates are "back to normal". Even going back in 1910 the birth rate was at 30.1, 1915 at 29.5, 1920 at 27.7, 1925 at 25.1....

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RE: Why Do Liberals Love Taxes??? - 2/16/2010 5:15:05 PM   
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In 2006, the oldest of the baby boomers, the generation born between 1946 and 1964, will turn 60 years old.


How do they figure that? I was born in '62 and I'm 47...plus 2006 is in the past



First, the piece i cited was written in 2006. Not sure why you have a problem with it.

Second, the speak of the oldest baby boomers... those born in 1946... in 2006, they would have been 60.

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RE: Why Do Liberals Love Taxes??? - 2/16/2010 5:31:47 PM   
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In 2006, the oldest of the baby boomers, the generation born between 1946 and 1964, will turn 60 years old.


How do they figure that? I was born in '62 and I'm 47...plus 2006 is in the past



First, the piece i cited was written in 2006. Not sure why you have a problem with it.

Second, the speak of the oldest baby boomers... those born in 1946... in 2006, they would have been 60.


Sorry taz, misread it to mean that they were saying all those born between '46 and '64 would be in their 60s. I am guilty of reading without a brain


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RE: Why Do Liberals Love Taxes??? - 2/16/2010 5:39:02 PM   
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RE: Why Do Liberals Love Taxes??? - 2/17/2010 9:02:33 AM   
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The rate of births per 1000 has been dropping since 1957 where it was 25.3, the rate as of 2005 was 14.0.


The rate of births per 1000 for the years 1935-40 were in the 18-19 range and while the rate in 2005 was 14 the rate has hovered in the 14-19 range since 1966. So what you are saying is that the birth rate is pretty much back to normal since the mid sixties


One could assume that the birth rates were down during those reporting periods, because of something called the GREAT DEPRESSION.

No...we have two things going on here. The baby boom after the first world war and the depression. Look at the data from 12 years after the end of WW1...it is comensurate with the post WW 2 rate.
From 30 to 45 we have a declining birth rate comensurate with the decline in birthrate from 57 to the present
I can only find birth rates back to 1910. Keep in mind though that the early 1900's were a time of heavy immigration which would necessarily have an effect on birth rates.


All numbers before and after that period are in the 20+ per 1000 range. Not only that but continued to increase until the peak in 1957, we have been slowly coming down from that period of birth rate increases since.

I have no clue where you get the idea that the current rates are "back to normal". Even going back in 1910 the birth rate was at 30.1, 1915 at 29.5, 1920 at 27.7, 1925 at 25.1....


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RE: Why Do Liberals Love Taxes??? - 2/17/2010 10:01:18 AM   
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If you can't figure out the significance of that episode I'll spell it out to you. Little by little, they introduce new taxes both liberals and RINO's, and little by little they go up on the taxes each year. Now, it's to the point where the democrats know you are on to them, so in the last election they promised you a middle class tax cut to get elected (totally uncharacteristic of democrats), knowing full well that once they gained control of both houses of congress, they would get far more money out of you in the long run by passing socialized healthcare, and a whole slew of backdoor taxes on corporations, small businesses, financial institutions, and energy companies. Keep in mind that eventually all these entities must pass this cost on to you the consumer. This is why they care called hidden or backdoor taxes. Liberals and RINO's aren't stupid, but the American voter is. True conservatives don't operate like this. Liberals and RINO's do.

I'm the first one to place the blame on RINO's and liberals. My point is, why should your state have to pay for the Big Dig in Boston or a Bridge to No Where in Alaska? When are we going to figure out that each state is going to have to pay for their own projects, spending programs, and welfare programs. Social security, Medicare and Medicaid should be the only federally funded social programs, and that's only because they can pull the rabbit out of the hat, and print up money or change figures in computers at the federal reserve. That way those programs will positively be funded.

A very simple solution to healthcare, although not nearly enough to control costs which is what is necessary, is to expand medicaid to poverty level legal citizens. It's unfortunate that they took unconstitutional approaches in both the house and the senate, massive new government programs, and included abortion and Illegal aliens in their packages. Just goes to show you how much common sense is in Washington.

The house plan was obviously unconstitutional since the 10th amendment does not give the authority to the federal government to provide healthcare. Therefore the state has the authority here. The senate plan required people to buy health insurance, and that is unconstitutional as well. You can't force someone to buy something they don't want or can't afford. The argument that you are forced to buy car insurance is not the same, since you don't have to drive a car if you don't want to.

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RE: Why Do Liberals Love Taxes??? - 2/17/2010 10:14:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		A very simple solution to healthcare, although not nearly enough to control costs which is what is necessary, is to expand medicaid to poverty level legal citizens. It's unfortunate that they took unconstitutional approaches in both the house and the senate, massive new government programs, and included abortion and Illegal aliens in their packages. Just goes to show you how much common sense is in Washington.

Neither were included.

The house plan was obviously unconstitutional since the 10th amendment does not give the authority to the federal government to provide healthcare. Therefore the state has the authority here. The senate plan required people to buy health insurance, and that is unconstitutional as well. You can't force someone to buy something they don't want or can't afford. The argument that you are forced to buy car insurance is not the same, since you don't have to drive a car if you don't want to.

Then explain Medicare, Tricare, SSI, ect. Your argument holds no weight. As far as forcing people to buy something they dont want or cant afford... helmet laws ring a bell? People are forced to buy things everyday they dont want or cant afford.

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RE: Why Do Liberals Love Taxes??? - 2/17/2010 10:15:17 AM   
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RE: Why Do Liberals Love Taxes??? - 2/17/2010 11:28:52 AM   
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A billion seconds ago it was 1959.
Off by 20 years...guess your calculator is broken too eh?






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RE: Why Do Liberals Love Taxes??? - 2/17/2010 12:04:27 PM   
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RE: Why Do Liberals Love Taxes??? - 2/17/2010 12:06:40 PM   
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