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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/17/2010 7:59:32 PM   
pyroaquatic


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ORIGINAL: BLoved

The Case for Love

Love strengthens self-respect, in the lover and the one loved.

Love respects consent and the lack of consent.

Love tolerates no deception.

Love is patient and thorough.

Love never places a beloved at risk.

Love delights in the sharing of discovery and exploration.

Love needs no previous experience.

Love heals.

Love has meaning, not just for one night, but night after night after ...

Love isn't lonely.

Love is much more than lust.

Love challenges us to be our best, because it demands of us that we care for another as much as we care for ourselves.

As we would not deny ourselves our best, so too do we not deny our best to those we love.

To be our best we must be willing to grow, to learn, to explore and discover, always respecting our selves and each other.

Love offers all of this to those who have the courage to believe in themselves, to respect themselves, to respect others.

Love offers itself to those who turn their backs on Fear.

Love offers itself to those who choose to be what they were born to be.



Like everything love is something that must be practiced. Love cannot exceed trusts capacities. I can trust you, or I can trust pages of what has been said before my post.

I trust myself.

I trust myself to get hurt in my pursuit of love. It has happen and it will happened. It has happened before. It has happened to you.

Granted I am not a people person. I can say I am a 'hot piece of meat' but I have not been invited to any private play parties (hell, even any public ones). I would say attractive, yes.

Abuse occurs even without the BDSM context. I should know.

The point is that what you are saying strikes some validity but cannot be solely applicable to the casual bdsm scene.

This happens everywhere.

(i also noticed that you refer to a female submissive in your profile so you do have a targeted audience, just to let ya know)


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As your desire is, so is your will.
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As your deed is, so is your destiny.
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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/17/2010 8:01:39 PM   
BLoved


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You seem like a lonely bitter old man and no one should be like that. I would put more effort into this, but you have already shown your not going to listen to anyone. So why bother?


If that is as perceptive as you get, how do you hope to convince me of anything?

It is rather easy to tell who to listen to and who can be ignored ... they provide some kind of 'assessment' as you have done, obviously bearing no relationship with my reality, and then expect to be heard as an expert on my "problem".

~smile~


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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/17/2010 8:03:54 PM   
Jeffff


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"What's Love Got To Do With It"

You must understand
That the touch of your hand
Makes my pulse react
That it's only the thrill
Of boy meeting girl
Opposites attract

It's physical
Only logical
You must try to ignore
That it means more than that

[Chorus]
Oh whats love got to do, got to do with it
What's love but a second hand emotion
What's love got to do, got to do with it
Who needs a heart
When a heart can be broken

It may seem to you
That I'm acting confused
When you're close to me
If i tend to look dazed
I've read it someplace
I've got cause to be

There's a name for it
There's a phrase that fits
But whatever the reason
You do it for me

[Chorus]

I've been taking on a new direction
But i have to say
I've been thinking about my own protection
It scares me to feel this way

What's love got to do, got to do with it
What's love but a sweet old fashioned notion
What's love got to do, got to do with it
Who needs a heart when a heart can be broken

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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/17/2010 8:06:03 PM   
BLoved


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ORIGINAL: pyroaquatic

quote:

ORIGINAL: BLoved

The Case for Love

Love strengthens self-respect, in the lover and the one loved.

Love respects consent and the lack of consent.

Love tolerates no deception.

Love is patient and thorough.

Love never places a beloved at risk.

Love delights in the sharing of discovery and exploration.

Love needs no previous experience.

Love heals.

Love has meaning, not just for one night, but night after night after ...

Love isn't lonely.

Love is much more than lust.

Love challenges us to be our best, because it demands of us that we care for another as much as we care for ourselves.

As we would not deny ourselves our best, so too do we not deny our best to those we love.

To be our best we must be willing to grow, to learn, to explore and discover, always respecting our selves and each other.

Love offers all of this to those who have the courage to believe in themselves, to respect themselves, to respect others.

Love offers itself to those who turn their backs on Fear.

Love offers itself to those who choose to be what they were born to be.



Like everything love is something that must be practiced. Love cannot exceed trusts capacities. I can trust you, or I can trust pages of what has been said before my post.

I trust myself.

I trust myself to get hurt in my pursuit of love. It has happen and it will happened. It has happened before. It has happened to you.

Granted I am not a people person. I can say I am a 'hot piece of meat' but I have not been invited to any private play parties (hell, even any public ones). I would say attractive, yes.

Abuse occurs even without the BDSM context. I should know.

The point is that what you are saying strikes some validity but cannot be solely applicable to the casual bdsm scene.

This happens everywhere.


I agree, and thank you for the appealing presentation of my words.

Unfortunately, casual bdsm is the only realm which not only refuses to discuss abuse, but hounds anyone who points it out.

That's what makes casual bdsm different from other forms of relationships. At least with the others, abuse is recognized and discussed candidly.

Casual players are the only ones I know in denial, and thus they increase the likelihood others will be abused.

quote:


(i also noticed that you refer to a female submissive in your profile so you do have a targeted audience, just to let ya know)


~smile~

Yes, I am a het male seeking a lady.

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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/17/2010 8:09:25 PM   
lovingpet


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Status: offline 		OP:  Thank you for putting that section up for me.  I don't quite see how it defines casual, but I think it delineates some difference between bdsm and abuse, healthy partners vs unhealthy ones, etc.  The problem I am still seeing is that, in being selective about things, a person could have a "casual", not a full on relationship encounter and still be in a safe, healthy situation as described above.  There are folks in my local community and right here on these boards that I would LOVE to do a one (or more) time session with because I know they are healthy, safe counterparts and they would likely be more than willing as well because they view me in the same light.  There will never be a relationship in the more intimate sense, but we can still connect in a positive manner.  It will NEVER in a million years be like the connection that exists with my intimates, but that is specifically why they are my intimates in the first place.  We have bonded on a level far beyond bdsm, sex, and D/s.  Still, I would leave a session with any of these people I have in mind on good terms and better for the experiences and hopefully they would as well.  I don't know if that makes my position or my confusion more clear, but I hope it was something worth reading.

lovingpet 

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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/17/2010 8:11:26 PM   
xxblushesxx


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Status: offline 		Two and a half years ago you said this: (oh wait...thanks RedMagic for an hour of my life I can't get back...) ok, you said this: "I am confused why so many insist their way is the only way in which to handle death, and that as it was for them, it must be so for me.

I'd have thought those exposed to all the variations of lifestyle and relationship such as exists under the BDSM umbrella would see the dangers in declaring "One True Way" for dealing with death.

It would seem there are actually very few who understand that."

Insert relationships for the word death, and you'll have answered your own argument(s).

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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/17/2010 8:13:23 PM   
BLoved


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ORIGINAL: lovingpet
I hope it was something worth reading.


Some people learn the easy way. Some people learn the hard way.

It isn't for me to decide what way a person learns. I can only share the truth I've learned.

What you do is up to you.


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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/17/2010 8:15:50 PM   
lovingpet


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Status: offline 		You are right.  It is.  I think I was mistaken about the purpose of your post.  I thought it was something you actually wanted to discuss.

lovingpet

*quietly just bows out of this thread*

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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/17/2010 8:17:51 PM   
BLoved


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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

Two and a half years ago you said this: (oh wait...thanks RedMagic for an hour of my life I can't get back...) ok, you said this: "I am confused why so many insist their way is the only way in which to handle death, and that as it was for them, it must be so for me.

I'd have thought those exposed to all the variations of lifestyle and relationship such as exists under the BDSM umbrella would see the dangers in declaring "One True Way" for dealing with death.

It would seem there are actually very few who understand that."

Insert relationships for the word death, and you'll have answered your own argument(s).


~smile~

Apples and oranges.

If you wish to argue that because I have convictions regarding casual bdsm then I must be equally rigid in every other way, you are pursing fallacious reasoning.

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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/17/2010 8:19:38 PM   
Jeffff


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Status: offline 		Bob?... was your theory developed while living in mom's basement?

Does she still yell down the stairs when dinner is ready?


Jeff

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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/17/2010 8:20:57 PM   
BLoved


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ORIGINAL: lovingpet

You are right.  It is.  I think I was mistaken about the purpose of your post.  I thought it was something you actually wanted to discuss.

lovingpet

*quietly just bows out of this thread*


Perhaps.

The purpose of this thread is an introduction. It was not my intent to turn this into a debate on the pros and cons of a loving, committed relationship.

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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/17/2010 8:22:05 PM   
alicenwondrland


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Status: offline 		As much as I desperately want to continue detesting this board, I find myself...detesting this board and also loving the pure gold that issues from its wondrous backside. I just *can't* stay away.

OP- I am sure there are better forums to proselytize your Love-Only BDSM religion than here...oh say, at airports, Doors concerts, 1967, Charlie Rose...

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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/17/2010 8:25:02 PM   
xxblushesxx


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ORIGINAL: BLoved


quote:

ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

Two and a half years ago you said this: (oh wait...thanks RedMagic for an hour of my life I can't get back...) ok, you said this: "I am confused why so many insist their way is the only way in which to handle death, and that as it was for them, it must be so for me.

I'd have thought those exposed to all the variations of lifestyle and relationship such as exists under the BDSM umbrella would see the dangers in declaring "One True Way" for dealing with death.

It would seem there are actually very few who understand that."

Insert relationships for the word death, and you'll have answered your own argument(s).


~smile~

Apples and oranges.

If you wish to argue that because I have convictions regarding casual bdsm then I must be equally rigid in every other way, you are pursing fallacious reasoning.


You are welcome to have your convictions. Your judgmental assinineness is where we part ways. So, basically, if others judge (any area where they don't agree with yours) they are not 'true'?
Oh, and your repeated requests for others to read your journal and/or profile makes me wonder if you are owned by a goose.

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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/17/2010 8:27:28 PM   
thishereboi


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how do you hope to convince me of anything?


Hate to burst your little bubble, but I have no desire to convince you of anything.


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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/17/2010 8:29:54 PM   
WinsomeDefiance


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Love, love

You make me feel like a sticky pistil...
leading into a stamen
You make me feel like a mister sunshine...
Himself
You make me feel like splendor in the grass...
while we're rollin'...
Damn skippy baby
You make me feel like the Amazon's runnin' between...
my thighs

CHORUS:

You make me feel love, love, love, love, love
love, love, love, love, love
You make me feel love, love, love, love, love
love, love, love, love

You make me feel like a candy apple
Red and horny
You make me feel like I wanna be a dumb blonde
In a centerfold, the girl next door
And I would open the door and...
I'd be all wet
With my tits soaking through this tiny little t-shirt...
That I'm wearing
And you would open the door and tie...
Me up to the bed

Chorus

Lover, I don't know who I am
Am I Barry White? Am I Isis?
Lover, I'm laced with your unconscious
Oh baby babe babe baby
I will be your Desdemona ahhhhh...

Take your time...

You make me feel Ahaa
You make me feel WooWoo baby
You make me feel Ahaa mmm
You make me feel loved

Feelin Love
Paula Cole

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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/17/2010 8:30:23 PM   
BLoved


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ORIGINAL: alicenwondrland
OP- I am sure there are better forums to proselytize your Love-Only BDSM religion than here...oh say, at airports, Doors concerts, 1967, Charlie Rose...


quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff
Bob?... was your theory developed while living in mom's basement?

Does she still yell down the stairs when dinner is ready?

Jeff


Isn't it odd that so many advocates of casual bdsm need to stoop to such levels to demonstrate just how afraid they are that anyone might listen?

Pathetic that people who might want to be considered mature and responsible in a casual bdsm setting should portray their personal accomplishments in such a poor light.

Imagine how they behave when not in the public eye.

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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/17/2010 8:34:51 PM   
SDFemDom4cuck


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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

quote:

ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

The next time DG and I bang Jo.... we will mention Levels name................. it seems like the right thing to do.




O.o. Jeff


Promise???

If it's a repeat performance of last time does that still make it casual sex? What will the OP think?

Perhaps he's just jealous that other's have the opportunity to have casual sex.



If we were to don tuxedos would that make it formal?


Should they be leather tuxedos?


Woof!


Jeff


Oooh a leather tuxedo eh? All the weal Doms have leather pants at least. So much better than cashmere.

Good Boy! *pats Jeffwey's widdle head*

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She dealt her pretty words like Blades -
How glittering they shone -
And every One unbared a Nerve
Or wantoned with a Bone -

I want a sensitive man - one who'll cry when I hit him.

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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/17/2010 8:40:47 PM   
JonnieBoy


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Pirate





Edited for punctuation reasons only .... it still says "Plank"

Yewr ffriwndlly lwylly Pyrate. .

I'd have tried something nasty for fun  ... but those sonics are hard to find in some linguistics, so you're stuck with me smiling in a "versatile" way.

Piss off if you're not a legend ... let's get the caber out !

Pirate


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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/17/2010 8:46:52 PM   
alicenwondrland


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ORIGINAL: BLoved

quote:

ORIGINAL: alicenwondrland
OP- I am sure there are better forums to proselytize your Love-Only BDSM religion than here...oh say, at airports, Doors concerts, 1967, Charlie Rose...


quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff
Bob?... was your theory developed while living in mom's basement?

Does she still yell down the stairs when dinner is ready?

Jeff


Isn't it odd that so many advocates of casual bdsm need to stoop to such levels to demonstrate just how afraid they are that anyone might listen?

Pathetic that people who might want to be considered mature and responsible in a casual bdsm setting should portray their personal accomplishments in such a poor light.

Imagine how they behave when not in the public eye.


I doubt anyone is really an *advocate* of  "casual BDSM" ..... it's simply about choice. I am not sure exactly what your retort here is, or "when not in the public eye" means, and I am not insulting your theory/religion/dogma/worldview but rather saying that it's nothing revolutionary. My point was basically, that it doesn't appear that your "religion" is catching on here and could be better served by other groups of people, or writing a book, or something.




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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/17/2010 8:52:52 PM   
BLoved


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ORIGINAL: alicenwondrland


I think the difference is rather clear.

Whereas I am addressing mature and responsible adults, most others in this thread are addressing the denizens of a high school locker room.

Should I be surprised the casual advocates set their sites no higher? They are certainly not going to convince anyone who is mature and responsible.

They're not even making the effort ;)


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