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Lucienne -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/19/2010 2:30:59 PM)
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http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3072233
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ORIGINAL: alicenwondrland
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What I can't agree with is the implicit assumption that anyone reading or responding to you would necessarily be following all your drama.
WOW! I said EXACTLY the opposite: "....please think for a minute about the context that I may be attacking these people in- that is, you may have not seen ALL that that person may have said to me. I *rarely* read even the entire page, and *never* read the entire thread."
I specifically quoted and responded to " I do NOT comprehend how this is not obvious to anyone following any of this drama." Which I read, I think reasonably so, to mean that you didn't understand why it was necessary for you to offer clarifications as to why people were insulting you and why you responded the way you did. But since my comments were about one particular "insult" launched at you, and I think I made it clear that I didn't care what the origins of the dispute were, I'm not sure what benefit there is to working out this particular interpretive point.
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I am fully aware that much of the attacks on my physical appearance probably stemmed from people reading only the previous page or so and assuming I was the foremost attacker of people's looks, or that I had somehow touted how I was a perfect 10 or some such thing- in order to fairly garner ALL the vicious personal attacks I was getting "oh you are NOT that hot..sort of attitude (some state they are sorry now. *shrugs*). MEANING: I assume people only saw A BIT of what happened and made faulty conclusions about me and how to react to me. Trust me I get it.
http://www.collarchat.com/m_3071215/mpage_55/key_/tm.htm#3075966
So I do NOT know why you think I assumed everyone was "following all my drama".
I already explained why I thought you had that assumption. Regardless, my concern was with the gender identity insult, not the larger nonsense.
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...until you stated that I had made a "mean first post." A statement that confused and amused me for assorted reasons I don't need to go into now.
Honestly? what the heck are you talking about? I am glad something that doesn't make sense amuses you; it just annoys me. Different personalities.
Talking about this:
http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3072233
Confusing, because it was not my first post or the first post in the thread. Amusing, because of the suggestion that the ordinal position of one's post in the thread has a qualitative effect on its meanness. Mine was not just a mean post. It was a mean first post.
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And just as I don't really care why people decided it was an awesome idea to start insulting you by calling you a biological male, the number of people who were really really mean to you before you started flinging shallow and silly insults around doesn't change my opinion that your insults are shallow and silly.
Agreed entirely. However- two things- ALL my insults were not shallow and silly. In fact, as I explained in the above post (the link)- I ONLY RESORTED to such insults once someone has shown themselves to be quite vicious, and when I believe part of their viciousness stems from jealousy of me.
You know... you really seem to have sufficient intelligence and sense of humor to be getting along much better here than you actually are. For now, I'm going to refrain from analyzing or commenting on your two part "Acceptable Time to Insult" test.
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Further, only a person out of touch with reality or almost sociopathic could not understand how a woman would not freak out and become very, very hurt or enraged by a strong (17 pages worth) of getting called ugly, manly, anorexic, big nosed, crazy idiot, etc. etc.
It would be one thing if people were following you around like paparazzi hurling insults at you, but come on...do you really think there would've been 17 pages of insults in that thread if you hadn't been reading and responding? If you hadn't read the insults, would you be hurt or enraged? This drama was avoidable. I can certainly understand, emotionally, why you chose to stay and bicker. But I also think you need to take responsibility, intellectually, for needlessly exposing yourself to harm. I just now read the first two pages of the thread and agree that the initial shots would seem out of left-field to you. But this wasn't some beat-down in an alley where you couldn't walk away. If you're going to stay on the field of battle, you should be prepared to fight.
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So you can remain on your purported moral highground all you want,
{snicker} It's not "moral highground" as much as "Han shot first."
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but this is the way things are here on this board. Some of the most despiccable behavior, issuing from some of the most despiccable people- looks-wise, intelligence-wise, morally, socially- people filled with insecurity, a predatory nature, and not very in touch with reality. It is clear and if I have to spell this out so much for people who are in denial then. EVERYONE KNOWS what happens on the internet. On bathroom walls. Anywhere that is open to EVERYONE and where people who work very hard in their daily life to "fit in" no longer have to.
Would you please take a minute and think about what it says about you that you would categorize someone's looks or intelligence as despicable? Other than that... yeah, the internet is full of social malcontents. And people do frequently let loose on the internet. That doesn't mean that everyone who isn't farting rainbows and casting rose petals at your feet is this awful person that you've envisioned. Given your advanced age and apparent intelligence, I would've expected you to have moved beyond a "you're just jealous" analysis of negative/hostile feedback.
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If I'm calling someone a dumbshit it's because I think they're a dumbshit, it's not because they called me a bitch first.
I am not impressed by your sophistry- you seem to be under the impression that I somehow never *actually* meant the insults I'd said. I did. But I SAID them, which was wrong and petty. If I find someone hideous on many levels, I am not going to SAY it unless they start bullying or harassing me. So. I don't really see your point here.
Lol. I hadn't given much thought to your sincerity. But I'm sure there are others who appreciate you affirming it now. If you think it's wrong to express your petty opinions then you shouldn't be expressing them. It shouldn't matter if they bullied you first. I'm not sure you know what sophistry is. This seems like a pretty basic "two wrongs don't make a right." My personal position is that insulting someone isn't inherently wrong, so I don't require the fig leaf of being insulted first to feel justified in my insult.
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