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RE: UN Attempting to Superceed the 2nd Amendment - 2/19/2010 2:16:05 AM

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Governments because of war, but people need to do like Ali and refuse to go fight wars of aggression like Vietnam or Iraq.

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RE: UN Attempting to Superceed the 2nd Amendment - 2/19/2010 2:38:02 AM

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What's scary is there are too many people with guns killing innocents and threatening violence. So happiness is a warm gun for you huh?

What's scary is there are so many people who want to take guns away from ordinary citizens (not criminals and thugs who will always find a way to get guns to better themselves in their chosen line of work) leaving us ordinary, law-abiding citizens defenseless. Thank God there were at least 2 or 3 percent of the population who felt as I do way back on April 19, 1775. If not for these men standing up against all odds, we would not have broke lose from an oppressive government and formed these here United States.

Here are a few things for your perusing pleasure, take your pick of which one is more appropriate for you:

An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.

A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.

Colt Peacemaker: The original point and click interface.

Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.

If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?

If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.

Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

Those who trade liberty for security have neither.

The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.

What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand
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The Second Amendment is in place in case they ignore the others.

64,999,987 firearm owners killed no one yesterday.

Guns only have two enemies: Rust and Politicians.

Know guns, Know peace and safety. No guns, no peace nor safety.

You don't shoot to kill; You shoot to stay alive.

911 – government sponsored Dial a Prayer.

Assault is a behavior, not a device.

Criminals love gun control – it makes their jobs safer.

If Guns cause Crime, then Matches cause Arson.

Only a government that is afraid of it's citizens tries to control them.

You have only the rights you are willing to fight for.

Enforce the "gun control laws" in place, don't make more.

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RE: UN Attempting to Superceed the 2nd Amendment - 2/19/2010 3:05:22 AM

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the UN is attempting to superceed the 2nd Ammendment of the US Constitution without an ammendment, permission of the states, or the people. And it only takes 51 votes in the Senate.

Nonsense.

Nice reply, short and to the point.

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RE: UN Attempting to Superceed the 2nd Amendment - 2/19/2010 5:05:10 AM

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ORIGINAL: Brain

What's scary is there are too many people with guns killing innocents and threatening violence. So happiness is a warm gun for you huh?

What's scary is there are so many people who want to take guns away from ordinary citizens (not criminals and thugs who will always find a way to get guns to better themselves in their chosen line of work) leaving us ordinary, law-abiding citizens defenseless. Thank God there were at least 2 or 3 percent of the population who felt as I do way back on April 19, 1775. If not for these men standing up against all odds, we would not have broke lose from an oppressive government and formed these here United States.

Here are a few things for your perusing pleasure, take your pick of which one is more appropriate for you:

An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.

A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.

Colt Peacemaker: The original point and click interface.

Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.

If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?

If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.

Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

Those who trade liberty for security have neither.

The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.

What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand
.
The Second Amendment is in place in case they ignore the others.

64,999,987 firearm owners killed no one yesterday.

Guns only have two enemies: Rust and Politicians.

Know guns, Know peace and safety. No guns, no peace nor safety.

You don't shoot to kill; You shoot to stay alive.

911 – government sponsored Dial a Prayer.

Assault is a behavior, not a device.

Criminals love gun control – it makes their jobs safer.

If Guns cause Crime, then Matches cause Arson.

Only a government that is afraid of it's citizens tries to control them.

You have only the rights you are willing to fight for.

Enforce the "gun control laws" in place, don't make more.

What's scary is there are so many idiots who believe that babble about everyone trying to take their guns.

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RE: UN Attempting to Superceed the 2nd Amendment - 2/19/2010 5:27:54 AM

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If this story were true, dont you all think the NRA would have been all over it?

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RE: UN Attempting to Superceed the 2nd Amendment - 2/19/2010 6:27:36 AM

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Death by guns is at its lowest in history. Accidental deaths are at there all time low in fifty years. Americans own more guns now then at any time in history, the economy is in the shitter, and guess what, violent crime is on the decrease along with gun crime.

Just something to give you an idea, 50% of all gun deaths are suicides. More folks die from negligent doctors(overworked, under the influence, insurance company calls) every year than guns. More folks die in car accidents than guns. More kids die drowning in pools than by guns. More folks get stabbed to death than shot.

Gun homicides, where the objective is unjustified murder accounts for less than 20% of all gun deaths. Where do those gun deaths happen. Largely in poor non-white neighborhoods, largely in states with stiff pro-Nazi gun control laws. Harvard has released studies on it. The department of justice has released studies on it. The FBI have released studies on it. They won't go as far as to say that more guns equal less crime, but they do say that more guns don't equal more crime. Look up Kennesaw county in Georgia(one of the safest places in the country, next to the states of New Hampshire, Vermont and Utah). The reality is that the worst the score the Brady Campaign gives you, the safer your state is.

For the 20th century, the biggest killer was governments that disarmed their citizens than committed wholesale murder. A lot of those governments are now members in the U.N.. Communism and their policies of disarming the public have been the cause of more deaths than any plague, disease, or weapon of mass destruction. The U.N. is largely made up of socialist nations(a nicer way of saying Communisim, and they are beginning to fail), maybe it's all coincidence but I'm not too trusting.

The U.N. is unnecesary to America now, the Soviets lost, when the Cold War ended we should have started a new offshoott that was made up of nations that had genuine democracies and not tolerated the membership of nations that are fascists, despots, and communists.

The whole of the U.N. is far more expendable than my 2nd amendment right. A small free nation(think Switzerland) is a far better thing than a world full of slavery.

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RE: UN Attempting to Superceed the 2nd Amendment - 2/19/2010 6:39:20 AM

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What's scary is there are so many idiots who believe that babble about everyone trying to take their guns.

As I've already stated, I for one am very glad there were such "idiots" around when they came to take the guns April 19, 1775. It was only around 2 percent of the population at that time who resisted. Which I venture to guess if something like that were to happen now, it would be about the same percentage of people resisting.

The story in the original post has been around for quite a long while now. But there is more than enough reasons for why some "idiots" believe in the possibility of such happening is because its happened before, as recently as the aftermath of hurricane Katrina. What's scary is there are so many people who would just idly set by and let it happen without uttering a word. Much like little sheep being led astray. Actually that's more sad than scary. If you haven't lived long enough to learn that politicians are certainly capable of denying American citizens of constitutional rights, then I can't help you.

The UN is a club for governments, not for representing the people. Otherwise, they wouldn't sit by while genocide goes on, wringing their hands saying "Naughty! Naughty governmet" to the government doing the slaughtering.

So what is it that governments fear most? People who can stand up and say "No!" and make it stick. To do that, people need guns.

If you disarm the people, you make the world safe for despotic governments.

Face it... they are ALL politicians. They simply do not have the same goals, methods or principles as those who want to be truly free. They all want CONTROL, in various degrees, not liberty and justice for all. This isn't some scheming bs that an "idiot" dreamed up. It's been happening all around us for far too many years for folks not to notice at least somethings afoul.

It seems that politicians are a different species altogether, especially once they get into power. You shouldn't expect horses to crow or dandelions to taste like steak.

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RE: UN Attempting to Superceed the 2nd Amendment - 2/19/2010 6:47:35 AM

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What's scary is there are so many idiots who believe that babble about everyone trying to take their guns.

As I've already stated, I for one am very glad there were such "idiots" around when they came to take the guns April 19, 1775. It was only around 2 percent of the population at that time who resisted. Which I venture to guess if something like that were to happen now, it would be about the same percentage of people resisting.

The story in the original post has been around for quite a long while now. But there is more than enough reasons for why some "idiots" believe in the possibility of such happening is because its happened before, as recently as the aftermath of hurricane Katrina. What's scary is there are so many people who would just idly set by and let it happen without uttering a word. Much like little sheep being led astray. Actually that's more sad than scary. If you haven't lived long enough to learn that politicians are not capable of denying American citizens of constitutional rights, then I can't help you.

The UN is a club for governments, not for representing the people. Otherwise, they wouldn't sit by while genocide goes on, wringing their hands saying "Naughty! Naughty governmet" to the government doing the slaughtering.

So what is it that governments fear most? People who can stand up and say "No!" and make it stick. To do that, people need guns.

If you disarm the people, you make the world safe for despotic governments.

Face it... they are ALL politicians. They simply do not have the same goals, methods or principles as those who want to be truly free. They all want CONTROL, in various degrees, not liberty and justice for all. This isn't some scheming bs that an "idiot" dreamed up. It's been happening all around us for far too many years for folks not to notice at least somethings afoul.

It seems that politicians are a different species altogether, especially once they get into power. You shouldn't expect horses to crow or dandelions to taste like steak.

No, it's pretty much because they're idiots and willing to believe anything some fool post on the internet no matter how ridiculous it is.

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RE: UN Attempting to Superceed the 2nd Amendment - 2/19/2010 6:50:35 AM

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hahaha- a "legal dealer" LOLOL.

yeah right.

LIKE ME. I AM A LEGAL DEALER.

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RE: UN Attempting to Superceed the 2nd Amendment - 2/19/2010 6:52:33 AM

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No, it's pretty much because they're idiots and willing to believe anything some fool post on the internet no matter how ridiculous it is.

Unfortunately there are some who seem to thrive on believing practically anything someone says, or posts on the internet, without ever doing any research for themselves. Its not like we don't have access to such, particularly if someone is reading something posted on the internet.

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RE: UN Attempting to Superceed the 2nd Amendment - 2/19/2010 6:55:38 AM

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The link came from their regular e-mail service to which I suscribe. For those interested in the military and it's going on's it contains lots of useful info.

You should be more concerned about the zombies that will eat your brains to gain your knowledge. Can you imagine how pissed off those zombies are going to be?

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RE: UN Attempting to Superceed the 2nd Amendment - 2/19/2010 7:23:05 AM

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Death by guns is at its lowest in history. Accidental deaths are at there all time low in fifty years. Americans own more guns now then at any time in history, the economy is in the shitter, and guess what, violent crime is on the decrease along with gun crime.

Just something to give you an idea, 50% of all gun deaths are suicides. More folks die from negligent doctors(overworked, under the influence, insurance company calls) every year than guns. More folks die in car accidents than guns. More kids die drowning in pools than by guns. More folks get stabbed to death than shot.

Gun homicides, where the objective is unjustified murder accounts for less than 20% of all gun deaths.

I note that all these numbers are relative. "lowest in history" doesn't mean much when you start from astronomical numbers.

Truth is that gun homicides are extremely high in the USA when compared to any country with saner laws - even countries that are very comparable in every other respect.

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Where do those gun deaths happen. Largely in poor non-white neighborhoods, largely in states with stiff pro-Nazi gun control laws. Harvard has released studies on it. The department of justice has released studies on it. The FBI have released studies on it. They won't go as far as to say that more guns equal less crime, but they do say that more guns don't equal more crime. Look up Kennesaw county in Georgia(one of the safest places in the country, next to the states of New Hampshire, Vermont and Utah). The reality is that the worst the score the Brady Campaign gives you, the safer your state is.

Get your facts straight. There is no "Kennesaw County" in Georgia. Maybe you were thinking of a tiny village called "Kennesaw"? It's high-income, almost exclusively white, and certainly as far removed from your "poor non-white neighborhoods" as you can get. And what is that anyway - do gun deaths matter less when they happen to blacks?

As for the studies, truth is, these studies don't say it because it plain ain't true. Guns in the hands of too many people tend to turn a random burglary into a murder.

Which town would you rather live in? One that has 100 crimes or one that has 80 crimes? What if I told you that the 100 crimes were all simple burglaries, and of the 80 crimes, 30 burglaries had turned deadly and become murders?

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RE: UN Attempting to Superceed the 2nd Amendment - 2/19/2010 8:00:02 AM

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Let's get straight on one thing. I have the right to protect myself, with guns. If you want to change that get in your time machine and debate with the founders of this country. We are unique in that respect and that is one of the reason I will never leave this country.

The government has no obligation to protect you, and the supreme court has ruled this. Now who is obligated to protect you ? You are. Now let me ask you this, do you expect your mechanic to fix your car without the proper tools ?

A gun is a killing tool, plain and simple. That seems to scare the sheeple. In the herd mentality, people without the self control needed to keep and bear arms project their weaknesses upon others. This was described in a detailed article (by a psychiatrist) on JPFO.org. Yes, I dragged my knuckles over to a site called "Jews For The Preservation Of Firearm Ownership". This projection is a method of protection for a weak mind, and a healthy dose of ignorance. They feel like shooting someone over a parking place so they assume their neighbors will do the same. Therefore we all need to be controlled. This is simply a replacement for some for the vacuum created by the absence of religious control.

People generally want to be controlled, and until you understand that you will not understand this. Being under control equates to a safe environment for them, while patently untrue, that is the way they see it.

An example would be when someone goes postal or some kid shoots up his schoolmates. Some will always raise the question "Where did they get the guns ?". Thuis occludes the actual problem, which is just why, regardless of their imprpoer access to firearms, did they decide that this was their personal blaze of glory when they haven't even lived half a life. The gun is blamed.

Well with a quick trip to a chemical store (chemistry students know this) I could kill alot more than I could hope to with the bext automatic weapon. Yet the gun is blamed. This is illogical and therefore must be the product of brainwashing. You get used to it, I will not.

There is no stronger opinion on this subject than mine, sorry. No argument will work against my stance, because guns are what separates us from the rest of the world. Guns are one of the few reasons I stay here, as the economy crumbles and the ensuing mess.

The city, the county, the state and the US government can go fuck themselves. I couldn't care less what the UN says, the bunch of molesting tyrant prick motherfuckers that they are. Fuck it, shoot them first. Them and a bunch of Priests. All a bunch of hypocrites who have many people under their spell. Well they ain't never met a motherfucker quite like me.

Bring it up, go on. "What if someone killed your Mother with an illegal gun ?". Well I'll tell you what, the day that SOB gets out of prison there will be a N_____ popping up out of a bowl of rice to cap the motherfucker, ala Pulp Fiction. And that's only if they get him before I do. We live in a world of death. Those who realize it can deal with it. The rest, be happy on your planet.

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RE: UN Attempting to Superceed the 2nd Amendment - 2/19/2010 8:25:41 AM

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They always try to do that via treaty or something. The UN fully supports anti-hemp laws, and that is one of the reasons it is so hard to get legalized. They also granted consultant status to NAMBLA in years past. They need to go.

The United Nations granted consultant status to NAMBLA?

Please do tell us more.

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RE: UN Attempting to Superceed the 2nd Amendment - 2/19/2010 8:34:13 AM

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Your getting loonier by the post

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RE: UN Attempting to Superceed the 2nd Amendment - 2/19/2010 8:44:23 AM

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I'm astounded by the gullibility of Internet browsers--the people kind. And God help us, if a link is sent in an email, it's Gospel!

From there, the twisted, tangled arguments and propped up justifications start.

Use your heads. The UN is a toothless organization completely incapable of implementing such an action.

That anyone would give this and similar headlines even a second glance is what scares me.

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RE: UN Attempting to Superceed the 2nd Amendment - 2/19/2010 11:29:08 AM

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I'm astounded by the gullibility of Internet browsers--the people kind. And God help us, if a link is sent in an email, it's Gospel!

From there, the twisted, tangled arguments and propped up justifications start.

Use your heads. The UN is a toothless organization completely incapable of implementing such an action.

That anyone would give this and similar headlines even a second glance is what scares me.

I have to agree with MM here. I'm a big believer in the 2nd Amendment and a gun owner and I have much more concern over the city or state legislating away my rights through "well-meaning" restrictions and/or bans than I do any chance of the United Nations doing anything at all in this area. The UN is pretty much a joke. The UN enforcing a nationwide firearms ban in the United States isn't even a Handgun Control Inc. pipe dream.

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RE: UN Attempting to Superceed the 2nd Amendment - 2/19/2010 2:11:18 PM

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I wonder which kills more, governments with guns or people with guns?

Hell, a monkey could kill you if it got hold of a gun...

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RE: UN Attempting to Superceed the 2nd Amendment - 2/19/2010 2:17:51 PM

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supersede (or supercede if you must) for fucks sake, if you are gonna be a whacko, for fucks sake learn not to drool, its unappealing enough.

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RE: UN Attempting to Superceed the 2nd Amendment - 2/19/2010 2:48:47 PM

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Kennesaw County, yes my mistake. Oh by the way http://www.examiner.com/x-5619-Atlanta-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m2d18-Open-carry-deters-armed-robbery-in-Kennesaw, for your enjoyment.

I've been an almost-victim several times in my life. Mostly in Miami, a couple times in New Orleans, and once while in Mechanicsburg(spelling) Pennsylvania. Twice I've had guns pointed in my face, one time I had a gun on me to take them out but it was easier to just grab the gun and punch them in the throat. Other times it's been scum with knives that i've had to send to the hospital. Active-cooperation as the liberals and cowards have suggested, has only proven to encourage criminals to be more sadistic, homicidal, and rape bent. Where people resist, their chances of being harmed is far less. Where people resist with guns it their chances of being harmed drops immensely. Yeah are largely white only areas free of crime, yep, that's not my fault. You want to solve the other problems look to the issues with welfare, poverty, free housing, education and so on before you look at the implements. Africa is pretty notorious for folks being murdered with machetes in far greater numbers than guns. Folks in Congo started fabricating their own guns and weapons(pikes, swords, axes, etc.) because the rebels were murdering them without mercy. They got armed and the rebels pissed off. The U.N. started pissing themselves over the matter but that's the U.N. and all they are good for is pissing themselves really.

There is no reason to lift to anti-2nd amendment folks. Reality proves them wrong, it's just that plain simple. I'm not going to argue with you. I'm right, you are wrong. For those that disagree, fine, I'll keep educating responsible law-abiding people and helping them become proficient sports shooters and firearm owners. Should the un-American, should the cowardly, should the foolish, take issue with that. They are welcome to their voices, but it will only fall on deaf ears. The sooner they leave the better off the real Americans are.

I trust the studies of the FBI, Department of Justice, and oh yeah I forgot the CDC. More guns does not equal more crime they have said time and time again. I refuse to trust the sayings of the weak, cowardly, foolish, and either misinformed or uninformed.

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