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What should a slave consider her worth to be? - 3/28/2006 2:29:37 PM

PookBaccus

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I was lookin for an interesting topic, I've decided to create a thread.

What should a slave consider her worth to be? Should she consider herself as of value? Should she be permited to know herself as an individual, furthermore being allowed to contextualize value in her self imagery ? How is it best to promote or squelch the image of self? What do we try to create via Objectification?

Thanks for any interesting input,
PookBaccuss

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RE: What should a slave consider her worth to be? - 3/28/2006 2:34:47 PM

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IMO a slave is worth whatever her master deems her to be worth. She should value herself as a person, in the context of belonging to her master, and feel pride and worthiness because of her service to him. As a dominant (rather than stricly a "master") I don't have much more input than that. I would just caution you perhaps that attempting to "squelch the image of self" is possibly dangerous and damaging, and could spark a few heated posts around here. Certainly, trying to repress someone from feeling any worth or usefulness, or from having any self image, shouldn't be undertaken lightly. Good luck with your discussion! :)

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RE: What should a slave consider her worth to be? - 3/28/2006 2:41:16 PM

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i'm also curious as to what, from a dominant perspective, you all might consider a submissive's worth to be, if you consider it any different from that of a slave? pook, i hope you don't mind me adding these little extras into the thread... :)

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RE: What should a slave consider her worth to be? - 3/28/2006 2:41:16 PM

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my worth is determined by my Master. i can make myself more or less valuable to him by my behavior.

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RE: What should a slave consider her worth to be? - 3/28/2006 2:47:13 PM

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I agree. I personally enjoy raising instead of depleating self imagery, value, the whole gambet of wonderfulness, so I was wondering how Objectification would be used benificially.

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RE: What should a slave consider her worth to be? - 3/28/2006 2:49:54 PM

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Strictly my opinion (yup I know I am going to get bashed from others here for my feelings and opinions. Good thing every M/s & D/s relationship is different) I am equal no more no less to My Master, it is a 50/50 relationship. To think one is less of themself or to let someone think or tell them they are less is not positive thinking, besides why would one want to be less or thought of less? slavekaren

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RE: What should a slave consider her worth to be? - 3/28/2006 2:51:04 PM

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I'm hoping people will add to the thread to help define it. Does a slave give her freedom to her Master or does He take her freedom from her?

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RE: What should a slave consider her worth to be? - 3/28/2006 2:54:44 PM

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ORIGINAL: PookBaccus
What should a slave consider her worth to be?

Good question. Depends on the relationship. But MOST people in Ds relationships feel a slave should be treated in a very spoiled way.

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Should she consider herself as of value?

I think, no matter what the circumstance, a slave should understand their value as a slave. Whether that is valued only as a breeder, only as a chore runner, only as a sexual toy, or only as a wife...the values need to be understood and agreed upon.

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Should she be permited to know herself as an individual, furthermore being allowed to contextualize value in her self imagery ?

I think for most relationships this is the most sensible way to go.

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How is it best to promote or squelch the image of self? What do we try to create via Objectification?

Thanks for any interesting input,
PookBaccuss

Rarely anything actually gets created through objectification. It's a fun game, it's a fun mindset, but it's a rare situation where a master literally wants property. In the O/p situations that exist, it's usually created simply by using the slave and maintaining an understanding that the foundations of the relationship are not based on emotions or feelings, but by simple use of property and desire of ownership.

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RE: What should a slave consider her worth to be? - 3/28/2006 2:59:19 PM

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Speaking from a Dominant's point of view. A slave is worth what she or he makes herself or himself worth. If the slave listens and learns well and complies well with the directions of their Master they are worth more than a slave who does not do as requested of their Master. I had one slave that did everything that I asked of her and if she was not sure about doing it she would ask politely and with respect about the subject and we would discuss it. She wanted to do what I wanted her to do because she knew it made her worth as a slave grow. It was a very sad day when I eventually lost that slave. I then had another slave that I was in the process of training and she would be given a request and she would simply ignor the requests. Over time it became obvious to me that she was not interested in becoming a worthy slave, that in fact all she wanted from our relationship was kinky sex and for me to tie her up with my rope. While I did enjoy that I did not enjoy having other things that are important to our relationship being ignored and overlooked by her. I ended up letting her go because she did not have the self worth much less the worth to me to keep her as my slave.

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RE: What should a slave consider her worth to be? - 3/28/2006 3:01:28 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: slavekaren88

Strictly my opinion (yup I know I am going to get bashed from others here for my feelings and opinions. Good thing every M/s & D/s relationship is different) I

I would hope that you do not get bashed, it is a valid opinion and very well stated.
Wild

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RE: What should a slave consider her worth to be? - 3/28/2006 3:14:16 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: slavekaren88

Strictly my opinion (yup I know I am going to get bashed from others here for my feelings and opinions. Good thing every M/s & D/s relationship is different) I am equal no more no less to My Master, it is a 50/50 relationship. To think one is less of themself or to let someone think or tell them they are less is not positive thinking, besides why would one want to be less or thought of less? slavekaren

Maybe you misunderstood my post? i have great value to him. i can destroy that value at my own hands, by my actions.

i said nothing about being less than him. i was comparing myself to myself, if you will.

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RE: What should a slave consider her worth to be? - 3/28/2006 3:19:23 PM

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

But MOST people in Ds relationships feel a slave should be treated in a very spoiled way.

They do??!!

Okay that's only partially joking. Only because i know you are probably right and at the same time i am far from being "spoiled" or coddled. i keep telling my Master i need to get me a sugar daddy....hahaha...he hasn't granted that yet. :)

Okay...sorry for the left turn....back on track now...

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RE: What should a slave consider her worth to be? - 3/28/2006 3:21:50 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: PookBaccus

I was lookin for an interesting topic, I've decided to create a thread.

What should a slave consider her worth to be? Should she consider herself as of value? Should she be permited to know herself as an individual, furthermore being allowed to contextualize value in her self imagery ? How is it best to promote or squelch the image of self? What do we try to create via Objectification?

Thanks for any interesting input,
PookBaccuss

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For everything else there's Master's Card .

And on a somewhat serious note: A 'slaves' worth is determined like any other persons worth - based upon the standards of the party doing the valuing. But my slave(s) are always pricless.

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RE: What should a slave consider her worth to be? - 3/28/2006 3:23:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: PookBaccus

I'm hoping people will add to the thread to help define it. Does a slave give her freedom to her Master or does He take her freedom from her?

I have always considered a slave's submission as a precious gift to her master. The idea that a master might take her freedom seems to go against the idea of consensuality. There is more to value in being given a gift freely, than to take something (by force?).

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RE: What should a slave consider her worth to be? - 3/28/2006 4:20:08 PM

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How pleasing a slave can be to her Owner is the only currency by which she is measured in worth.

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RE: What should a slave consider her worth to be? - 3/28/2006 4:32:08 PM

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the way i look at it is, if i am behaving in a pleasing manner and doing what Master says, then my worth is high.
if i am acting a brat or being displeasing in some manner then my worth lessons considerably.
as to my self-imagary, well, i have a good self-esteem, i like the woman i am and i would imagine if Master did not find some appeal in me, who i am, then he would not have me at his feet.
it is his instruction that will guide me and take me along in the manner where he chooses for the dynamic to go.
however by the same token, if a Master is dishonorable(lies to me and breaks trust) in some way, then i would not continue to kneel at his feet if i felt that it is a character defect and not a mistake.
after all we are human (even tho a girl may think of her Master as being all knowing and powerful, they are entitled to fall of the pedastal occasionally.)

as to objectification, what is there to create if one is serving as a table for Masters dinner? i am doing what i am told to do.(perhaps i do not understand this concept).

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RE: What should a slave consider her worth to be? - 3/28/2006 4:58:23 PM

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But MOST people in Ds relationships feel a slave should be treated in a very spoiled way.

Interesting. I know very few D/s couples which fit that description and for those who are the closest to Master and me, none of them do.

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RE: What should a slave consider her worth to be? - 3/28/2006 5:24:19 PM

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Rarely do I post in this forum but this is one subject to which I felt compelled to reply. The value of a slave or submissive is determined by their Dominant's PERCEPTION. What and who I value and to what levels is a matter of my perception. I have seen many a worthy slave or submissive be treated worse than their owner's 8 year old vehicle. Their owner perceived their value to be substancially less than their other possessions. Now, that being expressed, I must rant on for a minute more. The self-perception of a slave or submissive should be built to the highest possible level. If I own a vehicle, I am going to do what is necessary to ensure it is the best vehicle it can be, I attend to its needs so it can continue to fulfill its function and purpose in being my vehicle. Retorically, why would any dominant what their slave or submissive to be less than best? A poorly maintained vehicle is a reflection of its owner. The same can be said of a poorly maintained slave or submissive. A caviate to this is: I have never had a vehicle drive itself into a wall. Those slaves and submissives that actively and purposfully engage in self destructive behaviors, even after dilligent intervention, are more likely to require professional assistance to "be all they can be" and until those issues are addressed are not likely to willing or able to fulfill thier function and purpose in a BDSM relationship.

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RE: What should a slave consider her worth to be? - 3/28/2006 5:26:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
Interesting. I know very few D/s couples which fit that description and for those who are the closest to Master and me, none of them do.

Celeste

I'm using spoiled as compared to recent historical slavery.

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RE: What should a slave consider her worth to be? - 3/28/2006 5:47:17 PM

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Precisely what value her Master places on her or what he has paid for her (I.E the cost of acquiring her). That said you are being ripped off if you pay more than a few copper tasks or max price 5 copper tarns.. Unless she is one of the rare few.

Any other value she gathers under your handling is pure profit when and if you sell her.

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