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ORIGINAL: Lorenzo19
hurt meant anything that hurts physically be it for punishment or just for fun. yes physically. In hind sight I should have said physically but it was too late to edit the OP when I realized the error. emotional and spiritual pain are outside of the scope of the question.

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If the end goal is not to fuck me, then I'm sure I could handle whatever a Dom like you wanted to dole out, Whip. Bring it on

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ORIGINAL: Lorenzo19

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If the end goal is not to fuck me, then I'm sure I could handle whatever a Dom like you wanted to dole out, Whip. Bring it on

Whip, you gunna take jujubee up on her offer? As the World Turns.

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ORIGINAL: Lorenzo19

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and not even keeping within the kink boundaries. You're not asking about general BDSM, you're asking about general gender.

Easy stuff first. Right, I am asking about general gender. But it is in the boundries of BDSM because D stand for discipline. discipline hurts.

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but really... all girls, Lorenzo? If I said "do all men need to be hurt, to keep them sweet and innocent?" what would you say? What if I said "maybe all men just need the moral guidance of a girl to make them more human"? A truer statement than the opposite, in my opinion, but still misguided and inappropriate because it's a commentary on a large group of people,

Good question. perhaps they do. Perhaps anyone M or F in the relationship can take the responsibility for the moral high ground for the others m or f. Perhaps it is like Whiplash stated 80-20. Men are the Moral voice and weild the paddle in 80% of D/s relationshios. (Granted that was his seat of the pants estimate. lacking anything more accurate for the sake of argument.)

I dont know what % of D/s relationships are Male led. I would like to know. Because it seems almost all Dom Males have said theier girls need to be hurt. If the satement "little girls need to be hurt" is true in 80% of relationships. I would say it is generally true. little boys need to be hurt is the exception.

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And ps, I do NOT respond well to regular doses of pain and definitely do not become sweeter. Trust me

Have you tried it or just supposing? no matter. If it hasn't worked or will not work is only because you have not yielded. My girl thought she had a cast iron butt and could be unyielding forever. I proved her wrong by doubling the punishment each time. It quickly got into the thousands. she yielded, learned and became sweet. in that order.

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ORIGINAL: HisSweetElysium

There's something very special about being a big girl for Daddy and Him spanking me to tears, then consoling me, telling me how good I was.  There's a different kind of "head-fuckery" that goes on when Daddy says He's going to hurt His little girl because He wants to, and don't you want to make your Daddy happy? If I'm in that head space though, emotional/psychological hurting is very very bad and it's not something He or I need to experience to know that. 

We have a different sort of dynamic, very fluid, Master/slave, Daddy/little girl, verbal debate sparring partners, and everything in between.  There is no "and now we're going to be this way" it just comes from understanding the communication and energy that flows between us, and the words, tone and feelings that we are attuned to in each other, which dictates the direction of our dynamic from moment to moment.  There are other opportunities for Him to play with emotional/psychological pain outside the D/lg piece of us, so there is no need for those things to overlap.  Others may handle it differently, but this is what works for us.  

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ORIGINAL: Lorenzo19

I'm asking this from a Daddy Dom persective. But, I suppose it would relate to most any fem sub lifestyle.


Do little girls need to be hurt regularly? If so, why or why not? (excluding pain sluts and pain objects. just little girls in general.)


I know My opinion and pretty sure I'm right about it. A lifelong little girl told Me this a few years back and it really made Me think. I am still thinking about it but not wrestling with it if you know what I mean. So, really, I'm just looking for stimualting ideas on the subject.

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ORIGINAL: Lorenzo19

I'm still making up My mind because of two opposing forces. One force says "yes, yes, yes ALL girls". The other force says "yeah but that's an absolute and it sounds sexist, which offends My sensibilities".

But, some absolutes are true or at least true 99.999999%. And this absolute is yet to be proved false. One girl was opposed to it but yet never experienced it so has no practical knowledge. Everyone says "I'm sure there are girls out there who would not benefit from being hurt regularly" but these girls remain elusive and unidentified.

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ORIGINAL: jujubeeMB

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ORIGINAL: Lorenzo19

I'm still making up My mind because of two opposing forces. One force says "yes, yes, yes ALL girls". The other force says "yeah but that's an absolute and it sounds sexist, which offends My sensibilities".

But, some absolutes are true or at least true 99.999999%. And this absolute is yet to be proved false. One girl was opposed to it but yet never experienced it so has no practical knowledge. Everyone says "I'm sure there are girls out there who would not benefit from being hurt regularly" but these girls remain elusive and unidentified.

Look. I can name about fifty girls who, when you bump into them, are like "ow!" and get mad. Most vanilla women would be pissed off at your generalization, and vanilla women are a huge amount of the population. If you hurt a vanilla woman on a regular basis, she'd have fantastic grounds for legal action, and nothing good would come out of any of it. So you're just asking about submissive girls in this lifestyle, really, because as far as I know, Dommes are not into being hurt on a regular basis. When you get down to the group of girls that are submissive, you then have to divide out the sub sect that doesn't like any pain, and trust me, there are quite a few of those (myself included). What you have left is quite a large number of submissive, kinky women who enjoy pain. That's the group of girls that you could argue would benefit greatly from regular doses of pain. Then, of course, you get into LadyPact's argument, which is even more nuanced: the debate over how pain should be used - if used regularly, it may be detrimental to some, where others would flourish. And the flourishing group of kinky, submissive, pain-loving girls is the only group that you can make your generalization about, if you must.

The reason none of the others are coming to argue about this is because generalizations either get ripped to shreds or mostly ignored on these boards, as a matter of course. People who disagree with you are just going to roll their eyes and move on, because it really is a fairly sexist thing to assert.

But go ahead, figure it out for yourself. In the meantime, I've decided that all men would greatly benefit from a weekly punch in the stomach. You can't prove me wrong, apparently, because you haven't experienced it, so you have no "practical knowledge." [;)]

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But go ahead, figure it out for yourself. In the meantime, I've decided that all men would greatly benefit from a weekly punch in the stomach. You can't prove me wrong, apparently, because you haven't experienced it, so you have no "practical knowledge."

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If You do something that's detrimental to another person, I've always thought it was wise and best to knock it the fuck off.

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ORIGINAL: Lorenzo19

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If You do something that's detrimental to another person, I've always thought it was wise and best to knock it the fuck off.

Well, yeah. But the point is does she need to be hurt i.e. is it good for her?

The way a girl is hurt could be detrimental. I don't think anyone is suggesting breaking bones and the like.

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My first wife was vanilla at first then collared near the end of the marriage. she was the queen bitch cunt of the universe. I firmly believe that if I had hurt her regularly it would have saved the marriage and her soul. she has beome a bitter hateful person and turned My daughter into a carbon copy.

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I am not the hateful bastard 25 years later. So, I would say I didnt need to be hurt. I turned out just fine.

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I will say that everybody requires a certain amount of healthy pain, however the intentional staging and admistration of it, is not a uniformed best practice for everybody.

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ORIGINAL: Lorenzo19

Let's be clear. The OP is not My idea. It was given to Me by a life long, life style little girl (30+ years). I am simply wrestling with the idea.

Also I need to clarify something. The operative word is 'need' not 'want'. masochists want to be hurt. so the question does cover all girls whether vanilla, dominant, submissive, pain lovers or pain avoiders.

And how would a girl who has never been hurt regularly know if it was good for her to be hurt regularly?

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ORIGINAL: Lorenzo19

My first wife was vanilla at first then collared near the end of the marriage. she was the queen bitch cunt of the universe. I firmly believe that if I had hurt her regularly it would have saved the marriage and her soul. she has beome a bitter hateful person and turned My daughter into a carbon copy. Alas, she was My first slave and I didnt know better.

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But go ahead, figure it out for yourself. In the meantime, I've decided that all men would greatly benefit from a weekly punch in the stomach. You can't prove me wrong, apparently, because you haven't experienced it, so you have no "practical knowledge."

That's right. I wouldnt know if it's good for Me. And neither would My Ex. (see prev post). But 25 years ago she would have benifited from the spankings. I am not the hateful bastard 25 years later. So, I would say I didnt need to be hurt. I turned out just fine.

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ORIGINAL: Lorenzo19

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I will say that everybody requires a certain amount of healthy pain, however the intentional staging and admistration of it, is not a uniformed best practice for everybody.

That's the crux of the matter. And no one can answer that definitively either way unless they know every girl alive.

In the end each Dom deides for himself what is best for his girl. And hopefully is willing to tell their story here. Then maybe a consensus will develop.

My story is that every girl I have owned could have benifited from regular hurting in all its forms i.e. bad girl punishments, good girl punishments, casual spur of the moment momentary hurts, hurt during sex....

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The crux of the matter is for you not to put up with bullshit, and not be a nice guy 24/7, and not be afraid of being a little bit of an asshole at times. (just saying)