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ORIGINAL: luckydawg


You note, yet provide no evidence at all. Because it doesn't exist.


and you show you won't acknowledge your false claim.



"February 18, 2010: 4 killed in a strike in Northwest Waziristan including Mohammed Haqqani, the brother of Afghan Taliban commander Siraj Haqqani who leads the Haqqani network. [124][125] The missiles hit a vehicle belonging to Siraj that Mohammed was riding in, but Siraj was not in the vehicle at the time.[126] Mohammed and Siraj were reportedly attending the funeral of Sheikh Mansoor, who had been killed by a drone strike the day before.[127][128][129] "

Febuary 18th 2010, was how long ago?

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

I note that drones can't take people prisoner as the CNN story showed. Yes we still use drones, by all reports now with the active support of the Pakistani military which seems to be providing targets.

This is still the old program of going after these guys in any way we can safely. It differs not noticeably from the old cruise missile strikes. We're clearly not targeting families and we're clearly succeeding which is nice considering the people responsible for killing 3000+ of us have been able to sleep easy for the last 7 years.

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

I note that drones can't take people prisoner as the CNN story showed. Yes we still use drones, by all reports now with the active support of the Pakistani military which seems to be providing targets.

This is still the old program of going after these guys in any way we can safely. It differs not noticeably from the old cruise missile strikes. We're clearly not targeting families and we're clearly succeeding which is nice considering the people responsible for killing 3000+ of us have been able to sleep easy for the last 7 years.

See that is the only problem with what you have stated here. The thought that we weren't going after the bad guys for the last 7 years, or that we just started going after them under the new administration. Oh and that you are finally able to admit that we are succeeding.

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

well Thadius, domken is trying to hide behind a time limit, and saying that anything since august doesn't count for some reason....

So I was listing the attacks this week, not trying to find the worst damage to civilians.

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg




domken, post 18,


"You're confused as always.

Commit an act of terrorism and get caught and you should face a criminal trial. Be part of a terrorist group and shoot at our soldiers in combat and then expect to be killed. What is so fucking hard to understand? Or is this just your simple minded partisan attempt to downplay the recent successes of the administration in fighting the people actually responsible for 9/11?

No one's families should ever be targeted. "



none of that is even close to true.

The taliban did not do 911.....you know that.

the drones are not used in combat while they shoot at our soldiers. You pulled that out of your ass. I gave proof its a lie.

You are the simple minded partisan, not I.


When did killing suspects, along with bystanders and families, with no trial, becaome law enforcement?

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

I note that drones can't take people prisoner as the CNN story showed. Yes we still use drones, by all reports now with the active support of the Pakistani military which seems to be providing targets.

This is still the old program of going after these guys in any way we can safely. It differs not noticeably from the old cruise missile strikes. We're clearly not targeting families and we're clearly succeeding which is nice considering the people responsible for killing 3000+ of us have been able to sleep easy for the last 7 years.

See that is the only problem with what you have stated here. The thought that we weren't going after the bad guys for the last 7 years, or that we just started going after them under the new administration. Oh and that you are finally able to admit that we are succeeding.

We weren't going after Al Qaeda or the Taliban from 2003 to 2009. Afghanistan fell apart right around our ears until we had lost effective control of most of ther country and the Taliban was boldly talking about taking over again. Guess what? They're not making plans for when they take over anymore. Their top leadership is looking over their shoulders worrying about when the US and Pakistani military will be grabbing them.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

well Thadius, domken is trying to hide behind a time limit, and saying that anything since august doesn't count for some reason....

So I was listing the attacks this week, not trying to find the worst damage to civilians.

No you tried to use a single event to show a policy and you used old news.

As to civilian deaths, they always happen in war time and the incidents Thadius lied about are not quite what he claimed

The bombed fuel tankers? Hijacked fuel trucks bombed by order of a German commander. 142 people were killed but only 40 may have been civilians.

The police were killed in a friendly fire accident, which happens in war.

Can't find any news story about an apology for minivans full of kids and mothers. Did find one about the deaths of 4 children and 1 woman in a convoy mistaken for a Taliban convoy which again happens in war.

I see Thadius now believes war must be fought absolutely without error so obviously he now acknowledges that the worst thing possible is what happened in Iraq which is all based on most kindly an error.

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Monday, February 22, 2010
KABUL — NATO commanders apologized Monday after a coalition airstrike killed at least 27 Afghan civilians, including women and children. Monday's strike was the third this month to kill noncombatants and drew a sharp rebuke from Afghanistan's government about endangering civilians.

The top NATO commander, U.S. Gen. Stanley McChrystal, apologized to President Hamid Karzai for the Sunday airstrike, which occurred in the central Afghan province of Uruzgan.

The Afghanistan Council of Ministers strongly condemned the airstrike, calling it "unjustifiable."

It said reports indicated that NATO planes fired at a convoy of three vehicles, killing at least 27 people, including four women and a child, and injuring 12 others.

The ministers urged NATO to "closely coordinate and exercise maximum care before conducting any military operation" to avoid further civilian casualties.

NATO confirmed that its planes fired on what it believed was a group of insurgents on their way to attack NATO and Afghan forces, but later discovered that women and children were in the vehicles. A number of people were killed and the injured were transported to medical facilities, NATO said in a statement.

"We are extremely saddened by the tragic loss of innocent lives," Gen. McChrystal said in the NATO statement. "I have made it clear to our forces that we are here to protect the Afghan people and inadvertently killing or injuring civilians undermines their trust and confidence in our mission. We will redouble our effort to regain that trust."

The attack was not related to the ongoing offensive around the Helmand province town of Marjah, where U.S. and Afghan forces have been battling Taliban insurgents since Feb. 13.

At least 16 civilians have been killed so far during the offensive, NATO said, though human rights groups say the number is at least 19. They include nearly a dozen people killed when two NATO rockets struck a house on the outskirts of Marjah on the second day of the offensive.

Last Thursday, an airstrike in northern Kunduz province missed targeted insurgents and killed seven policemen.

The Sunday attack was the worst involving civilians since last September, when U.S. pilots bombed two hijacked fuel tankers in a German-ordered airstrike near the northern town of Kunduz. German officials, citing a classified NATO report, say up to 142 people are believed to have died or been injured. Afghan leaders estimate 30-40 civilians were killed.

Last Saturday, Karzai called on NATO to do more to protect civilians during stepped-up military operations against the Taliban.

NATO has taken steps in recent months to reduce civilian casualties — primarily through reducing airstrikes and tightening rules of engagement — as part of a new strategy to focus on protecting the Afghan people to win their loyalty over from the Taliban.

A total of 2,412 Afghan civilians were killed last year, the highest number in any year of the eight-year war, according to a U.N. report.

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

Still pretending that the taliban was responsible for 911. I guess its all you can do.


Obama is having suspects killed with no trial.

Gitmo is still open.

Obama admitted that after the trials even if found innocent the terrorists won't be released.

The obvious reality is that Bush was correct. Terrorism is a war to be dealt with millitarily. Not a law enforcement issue. Obama got in and has had to deal with it. His bootlickers are havign a hard time dealing with the reality though.

hence nonsense like domkens

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

ummm..... it somehow is not Obama's decision to allow the Germans to give orders to our troops?????

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Yes, you lied.

The attack on the Gas tankers wasn't the US's responsibility since the air strike was ordered by a german commander. You tried to imply it was part of the Obama administrations policies. That's a lie.

Same with the friendly fire incident involving the police.

Same with the attack on a convoy mistaken to be Taliban.

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg
Obama is not attempting to arrest these suspects. He is having them killed with no trial, by the millitary. Far from any battlefiled or active combat. And often killing bystanders, including kids.

[snip]

Because thats what we are doing. Running Death Squads.

You guys were upset that we waterboarded a few high value detainees, now you support killing people along with thier kids, with no trial.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Yes, you lied.

The attack on the Gas tankers wasn't the US's responsibility since the air strike was ordered by a german commander. You tried to imply it was part of the Obama administrations policies. That's a lie.

Same with the friendly fire incident involving the police.

Same with the attack on a convoy mistaken to be Taliban.

Who's putting words in who's mouth now?

I stated quite clearly I was talking about civilian casualties from US fire, and that I thought the other poster was going that route. You don't see a correlation between the HIGHEST number of civilian casualities in a given year, since the whole thing started, and a change in administration? Yet you are willing to give Obama credit for all of the successes.

Who is being dishonest now?

As to your claim that it isn't the responsibility of the US since it was ordered by a German officer, it was kind of funny how it was reported "Entire village destroyed in U.S. attacks". Then again, I must have more influence than I thought.