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Fellow -> RE: Financial domination (2/23/2010 12:59:42 AM)

As we know financial domination is common. I see it as a natural thing. Some religions (like Islam for example)  prescribe it.
Gold-diggers, prostitutes, professional dominants and others of this sort are a different class where profit motives are prevalent.
Perhaps every male submissive or slave finds it uncomfortable to read contact ads with hidden "you have to pay" messages.




MissCake -> RE: Financial domination (2/23/2010 1:07:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse  To me, Total Power Exchange means TOTAL.


This is the point I think many people miss.  If money = power (and we all know how the world works, so we know it does, much of the time,equal power) then the giving of money to another can be a power exchange, or surrender of power.  It's practically the most straightforward D/s-ish kind of thing I can think of.

Why can't it be a legitimate kink like any other?  How is having a foot fetish or a penchant for shibari (etc.) any MORE valid as a kink?  If you don't want to be financially dominated, then don't.  No harm, no foul.




lobodomslavery -> RE: Financial domination (2/23/2010 2:22:19 AM)

Financial Dommes are swindlers.. Just my personal point of view. Controversial? Hey yes but then Im a controversial kind of buddy. Check my posts. Laced with controversy
Laughs
Have a great day
Kevin




stef -> RE: Financial domination (2/23/2010 6:05:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

Financial Dommes are swindlers..

If both parties are ok with the arrangement, just who exactly is being swindled?

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Just my personal point of view. Controversial? Hey yes but then Im a controversial kind of buddy. Check my posts. Laced with controversy

Stupidity is not controversy.

~stef




rockspider -> RE: Financial domination (2/23/2010 6:44:17 AM)

Woman wanted.
Must be able to cook, sew and dig worms.
Must have own boat.
Please send picture of boat and engines[sm=evil.gif]

Actually i label my self as a financial slave, ok only monday to friday 7 am to 3 pm. But here the dynamics is that it is my dominant who tributes me for my slavery. He calls it a paycheque [:D]




LaTigresse -> RE: Financial domination (2/23/2010 7:42:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

Financial Dommes are swindlers.. Just my personal point of view. Controversial? Hey yes but then Im a controversial kind of buddy. Check my posts. Laced with controversy
Laughs
Have a great day
Kevin



I don't think 'controversy' is exactly the word most of us would choose Kevin.




MistressRoux -> RE: Financial domination (2/23/2010 9:32:20 AM)

if it pleases or turns on the sub, i don't see a problem with it. it's just like anything we don't agree with. because it's outside our norms, it is freaky and abusive and opportunistic. many outside the bdsm scene consider pretty much everything we do to be abusive, opportunistic and wrong.
here's my own test:
is it hurting someone? usually, probably not
is it consensual? most of the time
i haven't done this myself. it intrigues me because there's this element of blackmail on top of it. it's the lingering control that spills over to part of the person's vanilla life that intrigues me as a pro. in a deeper, more private femdom relationship, i wouldn't feel as comfortable with it plus there's no added control. it seems more like a scam TO ME, but to each her own.

now, if we're talking about controlling a sub's expenses (vs. demanding cash which is the m.o. of financial dommes i've encountered), i'm totally comfortable with that. why should money be off limits?



how can it be prostitution? are you saying legit pro-dommes are prostitutes? no sex is being exchanged for money.




lobodomslavery -> RE: Financial domination (2/23/2010 10:06:41 AM)

I m stirring debate, what is not controversial about that
Laughs
Kevin




HeathenMa1am -> RE: Financial domination (2/25/2010 10:28:35 AM)

when I look forward to my ideal future in which I am married to a sub male, I fully expect to be in charge of the family finances. I'm good it at. When I make only $20,000 a year at my lousy job, I manage to save fully half my income. Imagine what I could do with a typical middle class male's income. Of course, I would fully expect to be in charge of the family finances if I were a vanilla, because I'm still good at it. As a matter of fact, if I identified as a sub, I would simply recast it from "being in charge" to "providing the service of money management" and I would still do the same. Each partner in any relationship should do what they're best at.




VirginMale762 -> RE: Financial domination (2/27/2010 9:13:31 AM)

Financial Domination is good but only after certain time period. For example , I am ready to give my all salary of continous 5-6 years for my Mistress and wish she bids about me and sends me to another and i'll do the same :) . but these mistress begging for money online suck man




lobodomslavery -> RE: Financial domination (2/27/2010 10:48:58 AM)

Begging for money really does suck. Whether its online or offline. Unless they desperately need it to survive that is. But they dont. So yes begging Dominas do suck
Kevin




chores4sf -> RE: Financial domination (3/4/2010 10:08:06 AM)

On one hand a lot of the people into financial domination are basically frauds and because it's so easy to be so the people who are legitimately engaged in it are afraid to point out the very real flaws within their niche.  They have a massive PR problem and they  lack a certain credibility because of their reluctance to face certain issues. The opponents of financial domination also have this same credibility problem, in my eyes, though.

The same basic arguments for or against it, the safe arguments, are pretty much all you hear about. I think it's because the real problems with financial domination are the same with all the other niches and the BDSM community in general.

The same sorts of issues people complain about with financial domination exist all over BDSM only it's less obvious because money isn't involved.  Once you involve money people take things more seriously. This is probably financial domination's greatest strength as well as it's greatest obstacle.




Lockit -> RE: Financial domination (3/4/2010 10:32:21 AM)

Since I typically make the final decision in most area's, the money issues will fall into this at some point. If someone doesn't handle things well, I will surely have a lot to say about that. I will have plans for our future that will include how we manage the money.

In my household, for the most part, we have household funds. Everyone shares. I do encourage savings and being prepared for the future if one can do so. Not everyone can. In a newer relationship I wouldn't take over every dime the person makes, but we would discuss how things are going to go financially.

If I were to get involved with someone who had a kinky view on this, I would still basically run things the way I normally would but might add some kinky aspect to it.

When in my twenties I had a number of men who would have me hold their money so that they couldn't spend it. I thought it strange at first that they would need that, but very quickly got used to it! lol I thought at first I would hate being in a position of telling them no about their own money and our not being in a relationship, but I actually liked the power play of it all. I think they did too! Oh, if I had only known then, what I know now! hehe




PrincessDonna -> RE: Financial domination (3/4/2010 11:17:50 AM)

I have had subs that have turned over control of their money and it is a matter of trust for them and to know that someone that they submit to would take care of their needs and Ive never figured out why so many people think thats wrong when their are so many so-called Dommes out there that arent Domme at all but just abusing subs because they dont know how to deal with their own past baggage.When subs are out of control ,begging to be beat for no reason or become stalkers I take that personally because some "Domme" somewhere has mislead him.I dont have the time to take care of someone elses bills,it would tiIf it works for that sub and that Domme so be it.e me down but I surely am not going to judge those that do.




wisdomtogive -> RE: Financial domination (3/4/2010 11:28:05 AM)

I do not personally see anything wrong in financial domination. There most likely would be many different types of this, from the Pro Domme to the M/s relationship. Sir has control of my money and he is wise about it. Works for us.




osf -> RE: Financial domination (3/4/2010 12:25:16 PM)

Miss Cillie demands grapes




camille65 -> RE: Financial domination (3/7/2010 2:33:15 PM)

That made me smile. I'm okay with the concept of financial domination so long as it is done in a mutually beneficial manner, I do feel that the one giving over the money has the burden of making sure the situation happens with a trustworthy person though. I feel a bit cynical but if someone is stupid enough to hand over their paycheck without having a solid relationship, then if they lose that money I lose my sympathies.  




Andalusite -> RE: Financial domination (3/7/2010 10:44:44 PM)

My previous submissive (of 5 years) and I engaged in Financial Domination while we were together, but he didn't pay me. We both contributed to household expenses, since we were living together. He added my name to his checking account, gave me an ATM card with access to it, and consulted me before making any purchases over ~$25. If it was something optional, I'd sometimes have him wait until his next paycheck before purchasing it.




Honsoku -> RE: Financial domination (3/10/2010 1:46:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse
For me personally, it will always depends upon the individual dynamic. If a woman comes into my life, becomes trusted and important enough to be a part of my household and the relationship is a M/s TPE, then yes I will consider her finances mine to control. Does that mean I am going to take every penny and spend it on frivolous purchases.....NO! No more than I would my own paycheck. It would be used the same way I use mine......living expenses, medical insurance, retirement planning, etc... If indeed this woman is a professional money manager, it would be very likely I would utilize her talents in managing her money and my own.

I never understand why this topic is such an emotional one. People willingly put their physical well being, often that of those they love, at risk with a person but to consider handing over money and they freak out.

To me, Total Power Exchange means TOTAL.


Women: cook, clean, and screw they'll all do, but a dime is out of line.

It's weird, isn't it? The way some people react to it, it's almost as if you asked them to turn over their UMs. When I first stumbled across this, I was surprised. For all the talk about power exchange and norm breaking, money was taboo? Money is power made transferable! We should be neck deep in financial dominants of both genders. Yet, it wasn't just something to do with money itself, as it is a lot more accepted in F/m dynamics than M/f. Then I realized it; by and large, people in bdsm don't really go against the cultural norms, we reinterpret them. "The male pays" is one of those hard coded cultural norms. It's part of our gender identity. It's would be like having a male dominant who cross-dressed. I bet having a dominant that did that would squick out about 90-95% of straight female submissives (of course, they'll be a few responses that go "It's doesn't bother me", which is missing the point). Why? Because it violates gender expectations. In both dominant and submissive roles, we tend to adhere to the same gender archetypes, we just express them differently. For example; the male pays, the male works, the male courts, the male protects, the female handles socializing, the female is supported by the male, the female is courted, the female is protected. We are fine with changing the context of the act, but tend to be grossly uncomfortable with changing the acts themselves.




musicaltaylor -> RE: Financial domination (3/10/2010 6:53:05 PM)

I do not exactly agree with or disagree. I will not pay a "fee" to be told what to do. Controlling my finances and looking out for my best intrest thats ok. It depends on what people are considering financial domination




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