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RE: If you told your slave - 2/21/2010 9:53:39 PM   
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to undress in a restaurant would you expect her to regardless of the consequences?


Oh good heavens. Is all you do is sit around and think up the most inane questions you can?

I can't imagine the circumstances where such a thing would ever occur to me but, to answer your question, if I ever did tell a slave to undress in a public restaurant then, yes, I would expect her to do so because she would know that I had a damn good reason for doing so.

I'm not at all interested in getting someone arrested or prosecuted and, since i tend to frequent the same places, I don't want to banned from a favorite restaurant either - but if I ended up in some weird cross between True Lies, Die Hard and Secretary and it was vital for the safety of the ourselves, the innocent bystanders and the Free World that the woman I'm with strip right now - yes I would expect her to obey me - fully understanding that I wouldn't be asking her to do this without a valid reason.

There's a certain powerful excitement to saying "I'm going to make you cum in the Van Gogh Room of the Metropolitan Museum of Art and you're not allowed to make a sound or attract any attention". There's something very visceral about having someone whispering in your ear, begging you to "take them somewhere" while your fingers are playing with her somewhere she can't let go. I had a submissive who was very into what I'll call subtle public play - where the potential of discovery is part of the thrill.

This is different. I think the drive behind the question is along the lines of "who do you expect your slave to believe, their own eyes or you". Given that we'd been together for a long enough time to understand each other and have developed a comfortable relationship based on mutual trust and understanding, I would expect them to question - but assuming I knew what I was doing - yes, I would expect them to obey.

This works the other way, too. Some time ago my best friend was getting married and I was his best man. Unfortunately, I ended up with the flu and we had a problem at work so I ended up working for 36 straight hours right before the wedding. I made it to the wedding and made it through the ceremony whereupon I turned to my sub and said "That's it. I'm done. I'm going to be gone, out of it gone, in about five minutes. Your job is to get me home and into bed."

About thirty hours later I woke up at home and in bed. I never had a doubt that I would. If that woman had run up the stairs out of the blue one day and breathlessly told me to get the shotgun and kill the man in the kitchen right now I would have and I would have asked questions later.

There's a big difference between how you trust and/or obey someone you're committed to and what you'd do in a "dating" relationship.

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RE: If you told your slave - 2/21/2010 10:02:16 PM   
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Well said!


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RE: If you told your slave - 2/21/2010 10:11:27 PM   
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RS,
His question wasn't if YOU told your slave to undress; but rather
If  He told YOUR slave to undress....would you expect your slave to obey him, no matter the consequences.

That's not what his OP (title included) reads as at all.

RS responded perfectly.


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RE: If you told your slave - 2/21/2010 10:13:07 PM   
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and most of my working life was asking what if questions, so i sorta gravitate to that way of thinking


What if I stick my dick in the electric pencil sharpener?

What if I get drunk and come to work?

What if I sleep with the bosses son?

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RE: If you told your slave - 2/21/2010 10:13:33 PM   
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RE: If you told your slave - 2/21/2010 10:14:23 PM   
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quote:

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and most of my working life was asking what if questions, so i sorta gravitate to that way of thinking


What if I stick my dick in the electric pencil sharpener?

What if I get drunk and come to work?

What if I sleep with the bosses son?


Those aren't really mutually exclusive.

In fact, I can see how they'd kind of all go together.

I bet you throw some fun parties.

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RE: If you told your slave - 2/21/2010 10:24:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've sat on a bench in front of a busy traffic light in Antwerp wearing a short skirt, no underwear and my legs widely spread for all drivers who stopped at said light to see. (And yes I did pay attention to mothers driving with their kids and was more discrete when I spotted children...)
But the guys sure had fun, and so did I and the guy I was with, who had ordered me there. I sat there for over an hour and a half, no problem with anybody, almost only positive comments, or should I say... shouts...
I've walked through that same city in broad daylight wearing nothing but a fur coat... and yes... I DID flash some people

So if my Owner told me to, sure I'd take my clothes off in a public restaurant.

Not all places get you as easily arrested as in America.

Most off you are making it sound like there is NO possible setting in which something like that could turn out well.

Well, say that my Owner took me out wearing nothing but my fur coat and took me to a public restaurant.
We are seated in the back, in a boot, and nobody is in our line of sight.
From where my Owner sits, he can easily overlook the whole restaurant, and anybody approaching us would be spotted by him long before they get there.
He orders me to open my coat, and slip my arms out of the sleeves, basically "undressing" me.

Why on Earth would I have any issue obeying an order like that?
And why would he even consider giving an order like that, if not in a setting which made it very likely I could get away with it?
And if there is no problem getting away with it, then why would there be an issue following such an order?

Not everything is as black and white as "you undress in a public restaurant = you get arrested."


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RE: If you told your slave - 2/21/2010 10:25:13 PM   
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What if I stick my dick in the electric pencil sharpener?

You would end up with a pencil dick.


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RE: If you told your slave - 2/21/2010 10:40:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just keep that undress crap out of sight. If you do it close to me in a restaurant and I could see it....you would have problems.
Outside..I don't care.... But I don't like such stuff while I eat.

Also don't like the idea of sweaty nude ass on the chairs....and me sitting on it later...lol..and have my fingers..in uhmm..wetness of any kind.

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RE: If you told your slave - 2/21/2010 10:43:11 PM   
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I've sat on a bench in front of a busy traffic light in Antwerp wearing a short skirt, no underwear and my legs widely spread for all drivers who stopped at said light to see. (And yes I did pay attention to mothers driving with their kids and was more discrete when I spotted children...)


Were you ordered to be discrete? Or was that an independent decision?
 
Aha.

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RE: If you told your slave - 2/21/2010 10:50:22 PM   
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I've sat on a bench in front of a busy traffic light in Antwerp wearing a short skirt, no underwear and my legs widely spread for all drivers who stopped at said light to see. (And yes I did pay attention to mothers driving with their kids and was more discrete when I spotted children...)


Were you ordered to be discrete? Or was that an independent decision?
 
Aha.


I was ordered to be discrete if I saw minors, and the man I was with kept his eye out for minors as well. (Lots of traffic, I couldn't possible keep an eye on everybody from every direction.)
But seeing that this was midday on a school day, (which he picked because there would be less kids) we didn't really had an issue with too many children. I only spotted them twice.

I got a very few negative comments from some adults though, but the overwhelming majority of the comments were positive ones. I also found that, apparently, most people who didn't want to see something like that somehow didn't seem to notice that and how I was sitting there in the first place.
Most of the people who did notice were men, and they seemed to WANT to look at me in the first place.
The women were, on average, to busy looking around at other things to check out the chick with the short skirt.
Go figure...


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RE: If you told your slave - 2/21/2010 11:04:06 PM   
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I got a very few negative comments from some adults though, but the overwhelming majority of the comments were positive ones. I also found that, apparently, most people who didn't want to see something like that somehow didn't seem to notice that and how I was sitting there in the first place.
Most of the people who did notice were men, and they seemed to WANT to look at me in the first place.
The women were, on average, to busy looking around at other things to check out the chick with the short skirt.
Go figure...

I figure that you were rather lucky. One off duty cop in streetclothes, who didn't care to see snatch displayed in public, and there could have been a real problem for you.


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RE: If you told your slave - 2/21/2010 11:10:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		So it was conditional. You were expected to 'stop' at inopportune or inappropriate times.
 
And if anyone subconciously or deliberately applies any discretion of their own, it kind of kills some of the 'do it without question' aspect.
 
Logically then, it would either be done without thought as a pure obeyance of an order, or during the act you would expecting some kind of repercussion.

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RE: If you told your slave - 2/21/2010 11:16:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		In Belgium and The Netherlands.......the cops propably send you away with a warning.....they don't make a drama of it. Perhaps you end in the newspaper..lol.
Other countries might be more strict.



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RE: If you told your slave - 2/21/2010 11:16:28 PM   
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I got a very few negative comments from some adults though, but the overwhelming majority of the comments were positive ones. I also found that, apparently, most people who didn't want to see something like that somehow didn't seem to notice that and how I was sitting there in the first place.
Most of the people who did notice were men, and they seemed to WANT to look at me in the first place.
The women were, on average, to busy looking around at other things to check out the chick with the short skirt.
Go figure...

I figure that you were rather lucky. One off duty cop in streetclothes, who didn't care to see snatch displayed in public, and there could have been a real problem for you.



No, I wasn't rather lucky, that's what I've been trying to explain.
In the US, you are right, I would have been arrested.

In Belgium, if a cop would have noticed me like that, he would have come over and told me that I was exposing myself and asked me to either leave, or be more careful and close my legs.
I would, with the demeanor and way I was sitting there, NOT have been arrested.
Not by any chance.

Not all places have the same way of dealing with nudity as the US has.
I can go to a public beach here and sunbath topless without getting in any trouble. Most likely, I won't even be the only one.

I've actually been caught several times while having sex or being naked in public, in a parking lot, in a park and in a forest.
Once I was asked to leave (by the official park attended after other people told him about it), the other times the people just left, mostly without a comment and we either carried on or left ourselves. The cops were never mentioned... by anybody.

In the middle of Amsterdam, I've made the 10 min walk to a BDSM club, in fetish outfit (that did cover up the "vital" parts), my hands chained behind my back and my collar with a leash attached to the belt of the Dom I was with.
He had a friend of mine similarly dressed and leashed on his other side.
Some people laughed, or stared, but most of them just ignored us (anybody who has ever been to Amsterdam can attest to this type of reaction from the "natives" there.)

When I worked in a fetish club in Antwerp, more often than not I would dress for work at home, drive to the club that way and walk the 5 min from my car dressed in fetish gear (that again covered the "vital" parts, but not much more). I've never had an issue with anybody on the way there, and this club is right by a police station.

Again, not all places in the world have the same reaction to this type of stuff that people in the USA have...
And it's kind weird that you would all assume that all people and countries WOULD have the same reaction...


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RE: If you told your slave - 2/21/2010 11:21:42 PM   
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And it's kind weird that you would all assume that all people and countries WOULD have the same reaction...

Good ole puritanical and catholic values.


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RE: If you told your slave - 2/21/2010 11:26:42 PM   
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So it was conditional. You were expected to 'stop' at inopportune or inappropriate times.
 
And if anyone subconciously or deliberately applies any discretion of their own, it kind of kills some of the 'do it without question' aspect.
 
Logically then, it would either be done without thought as a pure obeyance of an order, or during the act you would expecting some kind of repercussion.


Yes it was conditional, I wouldn't say that I was expected to stop at "inappropriate" times, because I do think that the whole thing was rather "inappropriate", at least by some people's standards. But yes, there was a line drawn by the one giving the command about what required discretion and what not, and that same line would have been drawn by me, with or without his command or aproval. In this case, disobeying the line he put for me would have resulted in disipline, while being discrete at appropriate times was considered obedience. However, should he have failed to set this particular line, the result would have been flat out disobedience on my behalf, not just concerning my exposure to children, but to the whole thing.

I am absolutely not trying to say that I would do anything I was told to do, in any circumstance, without question.
If the guy that had me expose myself like that would have ordered me to do the same thing in front a school, I would have told him to go fuck himself.

I'm not a mindless idiot, I don't belief that obedience is something that I agree to and thus am bound to by some concept of absolute obedience.
Instead, obedience is something that the D-type compels from me by making my urge to obey him stronger then my urge to disobey him.

One of the first and most important ways he does this is by making me trust him, his word, and his common sense.
As such, giving me orders that go against any kind of common sense, like flashing yourself in front of a school in broad daylight, will only inspire me to DISobey him, more than likely not even just that one time, instead of inspire me to behave like a robot and do what he wants all the time.

My only "remark" in this whole debate is that it is silly to say that it would never in any circumstance be possible for a girl to obey a command to strip naked in a restaurant and that be okay.
Whether or not it would be an "okay" command to obey depends on the what, where, why, when, how and such...


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RE: If you told your slave - 2/21/2010 11:42:42 PM   
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In the middle of Amsterdam, I've made the 10 min walk to a BDSM club, in fetish outfit (that did cover up the "vital" parts), my hands chained behind my back and my collar with a leash attached to the belt of the Dom I was with.
He had a friend of mine similarly dressed and leashed on his other side.
Some people laughed, or stared, but most of them just ignored us (anybody who has ever been to Amsterdam can attest to this type of reaction from the "natives" there.)



I've been recently, and while what you're saying is still mostly true, especially in the Red Light district, there is some change in the air. Coffee shops are now under surveillance and some prostitution laws are being reviewed.
 
The CDP coalition has just lost power and there is a backlash against permissiveness, currently fuelled at anger against a political party formed advocating child pornography.
 
Social conservatism is re emerging in much of Europe.

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RE: If you told your slave - 2/21/2010 11:44:28 PM   
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And it's kind weird that you would all assume that all people and countries WOULD have the same reaction...

Good ole puritanical and catholic values.



Predominant religion in permissive Holland is still Catholicism.

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RE: If you told your slave - 2/21/2010 11:46:54 PM   
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Homosexuality is not as accepted anymore as it was.

There is a change....but still..people hardly care if you walk nude.
They just think..oh poor boy/girl...nude in this cold weather.

btw
The acceptence is not just acceptence..it is also a bit of who we are...by times cold, selfish and egoistic....we just don't care.

ps. I think we dutch are mainly protestant

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