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RE: If you told your slave - 2/22/2010 11:13:14 AM

Musicmystery

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Wow. What self-righteous claptrap.

RS and IB have already well outlined the parameters of this silly exercise. It's not terribly difficult to follow.

Everytime some version of this comes around, again with the kids and the cops and the offended victims. But nobody's talking about flashing kids, pushing arrest, or throwing themselves at unwilling onlookers. Get a clue.

And all you've got left is to insult these people?

Fuck you. Get over yourself.

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RE: If you told your slave - 2/22/2010 11:22:15 AM

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What these two said. Sad really. For too many reasons to enumerate.

well Aynne, that domiguy who "requests" head from his "sub/girlfriend" is one of those whose opinion you agree with, well it kinda takes the strength out of it. *shrugs*

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RE: If you told your slave - 2/22/2010 11:47:53 AM

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there are some really stupid women out there that will do anything they are told.

Hm, Domi, stupid, really?

Or perhaps some us just use our smarts in choosing to submit to a D-type who won't make us do "stupid" things.

That point is like a huge part of the discussion on this thread, right?

No offense. But it actually is not. The question is... if asked, would you do it?

Maybe he lost his mind? Maybe he hates your guts? Maybe he has found another and figures with you in jail he will be free to pursue his new peace of snatch?

The answer should be yes or no. There are obvious ramifications if you take off your clothes. Do you do it?

Thats how I read it too. And I am a sub, but will never be a slave. I also have too much knowledge about health and safety to submit to a lot of things. I have in the past ended relationships with those I thought didnt have the knowledge or control to keep me safe.

I dont need a self servicing idiot as my Dominant. But that just me.

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RE: If you told your slave - 2/22/2010 11:48:00 AM

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I don't think using reason and common sense regarding legal ramifications is weasely. Fact is, one of my few hard limits is anything illegal. It makes my choice simple.

Obey - risk legal repercussions
Disobey - risk ending the relationship

My Master tells me to swallow that balloon filled with heroin before boarding the plane. Do I obey regardless of consequences?
Hell no.

My Master tells me to coerce that pretty little under age thing into getting into the car so he can take her home. Do I obey regardless of consequences?
Hell the fuck no.

Its simple really.

But, I'm the first to admit I make a very bad slave. I suck at it.

But what is the likelihood you would be with...or at least stay with such a man? Here's the thing, I doubt my Master would order me to strip in a restaurant, he's not stupid and knows what the consequences could be. So if he did, I would trust him and do it.

(Hugs Zephyr) I should have clarified

Stay and Obey= (consequence of obeying is owned by me)
Disobey and Leave = (consquence of disobeying is owned by me)

The likelihood of me staying with someone who would ask such a thing of me is so negligable as to be about = to zero. I would not stay with a Master under those circumstances. I would choose the option of disobeying and leaving. That's the consequence I would own for myself.

That's just me though. I don't disrepsect anyone for the choices they make, because I believe that whether a slave or not, consequences are the one thing each individual has to own for themselves.

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RE: If you told your slave - 2/22/2010 11:48:54 AM

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Well no Tim, that is not correct. The Op's scenario was in a fucking restaurant. Now unless it is closed for business or owned by the Master or some other situation which would make the rendering of this question a moot point, then it is forcing it on unwilling people, unless the "Master' ran around the restaurant and asked single fucking patron in there if they minded if his slave stripped. So, thanks for the "fuck you" but the OP asked a question, and fuck me, I answered it. Domiguy's response is true, and I don't for one minute think that a sane, educated, intelligent woman is going to drop panties at Per Se anytime soon. Now, someone with nothing to risk or lose....that is another story. I mean really, can you see a headline "CEO of XXXX inc. arrested for stripping in bistro per her Master's orders" in the NYT? Doubtful.

I don't know if the "fuck you" was for me, Domiguy, EW, or all 3, but really....what part of the OP's question that clearly reads in part "IN A RESTAURANT" led you to believe that unwilling particpants wouldn't be involved or finding it sad that a woman would do such a stupid thing, made you have such a friendly outburst to a thread on a message board? Did I miss something?

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RE: If you told your slave - 2/22/2010 11:57:09 AM

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Okay, people, read the OP carefully. He isn't asking if Masters do order their slaves to obey, he's asking the question if they were to tell their slaves <snip> would their slave obey. Which is why I said yes. I don't think he would tell me to because he wouldn't do anything to harm me, but if he were to make such a command, I would obey. The actual scenario though is a hypothetical one.

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RE: If you told your slave - 2/22/2010 11:58:36 AM

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Wow. What self-righteous claptrap.

RS and IB have already well outlined the parameters of this silly exercise. It's not terribly difficult to follow.

Everytime some version of this comes around, again with the kids and the cops and the offended victims. But nobody's talking about flashing kids, pushing arrest, or throwing themselves at unwilling onlookers. Get a clue.

And all you've got left is to insult these people?

Fuck you. Get over yourself.

Thats funny. It wasnt theirs to outline. The O.P. didnt outline it like that. Thast what I go by. The original question.

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RE: If you told your slave - 2/22/2010 11:59:56 AM

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

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ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

I don't think using reason and common sense regarding legal ramifications is weasely. Fact is, one of my few hard limits is anything illegal. It makes my choice simple.

Obey - risk legal repercussions
Disobey - risk ending the relationship

My Master tells me to swallow that balloon filled with heroin before boarding the plane. Do I obey regardless of consequences?
Hell no.

My Master tells me to coerce that pretty little under age thing into getting into the car so he can take her home. Do I obey regardless of consequences?
Hell the fuck no.

Its simple really.

But, I'm the first to admit I make a very bad slave. I suck at it.

But what is the likelihood you would be with...or at least stay with such a man? Here's the thing, I doubt my Master would order me to strip in a restaurant, he's not stupid and knows what the consequences could be. So if he did, I would trust him and do it.

(Hugs Zephyr) I should have clarified

Stay and Obey= (consequence of obeying is owned by me)
Disobey and Leave = (consquence of disobeying is owned by me)

The likelihood of me staying with someone who would ask such a thing of me is so negligable as to be about = to zero. I would not stay with a Master under those circumstances. I would choose the option of disobeying and leaving. That's the consequence I would own for myself.

That's just me though. I don't disrepsect anyone for the choices they make, because I believe that whether a slave or not, consequences are the one thing each individual has to own for themselves.

Yeah that's what I figured but thanks for the clarification. I did have a real "huh?" moment for a second there though

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RE: If you told your slave - 2/22/2010 12:04:16 PM

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Wow. What self-righteous claptrap.

RS and IB have already well outlined the parameters of this silly exercise. It's not terribly difficult to follow.

Everytime some version of this comes around, again with the kids and the cops and the offended victims. But nobody's talking about flashing kids, pushing arrest, or throwing themselves at unwilling onlookers. Get a clue.

The OP specifically mentions irregardless consequences. Respondents are addressing what they perceive the consequences to be in practice. I believe they generally have a clue.

I would think it self righteous to dismiss that.

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RE: If you told your slave - 2/22/2010 12:06:43 PM

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Okay, people, read the OP carefully. He isn't asking if Masters do order their slaves to obey, he's asking the question if they were to tell their slaves <snip> would their slave obey. Which is why I said yes. I don't think he would tell me to because he wouldn't do anything to harm me, but if he were to make such a command, I would obey. The actual scenario though is a hypothetical one.

Maybe we are focusing on different parts. But I focused on the "regardless of the consequences part". To me he was asking if you would follow even if the consequences were bad.

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RE: If you told your slave - 2/22/2010 12:10:35 PM

zephyroftheNorth

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Okay, people, read the OP carefully. He isn't asking if Masters do order their slaves to obey, he's asking the question if they were to tell their slaves <snip> would their slave obey. Which is why I said yes. I don't think he would tell me to because he wouldn't do anything to harm me, but if he were to make such a command, I would obey. The actual scenario though is a hypothetical one.

Maybe we are focusing on different parts. But I focused on the "regardless of the consequences part". To me he was asking if you would follow even if the consequences were bad.

To me he was saying even if the consequences might be bad, which is something that could be asked about a good deal of the things some of us do. Hell everything has consequences.

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RE: If you told your slave - 2/22/2010 12:12:03 PM

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If Master would ask this of me, then i know he is not the Master i thought he was. He would have disobedience on his hands, and for me i ended up with anything but what i would call a Master. But just in case my mind was playing tricks on me regarding his request, i would ask if i could present a question first. If he says yes, i would ask him is today April Fool's day?

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RE: If you told your slave - 2/22/2010 12:12:07 PM

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Okay, people, read the OP carefully. He isn't asking if Masters do order their slaves to obey, he's asking the question if they were to tell their slaves <snip> would their slave obey. Which is why I said yes. I don't think he would tell me to because he wouldn't do anything to harm me, but if he were to make such a command, I would obey. The actual scenario though is a hypothetical one.

Sorry zeph, but he's not. Read it again.

The question is for masters and whether they (the masters) would expect a slave to carry out an order regardless of consequences.

Any input from the slave to that question is additional information. Not unwelcome, but additional.

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RE: If you told your slave - 2/22/2010 12:15:57 PM

zephyroftheNorth

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Okay, people, read the OP carefully. He isn't asking if Masters do order their slaves to obey, he's asking the question if they were to tell their slaves <snip> would their slave obey. Which is why I said yes. I don't think he would tell me to because he wouldn't do anything to harm me, but if he were to make such a command, I would obey. The actual scenario though is a hypothetical one.

Sorry zeph, but he's not. Read it again.

The question is for masters and whether they (the masters) would expect a slave to carry out an order regardless of consequences.

Any input from the slave to that question is additional information. Not unwelcome, but additional.

I just reread it and I still can't see it as anything but hypothetical. Nowhere does he ask if the Masters actually do it, just if their slave would obey if told to.

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RE: If you told your slave - 2/22/2010 12:23:18 PM

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I don't think anything is ever done regardless of the consequences. In reality, the people that answered they would do it are doing it because they are trying to avoid a different type of consequence: being disobedient to their Master. So, there is always regard for the consequence- one way or the other. If you are willing to follow your Master's command, knowing it can land you in trouble with the law or soctiety, you are simply chosing one consequence over another.

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RE: If you told your slave - 2/22/2010 12:28:11 PM

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ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth

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ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth

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Okay, people, read the OP carefully. He isn't asking if Masters do order their slaves to obey, he's asking the question if they were to tell their slaves <snip> would their slave obey. Which is why I said yes. I don't think he would tell me to because he wouldn't do anything to harm me, but if he were to make such a command, I would obey. The actual scenario though is a hypothetical one.

Sorry zeph, but he's not. Read it again.

The question is for masters and whether they (the masters) would expect a slave to carry out an order regardless of consequences.

Any input from the slave to that question is additional information. Not unwelcome, but additional.

I just reread it and I still can't see it as anything but hypothetical. Nowhere does he ask if the Masters actually do it, just if their slave would obey if told to.

I'm not saying its not hypothetical, osf's life is hypothetical.

I'm saying the question isn't about what you (the slave) would do. It's about the master's expectation of what you would do.

I stress this point because many of the answers have been along the lines of ~ my master wouldn't ask me to do that...ie projecting a knowledge that your master would never be the type to ask you, that in your mind you are 100% sure he wouldn't put you in that situation.

I just differ by thinking the answer sought is in the master's mind, not the slave's.

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RE: If you told your slave - 2/22/2010 12:33:05 PM

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I'm saying the question isn't about what you (the slave) would do. It's about the master's expectation of what you would do.

Okay now I see where our misunderstanding is. *breaths a sigh of relief* I never said - or at least I didn't intend to say - that osf was asking this of the slaves, only that he's not asking whether or not the Masters actually have had their slave do it.

And yes osf's life is hypothetical

I actually had to make myself forget who was asking in order to comment at all.

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RE: If you told your slave - 2/22/2010 12:50:19 PM

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to undress in a restaurant would you expect her to regardless of the consequences?

who was it that said there are not stupid questions just stupid answers?..... well I bet they never saw this one coming.

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RE: If you told your slave - 2/22/2010 12:52:22 PM

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to undress in a restaurant would you expect her to regardless of the consequences?

who was it that said there are not stupid questions just stupid answers?..... well I bet they never saw this one coming.

There's another version that goes, "There are no stupid questions, only stupid people."

(Lighten up, folks. It's a South Park joke.)

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RE: If you told your slave - 2/22/2010 1:11:07 PM

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I don't have a slave, but if I did, would not expect my slave to do something that would have such negative consequences on them, or me.
I get there is a diference between sub and slave, but when I put the collar on her I ask, do you trust me to keep you safe? this IMO is not keeping her safe. Sorry if this type of answer has already been posted, I couldn't read through all 14 pages...

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