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DomKen -> RE: OPPS...There Go the Rising Sea Levels! (2/22/2010 4:27:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg yes posting links to the BBC and the NYTimes about the fact that the Usa uses drone attackts to kill suspects, along with anyoine near them often including thier families, is a lie....... As is pointing out that your claim that we only kill in battle is false. The drones hit targets in Pakistan and Yemen, where we have zero combat troops on the ground. http://www.collarchat.com/m_3078466/mpage_1/tm.htm# Domken is so snarky, because he knew he was lying when he posted it, and I provided proof he's lying. Since he won't acknowledge being wrong, he will go attack and insult. You're lying as usual. You used a story from early August and ignored teh news from the past several weeks. Guess what? Things have changed.

luckydawg -> RE: OPPS...There Go the Rising Sea Levels! (2/22/2010 4:38:27 PM)
Nope the drones still are flying, and killing suspects with no trial, along with bystanders.... at least 4 attacks this month. most recent......4 days ago. as usuall I am telling the absolute truth. And you are pushing bullshit, while being to cowardly to admit you are wrong. But why would August make any difference?

DomKen -> RE: OPPS...There Go the Rising Sea Levels! (2/22/2010 4:49:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg Nope the drones still are flying, and killing suspects with no trial, along with bystanders.... at least 4 attacks this month. most recent......4 days ago. as usuall I am telling the absolute truth. And you are pushing bullshit, while being to cowardly to admit you are wrong. But why would August make any difference? Wow 4 attacks in one month. That certainly sounds indiscriminate. NOT!

luckydawg -> RE: OPPS...There Go the Rising Sea Levels! (2/22/2010 5:07:43 PM)
who said anything about indiscriminate? I guess since you got shown wrong, you have to try some cheap rhetorical trick like that......since you dont have any integrity. I guess brain and a few others are dumb enough to not see that....

PenOnBeadedChain -> RE: OPPS...There Go the Rising Sea Levels! (2/22/2010 6:05:48 PM)
Isn't it striking how lopsided the integrity standard is in this whole public debate over climate change? A scientist discovers that there were errors in his analysis that resulted in a published paper (which if you read the article, might make the original conclusion more OR less pronounced than stated), so he contacts the journal, and alerts them to it so that the collective literature will not be degraded with the inaccurate finding. It underscores the pretty wonderful self-policing nature of climate science, for those who don't already know scientists and realize that this sort of thing is pretty standard (papers get retracted sometimes, it's no shame to anyone in the field, it's actually very much appreciated). Meanwhile... over in the other corner we have obfuscation artists, industry spokespeople and idiots on capitol hill spreading one absurd, long-debunked red herring after another, for decades on end now. When they are called on the misleading statements, or inaccuracies, why they just scurry off and pop their lying heads up somewhere else to spread the same misleading "memes". Working that public to notch their bosses a few more thousand or million confused members of the public and preserve another few months of record fossil fuel (or manufacturing unfettered by controls) profits at humanity's expense. And it's all just okay to the "skeptic" crowd, because really, scientists are naturally held to a higher standard than businessmen and politicians. The latter two groups can lie all they want and it's just cool because that's capitalism in all its imperfect glory - people just looking out for their bottom line interests, yadaya. Nothing personal. But when one or two or three scientists screw up on a calculation, out of literally thousands of published papers that are put out on this subject (most of which the average Joe never even knows about because he's busy watching NASCAR), well THAT'S a big story. And the story? Why, it's all about how unreliable the science in general is. Why we shouldn't listen to those hordes of experts who are all saying basically the same things. BECAUSE WE FOUND ONE OF THEM THAT DIDN'T DOT AN I OR CROSS A T. Tell me, does a species that operates this way deserve to survive? I mean, objectively? Wouldn't you say if we continue to comport ourselves like this we are basically unfit? When collectively we give our rational side (science) such short shrift in relation to our appetitive side (want more stuff, want to keep wasting, don't want to rein myself in, etc.)? Think of homo sapiens as a candidate for survival. Are we exhibiting a sustainable mindset? Right now it sure doesn't look like it.

TheHeretic -> RE: OPPS...There Go the Rising Sea Levels! (2/22/2010 6:54:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AnimusRex The world is filled with totalitarian assholes; You will need to be a bit more specific- Which assholes; What they are doing that needs condemnation. Experience has shown me that there is little point in taking the time to respond to your questions in a thoughtful way, Rex. I did come across an article today that would provide you with some food for thought, if you care to try digesting it. How Al Gore Wrecked Planet Earth

DomKen -> RE: OPPS...There Go the Rising Sea Levels! (2/22/2010 8:47:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: AnimusRex The world is filled with totalitarian assholes; You will need to be a bit more specific- Which assholes; What they are doing that needs condemnation. Experience has shown me that there is little point in taking the time to respond to your questions in a thoughtful way, Rex. I did come across an article today that would provide you with some food for thought, if you care to try digesting it. How Al Gore Wrecked Planet Earth You know its funny, I've read a lot of articles on climate change in the last few years and none had Gore as a co author. None of the studies I've read about have indicated Gore was a lead investigator. Gore narrated 1 movie and the cons latched onto him as the boogie man of climate change. This is reminds me uncannily of the creationist's fixation with Darwin.

DomKen -> RE: OPPS...There Go the Rising Sea Levels! (2/22/2010 8:56:26 PM)
By FDD's standards this book now completely refutes all of the global warming skeptics forever http://www.newsweek.com/id/233942 BTW it actually is about what may be an important dismantling of a very influential book.

TheHeretic -> RE: OPPS...There Go the Rising Sea Levels! (2/22/2010 9:10:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen I've read a lot of articles on climate change in the last few years You must be very bitter about the time you wasted doing that. Go ahead, let it out. We're here to see you through the stages of grief over the death of your religion. You can get angry at me, if it will help.

DomKen -> RE: OPPS...There Go the Rising Sea Levels! (2/22/2010 9:18:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen I've read a lot of articles on climate change in the last few years You must be very bitter about the time you wasted doing that. Go ahead, let it out. We're here to see you through the stages of grief over the death of your religion. You can get angry at me, if it will help. Did you actually think that was funny? BTW what do you think of the Newsweek article?

Icarys -> RE: OPPS...There Go the Rising Sea Levels! (2/22/2010 9:32:20 PM)
One of the problems with a dismissive line of thinking is it's inability to sometimes take the time to make sure they have all of the facts. With something as important as this one might think it a better approach to check..recheck and then check again. On such a large time scale as the earths system itself functions on maybe we should'nt take our eye off the ball just yet. Truthfully I see evidence that something is happening on a global scale..Is it caused by man? Not sure if we are the only culprits but I am sure of one thing...We are one of them..If nothing more...I would think it evident that people knew that the mere fact we are part of a said thing means that we have influence on it. Just saying...

dcnovice -> RE: OPPS...There Go the Rising Sea Levels! (2/22/2010 9:57:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen I've read a lot of articles on climate change in the last few years You must be very bitter about the time you wasted doing that. Go ahead, let it out. We're here to see you through the stages of grief over the death of your religion. You can get angry at me, if it will help. Rich, I'm intrigued and a bit puzzled by your use of the word "religion." Do you actually see the argument that AGW is occurring as a religion akin to Christianity, Buddhism, and so forth? Or are you using "religion" as a sarcastic shorthand for what you appear to regard as a discredited, perhaps even laughable belief? The latter would be my guess based on the context, but I'm having trouble squaring that with your point in other threads that Bill Maher is a bigot for looking down on religion.

TheHeretic -> RE: OPPS...There Go the Rising Sea Levels! (2/22/2010 9:57:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys Truthfully I see evidence that something is happening on a global scale..Is it caused by man? Not sure if we are the only culprits but I am sure of one thing...We are one of them..If nothing more...I would think it evident that people knew that the mere fact we are part of a said thing means that we have influence on it. Just saying... Now there is a very reasonable position, Icarys. It is truly a shame that it was decided instead to follow the path of hysterical alarmism. One thing that troubles me greatly, in all seriousness here, is the impact the exposure of this fraud is going to have on our youth. The students who were required to watch Al's movie, write papers, and do projects on saving the world from global warming. Will they ever believe again? Unfortunately, geology is a hobby of mine, and suggesting that this planet goes through all sorts of temperature cycles has just gotten me called names, so I'm not real sympathetic to the cultists, as they fall. In fact, it's kinda like watching that episode of The Simpsons where Homer goes down the cliff in a skateboarding accident.

TheHeretic -> RE: OPPS...There Go the Rising Sea Levels! (2/22/2010 9:58:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic You must be very bitter about the time you wasted doing that. Go ahead, let it out. We're here to see you through the stages of grief over the death of your religion. You can get angry at me, if it will help. Did you actually think that was funny? It was a reference to the article I linked to, Ken.

TheHeretic -> RE: OPPS...There Go the Rising Sea Levels! (2/22/2010 10:20:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice Rich, I'm intrigued and a bit puzzled by your use of the word "religion." Do you actually see the argument that AGW is occurring as a religion akin to Christianity, Buddhism, and so forth? Or are you using "religion" as a sarcastic shorthand for what you appear to regard as a discredited, perhaps even laughable belief? The latter would be my guess based on the context, but I'm having trouble squaring that with your point in other threads that Bill Maher is a bigot for looking down on religion. Not sarcastic, DC. I think of 'religion' as being pretty much any organized system of belief that ultimately rests on faith. Completely aside from some cult-like behaviors among the warmists, their belief came down to faith in the most ridiculous of ideas - that somehow we had this shit all figured out. Was it Douglas Adams that noted that just because we could play with fire and do a little math didn't mean we were entitled to be masters of the universe? It was the voice of certainty that turned me off to their movement, and the totalitarian hijacking of the message that shifted me to opposition. I think that the sooner environmentally concerned people get busy kicking these assholes out of the big tent, the better off they, and the planet, will be. As far as Maher goes, he is welcome to his opinions. How he chooses to express them has caused me to form an opinion of him. I just don't watch his show anymore. I surfed past it this evening. He had a guest on that I like. Pity. I watched Top Gear instead.

MrRodgers -> RE: OPPS...There Go the Rising Sea Levels! (2/22/2010 11:58:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy Let's see.... The Glaciers are not actually melting at an alarming rate. Polar Bear populations are actually growing and thriving. The temperature of the planet hasn't risen a degree in the last 15 years. And now we find out The Global Warming/Climate Change and its MAN's Fault crowd has to come clean as tell us they were wrong yet again about rising sea levels. So much for settled science... http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/feb/21/sea-level-geoscience-retract-siddall Believe what you want but your post is ridiculous on its face. 2002 a chunk of the western Arctic the size of RI completely broke off and is now pieces and melting. In the last decade an estimated 77 cubic miles of the arctic has fallen into the ocean. This was photographed by NASA. So I didn't watch with my own eyes a NATGEO filmed doc. on Polar bears swimming 200 miles in 7 days...to survive ? The population shrinks as we speak. A republican gov. of SC an AGW denier...is a denier no more as he watched with his own eyes, the ocean creep up and kill his trees. The temperature rise is in the atmosphere, the air is warmer as exemplified by Al Gores snowed-in plane. The air being warmer, for the meteorogically challenged...means it holds more...that's more water. That means from now on...higher rain falls and much higher snowfalls because of green house gases. We have more CO2 in the atmosphere now than at any time in the last 20 million years.

MrRodgers -> RE: OPPS...There Go the Rising Sea Levels! (2/23/2010 12:06:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity The main problem with your train of thought is that without global warming there is now way that carbon can be defined as any kind of a poison. No kidding? Then let's try an experiment. Get some duct tape and a garden hose. Close your garage door, hook one end to the exhaust pipe of your car then take the other end and sit in your car with the windows rolled up. Then come back and tell me carbon monoxide is not a poison......................if you survive that is. Which of course has nothing to do with CO2. Not even a passable attempt at a strawman, even for you. Except that CO2 will kill you about as quickly if administered in the same way and likewise displaces enough oxygen.

luckydawg -> RE: OPPS...There Go the Rising Sea Levels! (2/23/2010 1:14:00 AM)
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rulemylife -> RE: OPPS...There Go the Rising Sea Levels! (2/23/2010 4:26:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity The main problem with your train of thought is that without global warming there is now way that carbon can be defined as any kind of a poison. No kidding? Then let's try an experiment. Get some duct tape and a garden hose. Close your garage door, hook one end to the exhaust pipe of your car then take the other end and sit in your car with the windows rolled up. Then come back and tell me carbon monoxide is not a poison......................if you survive that is. Which of course has nothing to do with CO2. Not even a passable attempt at a strawman, even for you. He didn't say CO2 he said carbon. Carbon monoxide is an obvious poison but so is carbon dioxide at certain levels: Toxicity of Carbon Dioxide CO2 Gas Exposure, poisoning symptoms Toxic levels of carbon dioxide: According to occupational exposure and controlled atmosphere research into CO2 toxicology, CO2 is hazardous via direct toxicity at levels above 5%, concentrations not encountered in nature [except perhaps at or near an active volcano or at water-logged soils]. At these high levels there is risk of death from carbon dioxide poisoning. At lower levels there may health effects and there certainly are complaints of exposure at lower levels. In the preceding section of this article, at CO2 POISONING SYMPTOMS we discussed symptoms of carbon dioxide exposure. On specific individuals, the effects of exposure to elevated levels of carbon dioxide (CO2) vary by individual and with exposure level, and exposure duration, ranging from drowsiness (perhaps at levels over 1000 ppm continuous exposure) to the toxic effects listed just above.

Sanity -> RE: OPPS...There Go the Rising Sea Levels! (2/23/2010 6:03:04 AM)
Regarding the paragraph I bolded, this is actually cause to rejoice. Skepticism is a healthy thing, and we were a generation perilously close to forgetting that. Obviously. quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Now there is a very reasonable position, Icarys. It is truly a shame that it was decided instead to follow the path of hysterical alarmism. One thing that troubles me greatly, in all seriousness here, is the impact the exposure of this fraud is going to have on our youth. The students who were required to watch Al's movie, write papers, and do projects on saving the world from global warming. Will they ever believe again? Unfortunately, geology is a hobby of mine, and suggesting that this planet goes through all sorts of temperature cycles has just gotten me called names, so I'm not real sympathetic to the cultists, as they fall. In fact, it's kinda like watching that episode of The Simpsons where Homer goes down the cliff in a skateboarding accident.

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