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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

My hatred of people is entirely based on  the individual performance, regardless of race, creed, color or gender.

And I generally lean more toward loathing rather than hatred.

I am a mellow kinda guy that way.


Jeff

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ORIGINAL: AnimusRex

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

My hatred of people is entirely based on  the individual performance, regardless of race, creed, color or gender.

And I generally lean more toward loathing rather than hatred.

I am a mellow kinda guy that way.


Jeff

You sound like George Carlin, when he said he liked people well enough in twos or threes, but anything larger than that, and people started wearing armbands and choosing up sides.

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ORIGINAL: Dominasola

Is this lack of the portrayal of a positive male dominant in entertainment because of misandry? 

You are kidding right?  All the cops and soldiers and heroes don't count as male dominants?


Is it because of the empowerment of the female, or because of the dehumanization of the male? 

Popular entertainment is dehumanizing to everyone involved; the talent, the producers and the audience.  Whatever will potentially sell the most is created, distributed and promoted.


Why is it okay to depict a woman flogging a man, but the opposite would be seen as abuse (even if it is consensual)?

Because of the general disparity between male and female upper body strength and the all too common problem of domestic violence.


And perhaps as an extension of these questions, is misandry present in BDSM as a whole? 

Not in my experience.

Have (straight) female dominants ever felt that they are actively adding to the popular mentality of misandry by performing acts that may be perceived as dehumanizing or demonizing men? 

Not in my experience.


Have (straight) male dominants ever felt pressure from society for being in a position of power that is not generally accepted anymore?

I cannot answer for others.

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

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ORIGINAL: TopChuck

Great name for a Domme!

"MisAndry"

Horrible name for a Domme in my opinion.

- LA

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ORIGINAL: Lorenzo19
I have noticed that there seems to be more than in the past of fem subs who are not interested in single Men or only Fem Doms or insist there be a Fem Dom in the relationship. Maybe there is some unconscience misandry creeping into BDSM and D/s. But I wouldnt go so far to say girls not into Men are victims of misandry.

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ORIGINAL: TopChuck

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

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ORIGINAL: TopChuck

Great name for a Domme!

"MisAndry"

Horrible name for a Domme in my opinion.

- LA

Ah, MisOgyny?

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist



I just don’t see misandry as out of balance in the media or world. I see plenty of misogyny and chauvinism in the media with plenty of T-shirts to back it up. Admittedly films like Salo: 120 Days of Sodom are supposed to create ill feelings towards the dominant protagonists in the story. But it was a symbolic political statement in the guise of a major motion picture about BDSM and you were supposed to hate those in control. Western society may be more sexually conservative. The US is one of the few nations that doesn’t have nudity on public TV. But I don't think we a gateway for misandry.



You speak of Jabba the Hutt. When I think of Jabba, I think of how he started as a spice smuggler and worked his way up to a seat of power. That seat came complete with frog serving slave wenches and sexy tentacle head bitches on chain but he wasn’t a Dominant BDSM style figure. Roots had plenty of slaves on a chain but it wasn’t about BDSM. Anyway, like the southerners in Roots, most of the Hutt species kept servants.



Luke started the chaos that saved Leia. During the chaos, she shorted out the lighting gear distracting Jabba, jumped his tail, wrapped her slave chain around his neck and strangle him to death. Even after his death, she was still his captive and was freed from her restraints by R2-D2. Everybody dies, it is how you live, and Jabba had a good life from hosting the races, fathering his son Rotta to the capture of his adversaries . . . which is what eventually cost him his life.

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There is a lot of BDSM portrayed in the major motion pictures and indy movies alike. The Dom/mes, subs and etc run the gamut in a spectrum of roles from misogynist, misandrist to plain ol' Joes and Janes. My movie list is a little different than LA’s.



Blind Beast (1969) aka: "Mojuu", "Moju", "Warehouse"
Satrring: Eiji Funakoshi, Mako Midori
Directed by: Japanese New Wave cinema, auteur Yasuzo Masumara.

Flower & Snake (2005)
Director: Takashi Ishii

Flower and Snake II (2006)
Genre: Drama
SubTitles: English
Dubbed: Japanese

Marquis de Sade's Justine (1968) [Uncut]
aka: Deadly Sanctuary, Justine, Justine and Juliet, Justine ovvero le disavventure della virtù
Genres: Horror and Erotica/Adult (cut vs uncut)
Starring: Klaus Kinski, Romina Power
Director: Jesus Franco Rating

In My Skin (2002)
Starring: Marina de Van, Laurent Lucas
Director: Marina de Van

The Night Porter (2000)
Starring: Dirk Bogarde Charlotte Rampling Philippe Leroy
Director: Liliana Cavani
Genre: Drama

Seduced: Pretty When You Cry (2002)
Starring: Sam Elliott Jamie Kennedy Carlton Elizabeth
Director: Jack N. Green
Genre: Thriller

Eugenie ... The Story of Her Journey Into Perversion (1969)
Starring: Marie Liljedahl Maria Rohm Jack Taylor
Director: Jesús Franco

Baise-Moi (2005)
Genre: Crime
Starring: Raffaela Anderson Karen Bach
Directors: Virginie Despentes Coralie Trinh Thi
Note: translation: rape me. Rumors are that it was banned in France.

School of the Holy Beast (2005)
Starring: Yumi Takigawa Emiko Yamauchi Fumio Watanabe
Director: Noribumi Suzuki
Genre: Drama
(gotta' love nuns & whips)

A Year Without Love (2005)
Starring: Juan Minujín, Mimí Ardú
Director: Anahi Berneri

The Pet (2006)
Starring: Pierre Du Lat, Steven Wollenberg, Jane Steele, Summer Nguyen, Paris Wang
Directed By: D. Stevens

Preaching to the Perverted (1998)
Starring: Guinevere Turner, Christien Anholt
Director: Stuart Urban

Salo: 120 Days of Sodom (1975)
Starring: Paolo Bonacelli Umberto Paolo Quintavalle Caterina Boratto
Director: Pier Paolo Pasolini

Primo Amore (2004)
Starring: Vitaliano Trevisan, Michela Cescon
Director: Matteo Garrone

Sadomania (1981) aka: "Hellhole Women", "Sadomania (El Infierno de la Pasion)", "Sadomania - Holle der Lust"
Starring: Ursula Buchfellner, Ajita Wilson
Director: Jesus Franco (also listed in some sources Robert Griffin)

Sick: The Life and Death of Bob Flanagan, Supermasochist (1997)
Genres: Documentary
Starring: Kathe Burkhart, Kirby Dick
Director: Kirby Dick

Black Snake Moan (2007)
Starring: Samuel L. Jackson, Christina Ricci, Justin Timberlake, S. Epatha Merkerson
Directed By: Craig Brewer

Death Dancers (1993)
Starring: Deborah Dutch, Anne Gaybis, Sunset Thomas (Penthouse Pet)
Director: Jason Holt

Love is the Devil: Study for a Portrait of Francis Bacon (2000)
Starring: Derek Jacobi Daniel Craig Tilda Swinton
Director: John Maybury
AMG Rating:
Genre: Drama
(based on bio)

Last Tango in Paris (1972) [Uncut] aka: Ultimo tango a Parigi
Starring: Marlon Brando Maria Schneider Maria Michi
Director: Bernardo Bertolucci

Sade (2000)
Starring: Daniel Auteuil Marianne Denicourt Jeanne Balibar
Director: Benoît Jacquot
Genre: Drama

Lies (1999)
Starring: Sang Hyun Lee, Tae Yeon Kim
Director: Sun-Woo Jang
NOTE: The film is based on a book which caused writer to end up in jail.

Caligula (Unrated Version) (1980)
Starring: Malcolm McDowell, Teresa Ann Savoy
Director: Tinto Brass

The Story of O (1975)
Starring: Corinne Clery, Udo Kier
Director: Just Jaeckin

New Love in Tokyo (1995)
Starring: Sawa Suzuki, Reiko Kataoka
Director: Banmei Takahashi

Secretary (2002)
Starring: James Spader, Maggie Gyllenhaal
Director: Steven Shainberg

The Torture Chamber of Dr. Sadism (1967)
Starring: Lex Barker, Karin Dor, Dieter Eppler, Christopher Lee
Director: Harald Reinl

Bacchanales Sexuelles (1973)
Starring: Joëlle Coeur, Marie-France Morel
Director: Jean Rollin

Bondage Payback
Starring: Chesty
Director: Felix Dartmouth

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ORIGINAL: ordinary

I enjoy classic movies because the men hold strong leads. They are protective, charismatic, charming, witty, and know how to dress. What changed? The TIMES.

The saying about the pendelum is right. Look back at the old black and white movies and you see they're rampant with male leads who have very strong, somewhat dominant characters that even transfer over to the public's view of their personal lives.

Carry Grant comes to mind. So does Bogart. Hell, even more recently we've been blessed with talent like Harrison Ford, Richard Gere, and George Clooney.

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ORIGINAL: Madame4a


In entertainment (my emphasis) its about just that.. and Hollywood.. and nothing actually all that truthful or real... so the use the mainstream archetype which is always the black latex clad (or similar) dominatrix with either a whip or crop...

I don't think it has a thing to do with misandry, empowerment, or dehumanization.. its just not that deep.. its about sensationalism and what sells...

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ORIGINAL: TopChuck

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

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ORIGINAL: TopChuck

Great name for a Domme!

"MisAndry"

Horrible name for a Domme in my opinion.

- LA

Ah, MisOgyny?

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

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ORIGINAL: TopChuck

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

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ORIGINAL: TopChuck

Great name for a Domme!

"MisAndry"

Horrible name for a Domme in my opinion.

- LA

Ah, MisOgyny?

That would be an oxymoron. Stick to your day job ;-)

- LA

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Besides, doesn't oxymoron refer to a phrase?

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Misandry is just like any other hatred:

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the people doing it will never admit to it.

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ORIGINAL: Lorenzo19

Misandry is just like any other hatred: the people doing it will never admit to it. And if they do they will justify it endlessly with weak evidence. To prove they are actually doing us all a favor.

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

My hatred of people is entirely based on  the individual performance, regardless of race, creed, color or gender.

And I generally lean more toward loathing rather than hatred.

I am a mellow kinda guy that way.


Jeff

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ORIGINAL: Lorenzo19

Misandry is just like any other hatred: the people doing it will never admit to it. And if they do they will justify it endlessly with weak evidence. To prove they are actually doing us all a favor.


I agree with LadyA..........very untrue. I hate people that are purposely obtuse and will gladly admit it. No evidence required, weak or not. I also hate narrow minded people, people that are always negative, people that blame others for their problems, people that run through life with an excuse book as to why they fail at everything.........and so on.