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RE: What About Misandry? - 2/25/2010 12:57:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Anyway... Misandry is a word that was recently coined. That is indicative of the trend in society.

I personally am a philandrist.

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RE: What About Misandry? - 2/25/2010 1:18:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Misandrist is man-hater.
Misogynist is woman-hater.
Misanthrope means hater of ALL people ("mankind")
Philandrist is a man-lover
Philogynist is a woman-lover.
Philanthrope is a lover of all people (usually used to mean someone who does a lot of charitable work or gives lots of money to good causes)


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RE: What About Misandry? - 2/25/2010 7:38:48 PM   
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Philanthrope is a lover of all people (usually used to mean someone who does a lot of charitable work or gives lots of money to good causes)


As opposed to ambisexual slut? ;-)

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RE: What About Misandry? - 2/25/2010 8:05:15 PM   
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Misandrist is man-hater.
Misogynist is woman-hater.
Misanthrope means hater of ALL people ("mankind")
Philandrist is a man-lover
Philogynist is a woman-lover.
Philanthrope is a lover of all people (usually used to mean someone who does a lot of charitable work or gives lots of money to good causes)



I guess all that makes me a Philatelist.

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RE: What About Misandry? - 2/25/2010 9:15:57 PM   
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Besides, doesn't oxymoron refer to a phrase?


No, it is any figure of speech that combines contraditory terms, like jumbo shrimp, serious joke.

In this case though, the term isn't really moronic as the juxtaposition of the two terms does not create a paradox.

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Gosh, I hate to quibble, but you've expressed my objection in your response.  ". . that combines contraditory terms".  "Misogeny" is one term.

All the definitions mean two or more separate words are necessary to create a "figure of speech".  "Jumbo Shrimp" is thus, a "figure of speech".  Misogeny, misandry, misanthrope are not "figures of speech".

Oxymoron does indeed require a phrase, which as I've noted does consist of terms; the plural of term, not a single term.

Please provide a word that means a single word contains that contradiction in term.  (I think there is one, but I can't remember it.)  Or, I believe we can only agree that you mean a "contradiction in term"; which I won't agree to anyway; because a woman can still hate women.  So, it wouldn't be one of those things for which I want a word that means "contradiction in term".

And, now, admittedly - the main problem is that I have no day job.  And, as you may have noted, I'm very sensitive.

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RE: What About Misandry? - 2/25/2010 10:05:22 PM   
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Misogeny, misandry, misanthrope are not "figures of speech".


No, but the way you combined 2 words Mis Anthrope and Mis Andry as a play on words was close to that. And I've already taken back that oxymoron wasn't the right word.

Anyhow, I'm not going to split hairs with you. Bottom line, they are lousy nicks for Dommes ;-)

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And, now, admittedly - the main problem is that I have no day job.  And, as you may have noted, I'm very sensitive.


It is an expression, don't quit your day job, which means you weren't so crafty at coming up with nicknames for Dommes. I wasn't aware you were unemployed. Apologies if I offended you.

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RE: What About Misandry? - 2/26/2010 11:42:44 AM   
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Misogeny, misandry, misanthrope are not "figures of speech".


[1.] {A} No, but the way you combined 2 words Mis Anthrope and Mis Andry as a play on words was close to that. {B} And I've already taken back that oxymoron wasn't the right word.

[2.] {A} Anyhow, I'm not going to split hairs with you. {B} Bottom line, they are lousy nicks for Dommes ;-)

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And, now, admittedly - the main problem is that I have no day job.  And, as you may have noted, I'm very sensitive.


[3.] {A} It is an expression, don't quit your day job, which means you weren't so crafty at coming up with nicknames for Dommes. {B} I wasn't aware you were unemployed. Apologies if I offended you.

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[1.] {A} "Mis" and "anthrope" are not words.  "Mis" is a prefix and "anthrope" doesn't seem to be much of anything, although "anthropo" apparently is a "combining" form, according to my Funking Wagnalls.
{B} I didn't know you were recanting your suggestion of oxymoronicism., because I didn't read your statement about "moronic" as signifying a refutation; I thought it a play on words.  "Moronic" and "oxymoronic" don't seem to be related.

I guess "moronic" was an insult, huh?

Now, I see your recantation as ambiguous.  "MisAmbiguous" as another Domme moniker?  That does combine two terms, if a prefix is a term.  Still not contradictory, in my opinion.

[2.]  {A} Way too late to avoid splitting hairs.  This whole dialogue began and continues as hair splitting, including, of course, the present post.  Now, I'm wondering if we're splitting longitudinally or the other way, whatever that is.

[3] {A} I disagree with your evaluation of my craftiness and now, the ad hominem reference, to the extent it may be a personal affront.  I might consider getting a cross dominance operation, just to submit to a Domme named MisAndry.  What could be more masochistic than submitting to a man hater?
{B} I'm not offended by your comment about not quitting my day job.  I work nights.  I'll apply the apology to the ad hominem, if that's what it was.  If it wasn't I'll just use the apology in some other matter, so it doesn't go to waste.

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I'd still like to know the word describing an intrinsically contradictory word.

Oh, and bottom line:  They are all great names for Dommes as far as I'm concerned. I still harbor some resentment about arbiters of the quality of nicknames.  Is being judgmental a general characteristic of Dommes?



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RE: What About Misandry? - 2/27/2010 11:53:23 PM   
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You've got to be kidding, right? The enormous majority of Hollywood movies are movies by men, about men, for men, with women used as accessories and stereotypes of femininity.

The very few Hollywood movies that are about women tend to pander to the stupidest cliches (brainless bimbos who live for handbags, shoes, shopping and worrying about who will marry them).

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2009/feb/08/hollywood-cinema-female-leads

Seriously: the "persecution" of your gender at the hands of the media is a pure product of your imagination.


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RE: What About Misandry? - 2/28/2010 12:50:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		I used to be a Misandrist and a Philogynist, until I learned that all little girls were not so nice. Now, I'm simply a jaded Misanthrope who loves those close to him.

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RE: What About Misandry? - 2/28/2010 1:05:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Misandry i will leave to the lesboes in here. Lots of them seems to swing that way. me? I am just a philanderer
By the way., Whiplash, would you mind putting out a garden chair for me too. I would love to see that little show

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RE: What About Misandry? - 2/28/2010 4:00:05 AM   
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RE: What About Misandry? - 2/28/2010 4:27:44 AM   
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RE: What About Misandry? - 2/28/2010 6:03:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		"Is this lack of the portrayal of a positive male dominant in entertainment because of misandry?  Is it because of the empowerment of the female, or because of the dehumanization of the male?  Why is it okay to depict a woman flogging a man, but the opposite would be seen as abuse (even if it is consensual)?

And perhaps as an extension of these questions, is misandry present in BDSM as a whole?  Have (straight) female dominants ever felt that they are actively adding to the popular mentality of misandry by performing acts that may be perceived as dehumanizing or demonizing men?  Have (straight) male dominants ever felt pressure from society for being in a position of power that is not generally accepted anymore?"

Honestly.

misandry.

I wonder if all those mis words begin that way because they're MISsing something basic.

It's a joke, before someone climbs on a pedestal and starts lecturing on the etymology.

I see it as a niche market, in company with cuckolds and cake farters. I would have never known the latter existed had it not been for a link I found here. http://www.cakefarter.com/

Basically, I'm not politically correct so I don't feel the pressures you're talking about  in the lines above. I don't hang with nor tolerate very well people who are, so again, I don't feel that much exposure to the feeling in those lines either. I think people who hate just to hate, or feel a need to dehumanize based upon what someone is, aren't much different than any of the screwed up segments of society that have ever existed, including slave owners prior to the civil war.

Usually when I run into stuff like this in real life, I end up either running the fucks off or leaving myself, the determined action usually dependent upon where I am and how pissy they are. Then again, I usually get along fairly well with most folks, even the haters.

Can't say much about the TV business because I don't watch much of it and what i do watch rarely has anything to do with social commentary. I think the stereotypes you mention are still built around the weaker female image. Why? Mostly because it's in a developed society. In other words, for it to exist and not be eradicated, society has to be developed enough to have a legal structure to offer a wall of protection.

Yes, I know. History contains examples of every imaginable form of human interaction, including hatred of all types. No need to go dig out half a dozen links to prove some esoteric point.




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RE: What About Misandry? - 2/28/2010 2:09:23 PM   
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RE: What About Misandry? - 2/28/2010 6:45:47 PM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7vtyheqPVU

LOL... I Loved it :-) what's sad is that it's true for so many people.

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RE: What About Misandry? - 2/28/2010 6:50:38 PM   
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You've got to be kidding, right? The enormous majority of Hollywood movies are movies by men, about men, for men, with women used as accessories and stereotypes of femininity.

The very few Hollywood movies that are about women tend to pander to the stupidest cliches (brainless bimbos who live for handbags, shoes, shopping and worrying about who will marry them).

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2009/feb/08/hollywood-cinema-female-leads

Seriously: the "persecution" of your gender at the hands of the media is a pure product of your imagination.


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You only see what you want to see. Have fun handbag shopping .

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RE: What About Misandry? - 2/28/2010 7:16:43 PM   
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Misandry i will leave to the lesboes in here. Lots of them seems to swing that way. me? I am just a philanderer
By the way., Whiplash, would you mind putting out a garden chair for me too. I would love to see that little show


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RE: What About Misandry? - 2/28/2010 7:31:59 PM   
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Lesboes?


Yeah, you know, the citizens of Lebos, cousins of Sappho ;-)

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RE: What About Misandry? - 2/28/2010 7:42:55 PM   
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You've got to be kidding, right? The enormous majority of Hollywood movies are movies by men, about men, for men, with women used as accessories and stereotypes of femininity.

The very few Hollywood movies that are about women tend to pander to the stupidest cliches (brainless bimbos who live for handbags, shoes, shopping and worrying about who will marry them).

[...]

You only see what you want to see. Have fun handbag shopping .


Your problem is that you think anyone who enjoys shopping and is happy about getting married is a brainless bimbo. I love to shop. So do all my friends. We gossiped about boys and makeup even back when we were the "nerds" in high school.

There's no arbitrary line between intelligent and girly, it's people like you who insist on drawing one. Chick flicks aren't deep, meaningful films, any more than action movies are.

And seriously, that article was utterly inane. Of course if you compare the best movies of the 1940's with the worst movies of the 2000's the modern movies will come up short. And the point they're making - that movies today are more sexist than movies made in the 40's - is pure sensationalist garbage. Here, check this if you want to go back to 40's film - http://www.amazon.com/Women-WWII-Contributions-Including-Manufacturing/dp/B000J2EOYW - a whole DVD about how sexist and "gendered" war film propaganda was. And Dr. How the hell did she get a PhD who mentioned Juno as one of the few feminist films today really needs to go and find a positive portrayal of teen pregnancy from the 1940's. Really. Or STFU.

And whoever Idiot McStupidpants was that said chick flicks are made for male audiences needs to be strung up. I can't imagine how that quote even got published. And more importantly I can't imagine why any traditional feminist would try to use the argument "women had it much better in the 1940's" and then use a Jane Austen heroine as an example of the "liberated" woman, after all the bullshit I've read about how Lizzie Bennet should have turned Darcy down if she was really a feminist...y'all now use her as an example of liberated.

FFS. It's got to be a joke. Sometimes I wonder if the joke is on you guys, if whoever writes these articles purposely goes and finds the dumbest feminists with the most specious arguments imaginable just to give you guys a bad name. But so long as people actually link this shit in defense of their POV I can't feel sympathy.

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RE: What About Misandry? - 2/28/2010 9:58:29 PM   
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You've got to be kidding, right? The enormous majority of Hollywood movies are movies by men, about men, for men, with women used as accessories and stereotypes of femininity.

Well, this wasn't necessarily intended to be about (non-BDSM) comparative gender issues.

OP: "Abuse unto males by women in relationships is an interesting and not often talked about issue."

Responder: "You know how many more women are abused by males instead?!"


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