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Limbaugh criticizes health care reform as "a civil... - 2/23/2010 11:12:08 PM

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Limbaugh criticizes health care reform as "a civil rights bill" and "reparations"

Rush has done it again, now the health reform bill is reparations and wealth redistribution.

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RE: Limbaugh criticizes health care reform as "a c... - 2/23/2010 11:35:02 PM

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The man is a racist, his mind on race always comparing this to reparations.

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RE: Limbaugh criticizes health care reform as "a c... - 2/23/2010 11:41:43 PM

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He's right this time (ding ding ding).

Fuck racism, what we are in is a class war if anyone can open their eyes and see it. It IS reparations.

And it is certainly wealth redistribution.

Just take that and disregard the additional comments which are made by a trustee of modern chemistry.

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RE: Limbaugh criticizes health care reform as "a c... - 2/24/2010 4:59:35 AM

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If you ignore the silly "reparations" claim, Rush has a point. The people benefiting from it will be more skewed towards minorities than the folks who already have health care.

Not that that makes a difference. If there is a universal right to health care, it must of course be colorblind.

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RE: Limbaugh criticizes health care reform as "a c... - 2/24/2010 5:04:16 AM

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I had no idea that ensuring health care for all could be construed with "wealth redistribution"! That's insane!

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RE: Limbaugh criticizes health care reform as "a c... - 2/24/2010 5:12:16 AM

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If you ignore the silly "reparations" claim, Rush has a point. The people benefiting from it will be more skewed towards minorities than the folks who already have health care.

Not that that makes a difference. If there is a universal right to health care, it must of course be colorblind.

Which implies that minorities are the only ones without health care and everyone else already has it.

It also makes the erroneous assumption that those with health care will not benefit. One of the groups that will benefit the most are those who are self-insured. Those participating in employer health plans have certain protections from rate increases, among other things, that an individual purchasing on their own does not.

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RE: Limbaugh criticizes health care reform as "a c... - 2/24/2010 5:16:35 AM

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If you ignore the silly "reparations" claim, Rush has a point. The people benefiting from it will be more skewed towards minorities than the folks who already have health care.

Not that that makes a difference. If there is a universal right to health care, it must of course be colorblind.

Which implies that minorities are the only ones without health care and everyone else already has it.

Nope. Reread my post. I did not speak in absolutes. I said that the population not receiving health care is more skewed towards minorities than those who do. I never said that either population contained only minorities or none of them.

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It also makes the erroneous assumption that those with health care will not benefit. One of the groups that will benefit the most are those who are self-insured. Those participating in employer health plans have certain protections from rate increases, among other things, that an individual purchasing on their own does not.

Interesting point. But I still think that the biggest benefits will be the HMOs.

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RE: Limbaugh criticizes health care reform as "a c... - 2/24/2010 5:24:07 AM

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I had no idea that ensuring health care for all could be construed with "wealth redistribution"! That's insane!

Not at all. Having a job with benefits, as opposed to no job or one without, is one of the differences between the haves and the have-nots in the US today. Extending health are to all would narrow that gap. And it would be paid for from some entity that would ultimately be funded through taxes or through some shift in premiums. Either way, the haves would be helping the have-nots pay.

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RE: Limbaugh criticizes health care reform as "a c... - 2/24/2010 9:10:37 AM

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If anyone has been paying attention to the rising cost of health care and health insurance it becomes increasingly clear that in the not-so-distant future everyone will be priced out of the market... today it is the poor that must go without, tomorrow it will be you going without. I suppose those whining about "paying for other people" will perhaps have a different attitude when it is their ass lining up at a free clinic paid for by philanthropic people like my Daddy...

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This system needs to be fixed. Health insurance companies make money by denying care to sick people. Sick people are already a vulnerable population without much recourse to fight back. In my opinion health insurance companies are blood sucking leeches profiting from the suffering of others and causing the suffering of others. This is definitely something that needs to go over into the public services sector like our justice system is....

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RE: Limbaugh criticizes health care reform as "a c... - 2/24/2010 3:30:58 PM

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In my opinion health insurance companies are blood sucking leeches profiting from the suffering of others and causing the suffering of others.

Couldn't the same be said for Big Pharma, and the medical business in general?

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RE: Limbaugh criticizes health care reform as "a c... - 2/24/2010 3:41:49 PM

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If you ignore the silly "reparations" claim, Rush has a point.

I'd listen to your points a whole lot quicker than I'd listen to rushes points. I don't (usually) click on the clips of him ranting, because I watched an interview of good ole Rush bragging how easy it is for him to yank the media's chain (note...NOT yank a republicans chain, or a democrats chain, or anyones chain but the media's. He said (not verbatim, but very close). "I can yank the chain of the media anytime I want, and I can do it so good that they'll listen to me and only me for days." I can and have once even provided the link to that interview. But that was the last time I gave Rush any attention of any kind. He could care less about anything but his ratings and how to keep him. I guess he feels if he could milk those ratings thru the politicians more power to him. There sure are enough of us (well, not me personally) out there, that are willing to take his word as gospel. While he's only spewing words for a paycheck. Mmhmm.

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RE: Limbaugh criticizes health care reform as "a c... - 2/24/2010 4:27:02 PM

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In my opinion health insurance companies are blood sucking leeches profiting from the suffering of others and causing the suffering of others.

Couldn't the same be said for Big Pharma, and the medical business in general?

This thread is about health reform.. my comments should not be taken as being mutually exclusive

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RE: Limbaugh criticizes health care reform as "a c... - 2/24/2010 4:36:03 PM

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are blood sucking leeches profiting from the suffering of others and causing the suffering of others.

You can insert politicians and government at the beginning of that sentence and it would be just at true. Something to think about.

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RE: Limbaugh criticizes health care reform as "a c... - 2/24/2010 4:41:43 PM

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are blood sucking leeches profiting from the suffering of others and causing the suffering of others.

You can insert politicians and government at the beginning of that sentence and it would be just at true. Something to think about.

When it comes to medical care, how so?

I mean can you provide explicit examples of the government siphoning off surplus money that was supposed to go to treating diseases in countries that have a more socialist approach to medical care? Are monies going to provide multimillion dollar bonuses to government employees for denying care to citizens? I would really like something analogous to what I said in the form of governments leeching off of the pain of their sickest most neediest citizens when it come to the health care system in the same way that health insurance companies do, who profit from denying care to those who are giving them money to provide it. These institution's sole obligation is to the shareholders, not policy holders...

Please, facts, not rhetoric

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RE: Limbaugh criticizes health care reform as "a c... - 2/24/2010 4:54:50 PM

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I was talking about our politicians, and yes they do funnel multimillion dollar "bonuses" to all sorts of pet projects and donors (tax exemptions or contracts). How much money do you thing is spent administering the various medicare and medicaid programs, how about denying claims, or denying services for various reasons?

Of course these politicians spend millions every couple years to get elected so that they can hold on to $140k a year job. There is nothing in it for them. The easiest way to maintain power is to create a problem and have the people keep coming back to you for treatments. Most Americans now believe that the politicians are bound to the special interests and biggest donors and not to we the people (shareholders).

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RE: Limbaugh criticizes health care reform as "a c... - 2/24/2010 5:07:56 PM

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Throw some support behind that, Thadius.

You know, I had a choice which insurance plan I wanted--several HMOs, and a state run plan. I went with the state plan, even though it costs more and is sometimes a tangle of forms. It has more choice, and I trust the state more than the HMOs. And given the mess our state is in, that's saying something. But I have no complaints about the care at all.

Trouble is, if I stopped doing that work, that insurance would be gone (short of very expensive COBRA). I think I should always have that affordable choice, and so should everyone else.

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RE: Limbaugh criticizes health care reform as "a c... - 2/24/2010 5:10:46 PM

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ow much money do you thing is spent administering the various medicare and medicaid programs, how about denying claims, or denying services for various reasons?

I asked for specifics... not these generalized statements.

By every measure countries with socialized medicine pay less and live longer. There is no need for a middle man to deny coverage... why are we paying health insurance companies to ration care for us? And just freaking forget it if we really get sick... then we are just shit out of luck until we spend every dime we ever made on saving our ass, and most of us will trade it all to live a little longer, why should we have to?

Here is the thing, we have government to provide the services to us that private industry find little profit in providing, especially when one pencils in the start up costs... such is the case with electrifying the South and with building dams. If the private sector cannot provide the services they are paid to render because it is too expensive for them, well it is time for them to get the fuck out of business and let the people take over. That is where we are now.

I resent strongly that these mutha fuckas take people's hard earned money to insure their health year after year, and then when the chips are down and they need to cash in on their policy the insurance companies make them fight it or just find ways to renege on the entire thing. They are not straight up, they have unfair practices, they are unethical, and they have to be stopped because they are harming people, innocent hard working people who pay their way in life. It is not like these people have their hands out, they paid their premiums.

I can give link after link of instances where insurance companies deal in bad faith with the people they are supposed to be serving for the almighty dolla, I am asking for you to document a country that has socialized medicine that does the same to their people.

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RE: Limbaugh criticizes health care reform as "a c... - 2/24/2010 5:23:30 PM

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AMA report, it is kind of a long pdf.

Here is a fun chart from it... guess who denies more charges and claims than any other insurance provider....

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RE: Limbaugh criticizes health care reform as "a c... - 2/24/2010 5:30:03 PM

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Could you even provide the page of the photo, or you expect people to go through the entire thing?

Edited to add, all those companies get subsidies to provide care... we are paying for them...

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RE: Limbaugh criticizes health care reform as "a c... - 2/24/2010 5:34:23 PM

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Could you even provide the page of the photo, or you expect people to go through the entire thing?

Edited to add, all those companies get subsidies to provide care... we are paying for them...

Yep, and guess who is getting kickbacks for continuing those subsidies? The parasites we keep sending to DC.

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