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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 3/29/2006 6:07:32 PM   
messwithmyhead


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Status: offline 		This one has looked into hypnosis (check the name :P ) and must say that it is a VERY interesting subject if done properly, for this boy there is a deep interest in "going under" and being at the Dominants "beck and call". However any Hypnotist will tell Yyou that Aanyone under hypnosis will never commit anything Tthey didnt want to do.

For example, You couldnt hypnotise Ssomeone and then ask them for all Ttheir bank details because unless Tthey would normally give them the subconcious would fight the suggestion.

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 3/29/2006 6:12:41 PM   
wytchywoman


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Status: offline 		Ugh. Never mind. I just read the OP's profile and at the very end, this is what he has on his profile:

"Our slave must be willing be hypnotized.  I seek to create a village of peasants here that I will rule over."

Okaaaay. That answers any questions I have as to his credibility.


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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 3/29/2006 6:30:20 PM   
Aimtoplease101


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Status: offline 		Isn't it the case that hypnosis can't actually make someone do something they really don't want to do?  It just permits them to do something they would otherwise be afraid of, or inhibitted, from doing?  I may be wrong on this, but I've heard statements to this effect.

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 3/29/2006 7:31:35 PM   
ravn


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Status: offline 		Truthfully, if i were to overcome the few boundaries my Master has not already abolished, i would like to do it of my own volition. To think of submitting and having the extreme act of trust degraded and pushed aside by a method would tear me in two. I feel that the use of hypnosis to 'help' a slave/sub past their fears isn't helping at all. It shows the slave that you don't think she could trust you that much on her own, that you've gone ahead and made an integral part of the relationship simply an inanimate object if you will. If Your slave doesn't trust you enough try giving it time, if after that she still doesn't trust you not to harm her, then it most likely is a hard limit in the making and shouldn't be pushed fiddled with. The human mind is complex and varies between individuals and the right to act of our own free will and the desire to please should always remain in the hands of the one on bottom.

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 3/29/2006 7:40:32 PM   
OneX2


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Status: offline 		If hypnosis was magic I would be living in a even nicer house using some one else’s money, and have many more cars. I actually never mentioned mind control, though many people enjoy reaching that state of no thought in trance/meditation/hypnosis. This is no different than any other style of play here. While here I do expect that not every one will be happy with this idea- I do expect civility in the sharing of ideas. I will simply say “I think the lady does protest to much.”

Joseph

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 3/29/2006 7:51:24 PM   
LuckyAlbatross


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Status: offline 		Hypnosis thread links:
http://www.collarchat.com/m_146203/mpage_1/key_hypnosis/tm.htm
Hypnosis
http://www.collarchat.com/m_131933/mpage_1/key_hypnosis/tm.htm#131955
Brainwashing
http://www.collarchat.com/m_117011/mpage_1/key_hypnosis/tm.htm#118539
Hypnosis (2)
http://www.collarchat.com/m_245428/mpage_1/key_hypnosis/tm.htm#245460
Hypnosis (3)



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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 3/29/2006 7:54:05 PM   
OneX2


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Status: offline 		I am glad to find another person with this interest here. I look forward to discussing with you your thoughts on this, and your own personal philosophy in this lifestyle.

Joseph

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 3/29/2006 7:58:34 PM   
ravn


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Status: offline 		No man can climb out beyond the limitations of his own character.  ~John Morley

nuff said? or shall i incorrectly quote Shakespeare back to you?

this is in no way meant to flame the OP or the method of 'play'-please don't misunderstand

*edited to calrify*

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 3/29/2006 8:07:38 PM   
OneX2


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Status: offline 		I have to wonder if you have ever gotten tired of people immediately judging you because you are a slave/woman etc... The better question is why would you do it to some one else if you have had it happen yourself? I don't believe my beliefs need to be defended here. The ideas can take care of themselves, and with your help can only be improved. If this is not for you move on. I am open to chat and share ideas with any one even if we don't agree. Respect is the key. Disrespect is not something I will answer to or permit in these discussions. We are far from an office environment and double blind tests for creditability. I look forward to chatting again.  Thanks again for the email. I have never been called a Mormon neo-pagan.

Joseph

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 3/29/2006 8:10:03 PM   
OneX2


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Status: offline 		That is true. You cannot force a suggestion on some one that they refuse.

Joseph

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 3/29/2006 8:24:57 PM   
OneX2


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quote:

ORIGINAL: ravn

Truthfully, if i were to overcome the few boundaries my Master has not already abolished, i would like to do it of my own volition.


To answer this piece of your statement you have to first realize that you are still a part of this process. The Master is guiding and directing you in this case as in all others.

quote:

ORIGINAL: ravn
To think of submitting and having the extreme act of trust degraded and pushed aside by a method would tear me in two. I feel that the use of hypnosis to 'help' a slave/sub past their fears isn't helping at all. It shows the slave that you don't think she could trust you that much on her own, that you've gone ahead and made an integral part of the relationship simply an inanimate object if you will.


Many people already have enough disassociation within them and by your words you can tell that when you think about this it is area that you may over using in relating to others including your Master. You mention not wanting to be felt like an object. There are many who get off on trying to feel just that. It simply is what are you trying to do with this?

quote:

ORIGINAL: ravn
If Your slave doesn't trust you enough try giving it time, if after that she still doesn't trust you not to harm her, then it most likely is a hard limit in the making and shouldn't be pushed fiddled with. The human mind is complex and varies between individuals and the right to act of our own free will and the desire to please should always remain in the hands of the one on bottom.


I actually tell any one who serves me that this is a deep and intimate connection to another. That I want to know you inside and out. So communication is a big part of what both parties wish. It also helps to eliminate a sub trying to top from the bottom.

Joseph


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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 3/29/2006 8:31:04 PM   
OneX2


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Status: offline 		Thanks for posting those links. I am just getting used to the interface of the site here. I will apologize in advance if I reply very messy.

Joseph

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 3/29/2006 8:34:05 PM   
OneX2


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quote:

ORIGINAL: ravn

No man can climb out beyond the limitations of his own character.  ~John Morley

nuff said? or shall i incorrectly quote Shakespeare back to you?

this is in no way meant to flame the OP or the method of 'play'-please don't misunderstand

*edited to calrify*


Thank you for saying that what you said was in no way meant to flame. I totally agree with you. This is about making something more of yourself every day. This is my philosophy of more than just physical training but to work on the mental. That includes all of the limiting beliefs that hold us back.

Joseph

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 3/29/2006 8:38:19 PM   
JohnWarren


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ORIGINAL: OneX2

It's great to find a person who knows a little about the subject. I do expect to get some interesting comments and questions from you.

Joseph


I don't know much about hypnotism.  My expertise is in writing books and getting them published

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 3/29/2006 9:03:03 PM   
BitaTruble


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ORIGINAL: OneX2

Utilizing the technique of conversational hypnosis and NLP, I am writing a book that will be finished soon. I am thinking about doing a column or a forum here. That is about training another with Hypnosis in a Master Slave relationship, paired with my own philosophy. It will be a journal, and even a confessional of some of my day to day happenings. It will be, to me, about sharing the experience of living in and out of the life style. I am new here and looking forward to enjoying that sense of community with like minded people. I will be looking for a female slaves and friends. I look forward to discovering how many of you have a hypno fetish. 

Joseph



I have two questions for you, if you don't mind answering them.

What is NLP?

On two occasions I've had the opportunity to be hypnotized. Neither time was I able to be put under. Both hypnotists said it was because I was 'unwilling' so they couldn't do it, but I really wanted to try. Is it possible for someone to be too logical and/or sceptical for such a procedure?

Celeste


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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 3/29/2006 9:17:27 PM   
LuckyAlbatross


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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
Is it possible for someone to be too logical and/or sceptical for such a procedure?

Celeste



Yes. Plus, if you're too hyped up and AWARE of being hypnotized, it makes it harder.  I've had some great hypno sessions, and some that just didn't go through because I was too into the act of being hypnotized that I couldn't just let it happen.

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 3/29/2006 10:51:00 PM   
ownedgirlie


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Status: offline 		i have a Dominant friend who is a big proponent of NLP - Neurolinguistic Programming.  As i understand it, it is the idea of redirecting the brain from "bad programming" we have received along the way in life.  In other words, shedding baggage. 

Here's some info on it:  http://www.holistic-online.com/hol_neurolinguistic.htm

Edited to add:  A person must be willing and wanting to become hypnotised in order for it to occur.  i was wonderfully hypnotised once, as a relaxing tool.  Another time i simply couldn't become hypnotised because i was too distracted by my own thoughts to allow myself to go there.

Edited again to add:  Wikipedia gives a more straight forward description:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-linguistic_programming

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 3/29/2006 11:04:02 PM   
BitaTruble


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Status: offline 		Thanks for the links, hon.. I'll check them out.

Celeste

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 3/30/2006 2:35:38 AM   
ExistentialSteel


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Status: offline 		Thanks for answering all the questions. It does appear you know the subject well even if I still have questions about your ideas. Of course getting a book published is a whole other game. Most end up being published by small, private publishers which really have no means of distribution and advertising other than a website. If you just want to say you have a book published and don't care how much money you make, this is probably your best shot. It is difficult to find a major publisher even if you write a masterpiece. Good luck and thanks again.

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 3/30/2006 6:04:56 AM   
OneX2


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Status: offline 		[/quote]

I don't know much about hypnotism.  My expertise is in writing books and getting them published
[/quote]

It's my experience we can all learn something from each other. One of the things that drives me is makes connections between the way we act and think. Seeing how the way we eat is very similar to the way we enjoy sex. Most of all you seem to love what you do. I know you have made some interesting distinctions in what drives you, your sub/slaves, and your methods.

Joseph 

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