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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

So the reason that Bush got to run an oil company as springboard to becoming President was that he was lucky enough to be chosen by our Queen to be the one to exercise her mineral rights in Texas?

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/SI/si1997/19971778.htm

This is the full text of the Order from the UK government website where all legislation is listed. The Order is a revision, to take account of changing circumstances, to an earlier Act whereby provisions for social security coverage in the UK and US are made reciprocal such that a Brit in the US or an American over here can get social security as long as he has paid contributions at home or in the other country.

There is no mention whatever of the US being declared to be a territory of the UK nor subject to our Queen.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

nowhere does it say any such a thing, you fucking stooge. where territory is defined (for us, it means OURS)!!!!!!!!!!!

" 1. "Territory" means,

as regards the United States, the States, the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the United States Virgin Islands, Guam, American Samoa and the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, yadda yadda yadda regarding UK territorial possessions.......


you fucking wastrel. hows that law working out for you, who cannot read at a 3rd grade level of comprehension?

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ORIGINAL: SaintIntensity

You have to love his little claims of victory when he posts something SO easy to refuse a stunned squirrel could do it - he is cracking up and his delusions are worsening

54 and no job, no life like I said earlier

be sad if he wasnt such a nasty, pathetic, egotistical little twat

leave Mr Fusion to his deranged rants - he wont last long - Occam's Razor is sharp - I hope it opens something important

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Article 2
This Supplementary Administrative Agreement shall enter into force on the date of entry into force of the Supplementary Agreement of this date amending the Agreement.



DONE at London on 6th June 1996 in duplicate.


FOR THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND:

William Marsden,
(Americas Director, FCO)


FOR THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA:


Timothy E. Deal,
(Minister, Embassy of the United States of America)



Its an amending agreement to an earlier agreement - its a contract if you will, which requires the agreement of both parties, those being the UK and US. It is not a decree of the Queen except insofar as it is a decree to the UK government to make it happen. I would not be surprised if a similar or related document wasnt produced over there for signature by both parties too in order to have it enacted.

Also note, in law "it goes without saying" is not of very useful application when it comes to legislation, the purpose of which is to ensure it goes because its been said.

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

FFS RO. The Queen is not decreeing anything to anyone except the UK government OK? The UK will have such reciprocal agreements with a whole load of countries, both former colonies/conquests and otherwise - its a sensible agreement to have for the protection of one's citizens. But the Queen cannot decree that the US make such arrangements any more than she might decree that (for instance) Argentina make them - it requires the agreement of the other party to make it happen, which is then embodied in an Order such as this example so that it becomes enacted as UK law. The other party will then embody the agreement in a similar fashion according to its particular system such that it becomes enacted as law in that jurisdiction too.

If the Queen had the power that you suggest to decree the laws of the US, such arrangements should not be required and no agreement could be possible still less required - she could simply decree it to be so. Of note here is that the Queen doesnt have such power even in the UK, let alone anywhere else in the world.

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The Paris Peace Treaty of 1783

In the name of the most holy and undivided Trinity.

It having pleased the Divine Providence to dispose the hearts of the most serene and most potent Prince George the Third, by the grace of God, king of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, defender of the faith, duke of Brunswick and Lunebourg, arch- treasurer and prince elector of the Holy Roman Empire etc., and of the United States of America, to forget all past misunderstandings and differences that have unhappily interrupted the good correspondence and friendship which they mutually wish to restore, and to establish such a beneficial and satisfactory intercourse , between the two countries (this acknowledges, for all parties, that the United States is an independent country) upon the ground of reciprocal advantages and mutual convenience as may promote and secure to both perpetual peace and harmony; and having for this desirable end already laid the foundation of peace and reconciliation by the Provisional Articles signed at Paris on the 30th of November 1782, by the commissioners empowered on each part, which articles were agreed to be inserted in and constitute the Treaty of Peace proposed to be concluded between the Crown of Great Britain and the said United States, but which treaty was not to be concluded until terms of peace should be agreed upon between Great Britain and France and his Britannic Majesty should be ready to conclude such treaty accordingly; and the treaty between Great Britain and France having since been concluded, his Britannic Majesty and the United States of America, in order to carry into full effect the Provisional Articles above mentioned, according to the tenor thereof, have constituted and appointed, that is to say his Britannic Majesty on his part, David Hartley, Esqr., member of the Parliament of Great Britain, and the said United States on their part, John Adams, Esqr., late a commissioner of the United States of America at the court of Versailles, late delegate in Congress from the state of Massachusetts, and chief justice of the said state, and minister plenipotentiary of the said United States to their high mightinesses the States General of the United Netherlands; Benjamin Franklin, Esqr., late delegate in Congress from the state of Pennsylvania, president of the convention of the said state, and minister plenipotentiary from the United States of America at the court of Versailles; John Jay, Esqr., late president of Congress and chief justice of the state of New York, and minister plenipotentiary from the said United States at the court of Madrid; to be plenipotentiaries for the concluding and signing the present definitive treaty; who after having reciprocally communicated their respective full powers have agreed upon and confirmed the following articles.

Article 1:

His Brittanic Majesty acknowledges the said United States, viz., New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia, to be free sovereign and independent states, that he treats with them as such, and for himself, his heirs, and successors, relinquishes all claims to the government, propriety, and territorial rights of the same and every part thereof.

The king of England acknowledges ( ac·knowl·edge Pronunciation: [\ik-ˈnä-lij, ak-\ Function: transitive verb Inflected Form(s): ac·knowl·edged; ac·knowl·edg·ing Etymology: ac- (as in accord) + knowledge
Date: 15th century] 1 : to recognize the rights, authority, or status of 2 : to disclose knowledge of or agreement with 3 a : to express gratitude or obligation for <acknowledge a gift> b : to take notice of <failed to acknowledge my greeting> c : to make known the receipt of <acknowledge a letter>
4 : to recognize as genuine or valid <acknowledge a debt>) or recognizes that the United States to be free sovereign and independent, and relinquishes (Main Entry: re·lin·quish Pronunciation: \ri-ˈliŋ-kwish, -ˈlin-\ [Function: transitive verb Etymology: Middle English relinquisshen, from Anglo-French relinquiss-, stem of relinquir, from Latin relinquere to leave behind, from re- + linquere to leave — more at loan Date: 15th century] 1 : to withdraw or retreat from : leave behind 2 : give up <relinquish a title> 3 a : to stop holding physically : release <slowly relinquished his grip on the bar> b : to give over possession or control of : yield <few leaders willingly relinquish power>) simply stated that the king gives up all claims to the government, propriety, and TERRITORIAL rights, or territory (territory (from the word 'terra', meaning 'land') is a defined area (including land and waters), considered to be a possession of a person, organization, institution, animal, state)

Article 2:

And that all disputes which might arise in future on the subject of the boundaries of the said United States may be prevented, it is hereby agreed and declared, that the following are and shall be their boundaries, viz.; from the northwest angle of Nova Scotia, viz., that nagle which is formed by a line drawn due north from the source of St. Croix River to the highlands; along the said highlands which divide those rivers that empty themselves into the river St. Lawrence, from those which fall into the Atlantic Ocean, to the northwesternmost head of Connecticut River; thence down along the middle of that river to the forty-fifth degree of north latitude; from thence by a line due west on said latitude until it strikes the river Iroquois or Cataraquy; thence along the middle of said river into Lake Ontario; through the middle of said lake until it strikes the communication by water between that lake and Lake Erie; thence along the middle of said communication into Lake Erie, through the middle of said lake until it arrives at the water communication between that lake and Lake Huron; thence along the middle of said water communication into Lake Huron, thence through the middle of said lake to the water communication between that lake and Lake Superior; thence through Lake Superior northward of the Isles Royal and Phelipeaux to the Long Lake; thence through the middle of said Long Lake and the water communication between it and the Lake of the Woods, to the said Lake of the Woods; thence through the said lake to the most northwesternmost point thereof, and from thence on a due west course to the river Mississippi; thence by a line to be drawn along the middle of the said river Mississippi until it shall intersect the northernmost part of the thirty-first degree of north latitude, South, by a line to be drawn due east from the determination of the line last mentioned in the latitude of thirty-one degrees of the equator, to the middle of the river Apalachicola or Catahouche; thence along the middle thereof to its junction with the Flint River, thence straight to the head of Saint Mary's River; and thence down along the middle of Saint Mary's River to the Atlantic Ocean; east, by a line to be drawn along the middle of the river Saint Croix, from its mouth in the Bay of Fundy to its source, and from its source directly north to the aforesaid highlands which divide the rivers that fall into the Atlantic Ocean from those which fall into the river Saint Lawrence; comprehending all islands within twenty leagues of any part of the shores of the United States, and lying between lines to be drawn due east from the points where the aforesaid boundaries between Nova Scotia on the one part and East Florida on the other shall, respectively, touch the Bay of Fundy and the Atlantic Ocean, excepting such islands as now are or heretofore have been within the limits of the said province of Nova Scotia.

This explains the agreed upon boundaries of the United States and possessions (meaning land) of Great Britain, meaning Canada.

Article 3:

It is agreed that the people of the United States shall continue to enjoy unmolested the right to take fish of every kind on the Grand Bank and on all the other banks of Newfoundland, also in the Gulf of Saint Lawrence and at all other places in the sea, where the inhabitants of both countries used at any time heretofore to fish. And also that the inhabitants of the United States shall have liberty to take fish of every kind on such part of the coast of Newfoundland as British fishermen shall use, (but not to dry or cure the same on that island) and also on the coasts, bays and creeks of all other of his Brittanic Majesty's dominions in America; and that the American fishermen shall have liberty to dry and cure fish in any of the unsettled bays, harbors, and creeks of Nova Scotia, Magdalen Islands, and Labrador, so long as the same shall remain unsettled, but so soon as the same or either of them shall be settled, it shall not be lawful for the said fishermen to dry or cure fish at such settlement without a previous agreement for that purpose with the inhabitants, proprietors, or possessors of the ground.

Article 4:

It is agreed that creditors on either side shall meet with no lawful impediment to the recovery of the full value in sterling money of all bona fide debts heretofore contracted.

: This means legal contracted (con·tract Pronunciation: \vt 2a & vi 1 usually ˈkän-ˌtrakt, others usually kən-ˈ\[ Function: verb Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French or Latin; Middle French contracter to agree upon, from Latin contractus Date: 14th century] transitive verb 1 a : to bring on oneself especially inadvertently : incur <contracting debts> b : to become affected with <contract pneumonia>
2 a : to establish or undertake by contract <contract a job>) debts, meaning the debts between two people or people and banks. NOT WAR DEBT, the US did not have to repay the King Of England anything. The ONLY example of something like this is Haiti being forced to repay war debts to France after Haiti won its war of independence, and it took them until the 1930's to do it.
Article 5:

It is agreed that Congress shall earnestly recommend it to the legislatures of the respective states to provide for the restitution of all estates, rights, and properties, which have been confiscated belonging to real British subjects; and also of the estates, rights, and properties of persons resident in districts in the possession on his Majesty's arms and who have not borne arms against the said United States. And that persons of any other decription shall have free liberty to go to any part or parts of any of the thirteen United States and therein to remain twelve months unmolested in their endeavors to obtain the restitution of such of their estates, rights, and properties as may have been confiscated; and that Congress shall also earnestly recommend to the several states a reconsideration and revision of all acts or laws regarding the premises, so as to render the said laws or acts perfectly consistent not only with justice and equity but with that spirit of conciliation which on the return of the blessings of peace should universally prevail. And that Congress shall also earnestly recommend to the several states that the estates, rights, and properties, of such last mentioned persons shall be restored to them, they refunding to any persons who may be now in possession the bona fide price (where any has been given) which such persons may have paid on purchasing any of the said lands, rights, or properties since the confiscation.
And it is agreed that all persons who have any interest in confiscated lands, either by debts, marriage settlements, or otherwise, shall meet with no lawful impediment in the prosecution of their just rights.

Article 6:

That there shall be no future confiscations made nor any prosecutions commenced against any person or persons for, or by reason of, the part which he or they may have taken in the present war, and that no person shall on that account suffer any future loss or damage, either in his person, liberty, or property; and that those who may be in confinement on such charges at the time of the ratification of the treaty in America shall be immediately set at liberty, and the prosecutions so commenced be discontinued.

Article 7:

There shall be a firm and perpetual peace between his Brittanic Majesty and the said states, and between the subjects of the one and the citizens of the other, wherefore all hostilities both by sea and land shall from henceforth cease. All prisoners on both sides shall be set at liberty, and his Brittanic Majesty shall with all convenient speed, and without causing any destruction, or carrying away any Negroes or other property of the American inhabitants, withdraw all his armies, garrisons, and fleets from the said United States, and from every post, place, and harbor within the same; leaving in all fortifications, the American artilery that may be therein; and shall also order and cause all archives, records, deeds, and papers belonging to any of the said states, or their citizens, which in the course of the war may have fallen into the hands of his officers, to be forthwith restored and delivered to the proper states and persons to whom they belong.

Article 8:

The navigation of the river Mississippi, from its source to the ocean, shall forever remain free and open to the subjects of Great Britain and the citizens of the United States.

Article 9:

In case it should so happen that any place or territory belonging to Great Britain or to the United States should have been conquered by the arms of either from the other before the arrival of the said Provisional Articles in America, it is agreed that the same shall be restored without difficulty and without requiring any compensation.

Article 10:

The solemn ratifications of the present treaty expedited in good and due form shall be exchanged between the contracting parties in the space of six months or sooner, if possible, to be computed from the day of the signatures of the present treaty. In witness whereof we the undersigned, their ministers plenipotentiary, have in their name and in virtue of our full powers, signed with our hands the present definitive treaty and caused the seals of our arms to be affixed thereto.

Done at Paris, this third day of September in the year of our Lord, one thousand seven hundred and eighty-three.

D. HARTLEY (SEAL)
JOHN ADAMS (SEAL)
B. FRANKLIN (SEAL)
JOHN JAY (SEAL)

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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

ROFLMAO!!!

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

what the hell do you think winning the war is kiddo?   Its when one country takes over another.  YOu know its really not that complicated, germany loses war and loses sovereignty, japan loses war and loses sovereignty.  

This is like high school basics.   Did you ever have a civic class in high school?