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kykitten41 -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/2/2010 5:25:30 PM)
oopsie cash fucking typos and he had a laugh out of it for sure ..specially when i used fla fuctards cellphone cell phone to call the fucktard from s.c

wisdomtogive -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/2/2010 5:40:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lorenzo19 My theory is that sexuality and BDSM D/s can be a spiritual path (not the only path). That is a radical idea by and large. And could be an interesting topic. Yes, it can be and is for some a spiritual path, which might also be used with other paths too. Sex is spiritual too in many forms. Being a practioner of sex magick with late hubby it definitely did open the door to spiritual awakenings back in the day.

wisdomtogive -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/2/2010 5:56:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lorenzo19 So far it seem most do not have any personal experiences to share, but conceed it may be possible. some are bored. some skeptical. I'll continue to monitor this thread in case some one has something new to say. Lorenzo, I would like to address the part on personal experiences, and of course I am only speaking about myself. Next month i will be turning 59, oye! Since my mid 20's I have been on many paths to reconnecting to my spirit/spiritual self, sacred self, higher self and we can go on with the titles. I can write or talk at length about many areas in this group, but one-my experiences. Why, you might ask? The words would only warp the experience. A spiritual experience imho cannot be shared in clarity, and so much gets lost in the transition. If you are seeking to find more of your spiritual being through your D/s relationship and your practice of BDSM, you probably will find it mind-opening. I wish your journey to be grand. If you find one person or perhaps more who will actuate the experience with you, then you will be blessed. Yet, do not be surpised if putting the experience down in words evades you. You won't be the first nor the last. Blessings, wisdomtogive

DarkSteven -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/2/2010 6:33:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bodhisatva quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven I rely on my Judaism for spiritual enlightenment. I don't consider the lifestyle to be that path. It's odd because they're two separate codes of living. But they don't conflict, so I simply follow both. Really? You find no conflict between the ethics of judiasm and the way one must act in this lifestyle? Um, no. Judaism makes me see things larger than myself, and care for others. Basically the Ten Commandments. What specific lifestyle practices do you mean, that might conflict with them?

dreamerdreaming -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/2/2010 6:48:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littlewonder everything in my life is a part of my spirituality but bdsm is not my path to spirituality...living life is. EXACTLY, thank you! [:)]

Parintachin -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/2/2010 9:18:00 PM)
I am rather entertained to see the comparisons to BDSM and Taoism. I've noticed that myself. Another system that espouses separate, different but balanced sex roles. But one of Taoisms teachings is that "spirituality" or whatever you call it, is a description and not the thing itself. Words describe concepts, not the other way around.

LadyAngelika -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/2/2010 9:26:06 PM)
quote: My ex wife could come home from shopping flushed and fulfilled. Is that too a spiritual path? Only if she was shopping for shoes. Shoe shopping IS a spiritual thing!!! ;-) - LA

CNJDom -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/2/2010 10:16:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lorenzo19 I believe everyone has thier own path to spirituality. The Kama Sutra expouses how sexuality can be that path. BDSM-D/s has upped the ante in sexuality. Maybe it is time for Kama Sutra 2nd Edition. The question is: How is or can BDSM-D/s be a path to spirituality? What can BDSM-D/s teach us about the spirit? Do you feel more spiritual because of your BDSM-D/s experiences? Do you feel less spiritual (more animalistic) because of your BDSM-D/s experiences? I will give My view points later. I dont want this thread to start out as a debate of My opinions. I once took a class at a local BDSM festival where the topic was about the spiritual side of BDSM. I could see that between ritualistic BDSM practice and pseudo-shamanism, it seemed very plausible all-in-all. The use of pain-trance-spiritualism has been in use by many cultures (Native American, African, and Asian-Indians especially) gain a spiritual insight while undergoing physical and mental stresses in the name of submitting to these acts willingly. In this particular class also touched on Dominant-trance (a lighter level of this might be delving into the Dom-space concept) as well. I believe that BDSM can have a spiritual aspect certainly, and at times I feel we touch on a different level during these moments.

Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/3/2010 12:25:32 AM)
mmmmmmmmm.... How does sub space compare to a spiritual states? How does sub drop compare to spiritual states?

allthatjaz -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/3/2010 1:00:33 AM)
The word 'spiritual' comes from the Latin word 'spiritus' which means breathing. It could mean religion but it certainly doesn't have to and nor does it have to be any organized belief system. You could be an atheist and still have a spiritual nature. It could simply mean a connection with yourself or a connection with mother earth. Its a metaphysical thing.

aldompdx -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/3/2010 1:02:55 AM)
It is one's spirit that experiences everything, including BDSM activities. Thus, everything is spiritual. The relevant question: Is ignorance really bliss? If it is, then why aren't more people happy? Ignorance of what? -- the simple fact of objective perception by one's spirit. Awareness is not enlightenment, it is undarkenment. The light is always there. And to allthatjazz: Great post about breathing!

GotSteel -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/3/2010 7:50:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crazyml Like LadyAngelika I'm an atheist, so I'm a little bit cynical about the term "spirituality", but if your definition includes the secular analog - "enlightenment" Maybe you have a definition for enlightenment that's very different than mine, I certainly wouldn't consider anything about the term enlightenment secular. However, I've read some definitions of spirituality where it could refer to secular practices like introspection and contemplation and thus be used as a secular term. Generally atheists don't like using the term spirituality as it's often code for I believe in unicorns and lick magic crystals. However, my answer to the OP's questions would depend on what definition of spirituality we are using. So Lorenzo19, what do you mean by spirituality? quote: ORIGINAL: Jeffff I like to kill hookers, it is My spiritual path. Wasn't that the plot of Sin City?

Lorenzo19 -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/4/2010 4:17:29 PM)
quote: Yet, do not be surpised if putting the experience down in words evades you. You won't be the first nor the last. So true. Language revolves best around physical concepts. When language touches on things of the spirit it is woefully lacking. But, no fear. The poets are doing a good job at it. Unfortunately I am no poet. But I did take a stab at it in two posts in this thread.

Lorenzo19 -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/4/2010 4:26:28 PM)
A lot of people have pointed out that the paths to enlightenment is possibly infinite. Agreed. But have to add... The path is a learning experience and one has to be receptive. The path of growing one's spirit is no different than growing any other skill or body part in the sense that one has to pay attention and try to learn somethinng. For example, learning to play an instrument. I do this by reflecting on My experiences good and bad. Since I have chosen this D/s BDSM life style for 25 years I have lots of experiences to reflect upon. I listed two earlier.

jujubeeMB -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/4/2010 7:23:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lorenzo19 Do you feel more spiritual because of your BDSM-D/s experiences? No. I've never been religious, but my spiritual enlightenment-like moments have happened on cliffs overlooking a wild blue sea, not bent over and pleading for release. The only thing that D/s has enlightened me to is some of the darker parts of my mind and the minds of others.

Lorenzo19 -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/5/2010 12:52:49 AM)
I have been giving the following subject a lot of thought for many many years, and recently after browsing many profiles on CM, I have come to a realization. I alluded to it in the addiction thread a couple days ago. It's directly related to the topic here and a specifc question. I call it Spiritual Suicide (for lack of a better word) or maybe BDSM Dark (less dramatic). quote: ORIGINAL: Lorenzo19 Do you feel less spiritual (more animalistic) because of your BDSM-D/s experiences? Browsing some of the profiles of submissive girls I was disturbed by some of the things some girls were seeking in D/s relationships. I know We are not supposed to criticize other peoples kinks. And that is absolutely not My intention here. I have hesitated to bring up this subject for that very reason. My purpose here is simply to analyze the spiritual ojective of the individuals practicing such kinks. Obviously the practioners are trying to achieve some objective and that objective is what is in question. NOT the judgement of right or wrong. I welcome with an open mind practioners on both sides of the kneel and both sides of the kink to help understand the objectives and what spiritual effects they think or believe will ensue. What disturbed Me were not the more bizarre fetishes like toilet training, pony training and the like. I'm pretty jaded when it comes to these things. What really disturbed Me were requests such as: Take away my personality, wants, needs, treat me like a thing without feelings, without thoughts, without memories, without friends, without love, without hopes or dreams, without any semblence of being human, or having ever been human, an object, a thing. even less than a thing. I'm not talking about being turned into a footstool for a few hours... I'm talking about 24/7. All the time. Day in and day out. One profile spelled out very clearly what I have stated here in My own words. I will not reveal or quote the profile to protect their privacy. Obviously I feel the spiritual effects are negitive. And I dont think that is being judgemental because it seems to Me that is thier precise objective. Can one of the possible objectives of BDSM-D/s be Spiritual Suicide? In other words are some people seeking the dark side of BDSM-D/s rather than the light side? and does that objective have a negitive effect on the spirit? Let Me restate that I make no judgements as to this particular kink. It is simply to explore the objectives of the practioners and it's effect on the human spirit. This question is not much different than asking "If having sex with a girl after punishing her would have a negitive impact on the girl" as has been asked in a current thread.

DarkSteven -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/5/2010 4:59:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jujubeeMB quote: ORIGINAL: Lorenzo19 Do you feel more spiritual because of your BDSM-D/s experiences? No. I've never been religious, but my spiritual enlightenment-like moments have happened on cliffs overlooking a wild blue sea, not bent over and pleading for release. The only thing that D/s has enlightened me to is some of the darker parts of my mind and the minds of others. Now that is interesting. The same thing happens to me, that I reaffirm my belief in G_d through contemplation of the things he has created, and it's always a natural phenomenon. Nor necessarily as majestic as the one jujubee mentioned - just the workings of a plant can do it for me, or how predator and prey each adapt to their situation.

CarrieO -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/5/2010 5:39:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lorenzo19 I have been giving the following subject a lot of thought for many many years, and recently after browsing many profiles on CM, I have come to a realization. I alluded to it in the addiction thread a couple days ago. It's directly related to the topic here and a specifc question. I call it Spiritual Suicide (for lack of a better word) or maybe BDSM Dark (less dramatic). quote: ORIGINAL: Lorenzo19 Do you feel less spiritual (more animalistic) because of your BDSM-D/s experiences? Browsing some of the profiles of submissive girls I was disturbed by some of the things some girls were seeking in D/s relationships. I know We are not supposed to criticize other peoples kinks. And that is absolutely not My intention here. I have hesitated to bring up this subject for that very reason. My purpose here is simply to analyze the spiritual ojective of the individuals practicing such kinks. Obviously the practioners are trying to achieve some objective and that objective is what is in question. NOT the judgement of right or wrong. I welcome with an open mind practioners on both sides of the kneel and both sides of the kink to help understand the objectives and what spiritual effects they think or believe will ensue. What disturbed Me were not the more bizarre fetishes like toilet training, pony training and the like. I'm pretty jaded when it comes to these things. What really disturbed Me were requests such as: Take away my personality, wants, needs, treat me like a thing without feelings, without thoughts, without memories, without friends, without love, without hopes or dreams, without any semblence of being human, or having ever been human, an object, a thing. even less than a thing. Are these really any different from the profiles of submissive men asking to be enslaved 24/7 in what some would see as less than ideal or realistic conditions? Here's an example of one that was on the AskA Mistress forum http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3089385 Sometimes these profiles are real, sometimes they're the fantasies of the person writing them who has no intention of making these dreams reality. For many it's escapism. I'm not talking about being turned into a footstool for a few hours... I'm talking about 24/7. All the time. Day in and day out. One profile spelled out very clearly what I have stated here in My own words. I will not reveal or quote the profile to protect their privacy. Obviously I feel the spiritual effects are negitive. And I dont think that is being judgemental because it seems to Me that is thier precise objective. First off...it is judgemental, you're passing judgement on something/someone http://www.answers.com/topic/judgment Is what you're describing a spiritual issue or a charater/personality problem? Are they using BDSM or D/s as a escape from reality moreso than a spiritual path they've chosen to follow? Is following a spiritual path, regardless of what path it is, a choice a person makes to escape the reality of their current life or is it in conjuction with the choice to see less (or annihilation) of the Self to become more a part of the Collective as a whole? Is either choice positive or negative and who decides? Can one of the possible objectives of BDSM-D/s be Spiritual Suicide? In other words are some people seeking the dark side of BDSM-D/s rather than the light side? and does that objective have a negitive effect on the spirit? All choices have an effect on the psyche or soul of a person. What is dark and negative for one is enlightenment for another...who decides which is right or wrong? I've know dominants who felt it was necessary to use strong humiliation and debasement as a way to remove self-pride from a submissive. They felt it was necessary to remove any trace of the person that was seen as negative and counter-productive to reveal the new and better (?) sub/slave. This was seen as positive for both the D-type and the s-type...not so for others around them. I've seen people who were deeply spiritual and deeply entranced with their chosen spiritual path. They seem like robots to me but, they will tell you this is the best they've ever been. They've never felt so complete as they do now that they've found their teacher/guru/path/Gd. Is it a good or bad thing that they found their path, albeit a path I may not agree with or understand? This still comes back to two questions....OP, how do you define spirituality and what is spirit in context to your question?* Let Me restate that I make no judgements as to this particular kink. It is simply to explore the objectives of the practioners and it's effect on the human spirit. This question is not much different than asking "If having sex with a girl after punishing her would have a negitive impact on the girl" as has been asked in a current thread. Damn....there should be a rule against navel contemplation before coffee [;)] *edited for spelling after partaking of much needed caffeine.

wisdomtogive -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/5/2010 6:07:36 AM)
LorenzoMy entrance into BDSM came through a 'message' from the Goddess that I follow. At that moment, BDSM and having relationships in this 'style', have been nothing less then a spiritual exploration for me. Master is an Orthodox Jew, and very spiritual person. His life has been an expression of his spirituality, be it through the way he uses a whip to the poetry he has written and published. I feel like attracts like, and for me someone needed to already been active on their spiritual path for the Us to work. Many have stated throughout this message board, that they knew they were submissive since a child. In my case my drive to serve G-d has always been in the foreground. Everything I do speaks of my spiritual awareness and sometimes lack of. I have travel many roads in exploring my spirituality as well as how it aligns to my Spirit. My work, my creativity, my relationships, my raising my child..etc steam from this driven quest to live in my Spirit. It has been and still is a rich experience for me. I have been blessed to know of the Cosmic Source and to serve IT since childhood. It is a path that has led me to many experiences, which has given me the wisdom to understand somethings in this life. The good, bad and ugly have all been experienced and each have molded me into who I am today, and will continue. My spirit thirsts to expand, yet it does quietly. It does not believe in assumptions that others are interested in what I do, who I am or the life path I walk. I walk silently now, without the need to open minds. If a mind is thirsty and I can help a little, that person will come to me. This is the way for me. The Spirit within is not to be display on a pedestal, but to be viewed daily as an action. Who I am will be displayed daily, and who I am is the good the bad and ugly. Blessed bewisdom

CarrieO -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/5/2010 6:17:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: wisdomtogive My spirit thirsts to expand, yet it does quietly. It does not believe in assumptions that others are interested in what I do, who I am or the life path I walk. I walk silently now, without the need to open minds. If a mind is thirsty and I can help a little, that person will come to me. This is the way for me. The Spirit within is not to be display on a pedestal, but to be viewed daily as an action. Who I am will be displayed daily, and who I am is the good the bad and ugly Beautifully stated.

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