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Icarys -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/5/2010 6:19:15 AM)
Snatch the pebble from my hand, then and only then may you find enlightenment and a new pebble if your fast enough.

mnottertail -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/5/2010 6:20:18 AM)
what if I am lotusing on a bed of gravel, grasshopper?

wisdomtogive -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/5/2010 6:21:02 AM)
CarrieO Thank you! wisdom

Icarys -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/5/2010 6:21:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail what if I am lotusing on a bed of gravel, grasshopper? I suppose it could wait till you get your lazy butt up![:D]

wisdomtogive -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/5/2010 6:25:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys Snatch the pebble from my hand, then and only then may you find enlightenment and a new pebble if your fast enough. I probably would be fast enough, but may I feed my stomach first? It is hungry since I orginally thought your wrote if you fast...fasting being not eating:)

Icarys -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/5/2010 6:28:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: wisdomtogive quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys Snatch the pebble from my hand, then and only then may you find enlightenment and a new pebble if your fast enough. I probably would be fast enough, but may I feed my stomach first? It is hungry since I orginally thought your wrote if you fast...fasting being not eating:) Feed your soul first so that the whole of you may be filled or feed your hole so that your belly may be full? Are you seeking enlightenment or not![:D]

mnottertail -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/5/2010 6:33:34 AM)
why an exclamation point in your peroration, rather than a question mark? enlighten me.

wisdomtogive -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/5/2010 6:34:38 AM)
Chuckles...awwwwwwwww eternal enlightment, Icarys, comes through peanut butter:)

Icarys -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/5/2010 7:18:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: wisdomtogive Chuckles...awwwwwwwww eternal enlightment, Icarys, comes through peanut butter:) Okay, that brought up a naughty thought.

Icarys -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/5/2010 7:25:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail why an exclamation point in your peroration, rather than a question mark? enlighten me. It was to place emphasis on a joke. Why do you ask![:D]

Lorenzo19 -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/5/2010 8:47:47 AM)
quote: This still comes back to two questions....OP, how do you define spirituality and what is spirit in context to your question? Since time immorial the elements have been divided into 4 groups irregadless of religion, faith or lack there of: 1) earth - physial 2) air - intellect 3) water - emotion 4) fire - spirit what is spirit? spirit is not physical, emotional, intellectual what is left over is spiritual. Is there anything left over? The anients thought so. I think so. I suppose this in itself would be a good topic of itself. It just goes to show the spiritual state of the world today. Few seem to even know what is the spirit.

takemeforyourown -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/5/2010 8:52:32 AM)
Personally, when I first discovered my submissive tendencies I wondered if what I was really seeking was God...to be the slave of God. I still think about that. Isn't that the essence of one who chooses as a vocation to serve the Almighty? But I am just a human girl, with the human need for physical love as well.

Lorenzo19 -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/5/2010 8:54:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CNJDom quote: ORIGINAL: Lorenzo19 I believe everyone has thier own path to spirituality. The Kama Sutra expouses how sexuality can be that path. BDSM-D/s has upped the ante in sexuality. Maybe it is time for Kama Sutra 2nd Edition. The question is: How is or can BDSM-D/s be a path to spirituality? What can BDSM-D/s teach us about the spirit? Do you feel more spiritual because of your BDSM-D/s experiences? Do you feel less spiritual (more animalistic) because of your BDSM-D/s experiences? I will give My view points later. I dont want this thread to start out as a debate of My opinions. I once took a class at a local BDSM festival where the topic was about the spiritual side of BDSM. I could see that between ritualistic BDSM practice and pseudo-shamanism, it seemed very plausible all-in-all. The use of pain-trance-spiritualism has been in use by many cultures (Native American, African, and Asian-Indians especially) gain a spiritual insight while undergoing physical and mental stresses in the name of submitting to these acts willingly. In this particular class also touched on Dominant-trance (a lighter level of this might be delving into the Dom-space concept) as well. I believe that BDSM can have a spiritual aspect certainly, and at times I feel we touch on a different level during these moments. Thank you. For a serious reply. Our local group is also hold a seminar on the spirituality of BDSM. I think it will be enlightening.

Lorenzo19 -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/5/2010 8:56:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: takemeforyourown Personally, when I first discovered my submissive tendencies I wondered if what I was really seeking was God...to be the slave of God. I still think about that. Isn't that the essence of one who chooses as a vocation to serve the Almighty? But I am just a human girl, with the human need for physical love as well. Thank you very much. I was thinking along similar lines, but from the opposite view of a Dominant.

Aileen1968 -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/5/2010 9:41:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lorenzo19 I believe everyone has thier own path to spirituality. The Kama Sutra expouses how sexuality can be that path. BDSM-D/s has upped the ante in sexuality. Maybe it is time for Kama Sutra 2nd Edition. The question is: How is or can BDSM-D/s be a path to spirituality? What can BDSM-D/s teach us about the spirit? Do you feel more spiritual because of your BDSM-D/s experiences? Do you feel less spiritual (more animalistic) because of your BDSM-D/s experiences? I will give My view points later. I dont want this thread to start out as a debate of My opinions. The dynamic of my relationship has nothing to do with my spirituality.

domiguy -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/5/2010 9:48:42 AM)
Only because your soul is a dried up husk.

Lorenzo19 -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/5/2010 10:44:54 AM)
mineral spirit vegetable spirit animal spirit human spirit four spirits make up physical reality spirit is the energy that animates spirit is how a tomato plant makes tomatoes spirit gives carbon it's qualities six apples in a basket, you have six apples six protons in a basket you have carbon add one more, a gas take one away, a metal how does the basket know what to be? spirit spirit is the connection between Daddy and little girl Master and slave Teacher and student spirit is what gives an atom it purpose a cell its purpose an organ its purpose a human it's purpose

CarrieO -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/5/2010 11:22:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lorenzo19 quote: This still comes back to two questions....OP, how do you define spirituality and what is spirit in context to your question? Since time immorial the elements have been divided into 4 groups irregadless of religion, faith or lack there of: 1) earth - physial 2) air - intellect 3) water - emotion 4) fire - spirit what is spirit? spirit is not physical, emotional, intellectual what is left over is spiritual. Is there anything left over? The anients thought so. I think so. I suppose this in itself would be a good topic of itself. How does this relate to your original post and/or the recent question you asked... quote: Can one of the possible objectives of BDSM-D/s be Spiritual Suicide? In other words are some people seeking the dark side of BDSM-D/s rather than the light side? and does that objective have a negitive effect on the spirit? If spirit isn't physical, emotional or intellectual, is it really spirit you're referring to? I'm trying to make sense of your definition of spirit in relation to your questions regarding BDSM and D/s. Many people, myself included, have told you how their BDSM activities and D/s choices have, or have not as the case may be, affected them...either as a path to or a tool used, or not...again as the case may be. As I tried to explain to you in my post you responded to, is there a positive/negative...good/bad...dark/light side of BDSM and D/s and who makes that judgement call? What is spiritual death to one person is enlightenment to another. One definition of spirit is incorporeal consciousness...are you suggesting people make choices in regards to BDSM and D/s activities in order to cause the death of this consciousness? To be honest, all this talk of positive and negative...good and bad makes me wonder if you see life as only black and white with no shades of gray or a middle path. It just goes to show the spiritual state of the world today. Few seem to even know what is the spirit. Indeed. You may choose to not see this as a serious reply...that is your choice. Then again...do you really know these "few" you're referring to in real life or are you making a judgement call based on your limited knowledge? At this point, I'm agreeing with wisdomtogive...eternal enlightment comes through peanut butter!

Lorenzo19 -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/5/2010 12:01:36 PM)
CarrieO You and several others have asked what I mean by spirit. I have attempted to do that. positive/negative...good/bad...dark/light are not judgements of right and wrong. They are results and relative to the objective. quote: One definition of spirit is incorporeal consciousness...are you suggesting people make choices in regards to BDSM and D/s activities in order to cause the death of this consciousness? Absolutely. And this could be seen as a negitive result. As death is usually thought of in the negitive. Life in the positive. I am NOT saying that to die is wrong or even undesired. It depends on the objective. For someone seeking spiritual suicide the objective is death. And achieving it is success. Euthanasia is death as the desired and expected result. So yes, it is black and white and shades of grey, in that some may be seeking only degrees of spiritual suicide. BDSM light and dark and everything in between. Just as the masochist may seek degrees of pain. but whatever degree of lightness or darkness it is on either side of zero. which side of zero or center being positive or negitive is an arbitrary choice. positive and negitive, up and down, right and left, conservative and liberal, Sadist and masochist, life and death, etc are conveniences not judgements.

CarrieO -> RE: BDSM: Path to Spiritual Enlightenment? (3/5/2010 1:14:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lorenzo19 CarrieO You and several others have asked what I mean by spirit. I have attempted to do that. positive/negative...good/bad...dark/light are not judgements of right and wrong. They are results and relative to the objective. quote: One definition of spirit is incorporeal consciousness...are you suggesting people make choices in regards to BDSM and D/s activities in order to cause the death of this consciousness? Absolutely. And this could be seen as a negitive result. As death is usually thought of in the negitive. Life in the positive. I am NOT saying that to die is wrong or even undesired. It depends on the objective. For someone seeking spiritual suicide the objective is death. And achieving it is success. Euthanasia is death as the desired and expected result. Taken from the book "The Nature of Shamanism: substance and function of a religious metaphor" by Michael Ripinsky-Naxon.... "The shaman's soul, once annihilated, is freed and liberated from all sorts of earthly constraints and becomes transformed into a divine spirit. Death is no longer an evil to be apprehended, but a path to blessedness and purification." (I use the practice of shamanism as an example because there are people who see the path of a shaman to be similar to the ordeal path some BDSMers choose to follow). As I said, one person's spiritual trial/death is another's enlightenment and rebirth. Who (other than the person looking for death as growth/rebirth) decides if the result is positive or negative? I'm not questioning this in regards to spirituality in general but BDSM and D/s as a spiritual path/practice in particular...to bring it back to your original question. You may find these links to be of interest... http://baphomet.tearmainn.com/intro.html http://baphomet.tearmainn.com/ritualcatharsis.html I'm still not seeing how all this relates to your second set of questions... quote: Can one of the possible objectives of BDSM-D/s be Spiritual Suicide? In other words are some people seeking the dark side of BDSM-D/s rather than the light side? and does that objective have a negitive effect on the spirit? and the example you used to clarify your question.... quote: Take away my personality, wants, needs, treat me like a thing without feelings, without thoughts, without memories, without friends, without love, without hopes or dreams, without any semblence of being human, or having ever been human, an object, a thing. even less than a thing. As I mentioned, is this example something that represents a sought after death of the spirit, a request for escape from reality or a fantasy this person has about being completely remade into a "better" more perfect person in the eyes of an owner? The logical dilemma with this type of question, in my opinion, is that it will be relative to the person/s involved and therefore difficult to give a single answer. Spirals and spirals leading deeper and deeper to nowhere and everything...much like a belly button. [;)] *edited to add...Lorenzo19, thanks for the cranial stretch, I'm off to make a peanut butter sandwich and take a hike. There's a whole wide world out there to contemplate and so little time to take it all in.

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