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I see you still have not mastered the art of reading.  Twice I point out that some not all taxes are passed on and you want to make that ALL.  Please learn to read. 

Now you are just being a snide, nit-picking dickhead on purpose. 

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I think this is a good way to do things. I know some years ago here in Georgia they had some schools mad because kids stayed in a schools jurisdiction but the parents would lie so their children could go to a better school. The school wanted to have the parents fined or jailed. But I don't think it ever happened. If your school sucks, then it sucks. Why should you have job securement. Your school gets paid whether your kids are learning or not. If you took the money the school gets paid per child and give the home schooled kids that amount for books, equipment and other stuff it would stretch farther than our bureaucratic school systems can.

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That you have possessions or not is a piece of bullshit you introduced into the equation.
My premis is that if you rent an appartment and dont live in it you still owe the rent.

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The federal govt. instituted public schools.

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Maybe that is the shit they teach in your home school but in the real world that is not the case.

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Calling people a nit-picking dickhead is always a sutable replacement for reasoned discussion.

 
If you don't want to be insulted, don't insult people. 

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The federal govt. instituted public schools.

 
No, no it did not.

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Are these the same businesses that brought us the 13 oz. can of coffee.
The 56 ounce half gallon of ice cream.

 
Beats me.  Every business is run by different people, faces different markets (demographics), has different philosophies, goals etc, etc.
That's the point.  you don't know how they will react. 
You have yet to show any proof or any indication that business will lower prices if taxes are reduced. 
I point out an obvious fact that business routinely engages in practices that diminish the consumers choices to the consumers detriment. Are you happy with that?

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Maybe that is the shit they teach in your home school but in the real world that is not the case.

And exactly what is the case in the "real" world?

In the real world the primary goal of the corporation is to maximise profits...not to make a superior product at a competitive price.

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That you have possessions or not is a piece of bullshit you introduced into the equation.
My premis is that if you rent an appartment and dont live in it you still owe the rent.

Paying rent on an apartment is voluntary.  Paying taxes is not.  Your analogy simply doesn't work.  Deal with it.

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Since before there were public schools there were only private schools that educated a single digit percentage of our population.
The federal govt. instituted public schools.
You claim that the public schools are doing a "pretty shoddy"   job.
I asked "as compared to what"...your answer was compared to home schools and private schools, yet you offer no evidence to substantiate this position.  You also ignore that public schools were created not to replace private schools and home schooling but to fill a void.  Thus the only comparison that makes sense is to compare public school to no public school.

I could list all sorts of studies from a variety of sources that document the fact that public schools by and large (I'm sure there are some exceptions) simply do not produce students that are as well educated as students who attend private schools

You have an uncanny grasp of the obvious



or are home schooled.

ROFLMAO....true in a miniscule number of cases

I am not going to waste my time however because I already know what will happen next (you are very predictable) - you will blanket dismiss every source I site. 


No I just agreed with you...can you even imagine why?
Maybe because private schools are not required to accept everyone.
Maybe because private schools do not have a 40+  student /teacher ratio.
Maybe because private schools have a high proportion of motivated students.
Maybe because private schools have a high proportion of motivated teachers.
Maybe because private schools have more resources ( money).
Maybe because private schools are a business and public schools are a service.


To say that the only comparison make sense is to compare public schools to no school is daft.
Well of course otherwise you would have no bassis for an arguement.

If you want to judge public schools you need to compare them to the alternative educational opportunities. 

Why? Because you have no arguement if I don't?

To compare them to nothing is no comparison at all.  It's a cheat.  It's an attempted doge away from the unpleasant but true fact that the public school system is by and large a failure.  

Single digit percentage of literacy in our country before public schools and somewhat more than that now.
Just for grins why not look up how many public school students there are in the U.S. and compare that with the number of private school students there are in the U.S.
Now close all public schools tomorrow.  How long do you figure it would take for all the students to be back in private school or home school?

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The federal govt. instituted public schools.

 
No, no it did not.

Which verb would you prefer?
Or
Is it your position that the federal government is not involved in public education?

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We are members of HSLDA. They do great things for homeschooling families and we are thankful they are there for us. We are homeschooling our son, we do it for purely academic reasons. The public schools do not offer the rigorous curriculum that we want for our child. We pay property taxes, we don't use the public schools, but we don't begrudge paying the taxes. It makes for a better overall society to at least have the majority with a basic bare bones education. Which is what public schools provide.

I went to private school and my academic advantage over my public school peers was always obvious to me. 
I do not have a problem paying that portion of my property taxes that go to support public education, even though I have no children and have not used that system myself.

I'm OK with the asylum in order to homeschool because I am a homeschooler. We all do it for different reasons. I feel for them, I can't imagine my son being stuck in a public school or even a private school if it didn't fit our needs.

I am not OK with the asylum because all they need to do is apply for a visa and move. 
Asylum is a specific concept and they do not fall within the clear guidlines

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The federal govt. instituted public schools.

 
No, no it did not.

Which verb would you prefer?
Or
Is it your position that the federal government is not involved in public education?

Public schools are a "right" guaranteed by State Constitutions not the federal governement.  There was not even a Secretary of Education until 1979.

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The federal govt. instituted public schools.

 
No, no it did not.

Which verb would you prefer?
Or
Is it your position that the federal government is not involved in public education?

Public schools are a "right" guaranteed by State Constitutions not the federal governement.  There was not even a Secretary of Education until 1979.

Are you going to answer the question or continue to state the obvious?

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ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

We are members of HSLDA. They do great things for homeschooling families and we are thankful they are there for us. We are homeschooling our son, we do it for purely academic reasons. The public schools do not offer the rigorous curriculum that we want for our child. We pay property taxes, we don't use the public schools, but we don't begrudge paying the taxes. It makes for a better overall society to at least have the majority with a basic bare bones education. Which is what public schools provide.

I'm OK with the asylum in order to homeschool because I am a homeschooler. We all do it for different reasons. I feel for them, I can't imagine my son being stuck in a public school or even a private school if it didn't fit our needs.

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You want me to draw a line that says this much science and that much history and so and so amount of math? That would go against the point I am arguing – that neither I nor you nor anyone else, is qualified to make these decisions for strangers. I have already said where I would draw the lines and see no reason to repeat that.

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I never said that Evolution forms the bulk of any education. Evolution versus Creationism is just one example of the myriad of religious, philosophical and secular views out there. I think the same rights should apply to all.

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I won't even bother with the remainder of your post. You have reached a point where you just want to continue to try to get your point across no matter how many times people disagree with you.

Yeah. You never see that in human discourse.

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I understand you believe you are the voice of reason in a world lacking reason.

I’m just a voice.

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What you don't seem to realize is that the more you talk, the less everyone is listening. The more you go on, the less sense you make and you are only repeating the same things over and over and those are the very things people disagree with. In other words, perhaps it is time to learn how to cut your losses and move on.

What loses? I do not see how people disagreeing with me is some sort of loss (cripes! there are over six billion people in the world, surely some of them are going to disagree with me). I was not aware that I was required to conform myself to the opinions of others.

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Question?  My response was that the federal government did NOT institute public schools. 

And I asked you what verb you wanted to use instead of institute?
and.
Is it your position that the federal government is not involved in public education?




Since the federal government has becomed more involved with public education, the quality has decreased.

When did the federal government first become involved with the public education system?
Do you have any validation to confirm that the quality has decreased?