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Please show me where I have ever called you a nit-picking dickhead.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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Question?  My response was that the federal government did NOT institute public schools. 

And I asked you what verb you wanted to use instead of institute?
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Is it your position that the federal government is not involved in public education?




Since the federal government has becomed more involved with public education, the quality has decreased.

When did the federal government first become involved with the public education system?
Do you have any validation to confirm that the quality has decreased?

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You have yet to show any proof or any indication that business will lower prices if taxes are reduced.
I point out an obvious fact that business routinely engages in practices that diminish the consumers choices to the consumers detriment. Are you happy with that?

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In the real world the primary goal of the corporation is to maximise profits...not to make a superior product at a competitive price.

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Paying rent is not voluntary. If you contract to rent an apartment you are obligated to pay whether you live in it or not

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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Please show me where I have ever called you a nit-picking dickhead.

Think again.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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Question?  My response was that the federal government did NOT institute public schools. 

And I asked you what verb you wanted to use instead of institute?
and.
Is it your position that the federal government is not involved in public education?




Since the federal government has becomed more involved with public education, the quality has decreased.

When did the federal government first become involved with the public education system?
Do you have any validation to confirm that the quality has decreased?

First become involved?  In the 19th century. 

So that would be sometime in a 100 year time span...would it be possible for you to be a little more specific?


They up'ed their involvement in the 50's and 60's, and then with the DOE became overwhelmingly involved. 


Decrease in quality?  Pull up a chart that shows student ranking amoung countries.
Maybe you could pull up a chart that compared it with itself which would be a more useful parameter since other countries educational systems would have different origins and goals.

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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You have yet to show any proof or any indication that business will lower prices if taxes are reduced.
I point out an obvious fact that business routinely engages in practices that diminish the consumers choices to the consumers detriment. Are you happy with that?

Once again you are missing the point. Some will (for a variety of reasons), some won't (for a variety of reasons) and so what? As long as they are not breaking any laws, I don't care what businesses do. I don't seek to micromanage society (ie, people's lives). I don't think the government should either.

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In the real world the primary goal of the corporation is to maximise profits...not to make a superior product at a competitive price.

I said businesses, not corporrations (there are many kinds of businesses). Even so, a corporation that makes a shoddy product at a price consumers are not willing to pay is never going to maximize profits.

Not everyone who wears a business suit is evil. To believe so is nothing more than bigotry.

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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Paying rent is not voluntary. If you contract to rent an apartment you are obligated to pay whether you live in it or not

No one held a gun to my head when I signed the lease.

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

Okay, so you admit that private schools are better (in most cases) than public schools

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You do realize that home schooled children do need to be able to pass standardized testing, right? So that means that people ARE qualified to make these decisions about the educational needs of children. I have no doubt in my mind at this point that you aren't qualified to make that decision for anyone. However, groups of educators who have years of experience have gotten together and determined what children need to learn to be successful in society, and you know what? I don't care if John and Mary Doe don't think their kids don't need to learn that stuff, because THE LAW of the society we live in has decided that John and Mary Doe's kids must learn those things. The Law also permits John and Mary Doe to teach those things to their children in a home schooling environment if they choose to and they are qualified to do so. If they aren't, they guess what? John and Mary Doe's kids must accept the only other alternative available to them to learn what is mandated by attending public school.

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This is the society that we have. It works in the best interests of the children. You don't have to like it, but you do have to accept it or get the hell out of that particular society.

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Actually, you stated that No. I have not said that parents don’t have a right to not educate their children. I have said that parents have the right to be the primary deciders of what the bulk of that education should be.

The "bulk" of education in dispute is Evolution versus Creationism. The "bulk" of what children are required to learn is NOT Evolution versus Creationism.

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Sure I have. You have attempted to make your point. At some point, you need to recognize that no one is listening to you and basically stop posting the same thing over and over. It serves no purpose.

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Actually it has become more like nails on a chalkboard.

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Well since you obviously don't understand, I will explain (again). You made your point, repeatedly. Not one person has agreed with you.

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Repeating the same things over and over (and over and over) is really doing nothing to further support your opinion,

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and actually are doing nothing but wasting your time (which I am giving you the benefit of the doubt that your time is valuable).

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So "cutting your losses" would be to stop wasting your time trying to prove your point when no one is listening.

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You have successfully completely derailed this thread to present your opinion with a complete disregard to the OP. So not only have you managed to become like a broken record repeating the sound of nails on a chalk board, you have also shown that you have little respect for others by derailing the thread.

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Is this your cute little way of apologizing?

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b
I could list all sorts of studies from a variety of sources that document the fact that public schools by and large (I'm sure there are some exceptions) simply do not produce students that are as well educated as students who attend private schools or are home schooled. 

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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Is this your cute little way of apologizing?

No. It's my cute little way of asking you to think about what a dyslexic person might take offense at.

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You posit that if taxes on business are raised then those taxes will be passed on to consumers.
I asked you if the corolary to that premis would be that if taxes on business were lowered then they would lower the price to the consumer.

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You then do the sweetest "texas two step" that I have ever seen and tell me that I do not "understand"
This is a discussion not a dance so it would appear that you are incapable of defending your position.

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So you agree that I am right. You need to pay your rent whether you use the apt. or not.

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It doesn't work that way for charter schools, at least in Ohio. On average they were no better than the public schools, and a bunch were worse.

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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It doesn't work that way for charter schools, at least in Ohio. On average they were no better than the public schools, and a bunch were worse.

Well, that's Ohio's problem and I'll leave it up to the good people of Ohio to fix it.

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Not so.
I only disagree with you when you are wrong.