PeonForHer
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A lot of women here have similar reactions - open to it as a reward, occasionally, but not interested in men who view being female as somehow simultaneously something to be ashamed of, something lesser, and something goddess-like and to be put on a pedestal. It's kind of like those guys who use "cocksucker" as an insult, then complain that their girlfriend won't give them a blowjob.
Heh. It does look very contradictory when it's put that way, doesn't it? But I think that this goes to something even more fundamental about the way men see women. What's seen as a desirable quality in the one sex is seen as the lack of a quality in the other - and much of that remains true even when we're talking about malesubs and femdoms rather than vanillas. Few malesubs, I'd expect, would ask for a domme who's physically stronger than he is, for instance. But it goes further. I'd be surprised if many malesubs mind that a woman can't walk far in those wonderful, sexy strappy high heels (my favourite women's footwear  ) or that her long nails might hamper her ability to roll a fist properly.
Hmmm. I don't know. I understand and appreciate all the objections women have used on this forum to those men who've wanted 'forced feminisation' (etc, etc) - but I still have this lingering suspicion that many, perhaps most, women just find it somewhat disturbing to see men 'feminised'. If I'm right - then, I freely admit I have no real clue as to why.
Having followed the history of feminism for some time, though - and even taught it, at times - I have sometimes wondered if it's to do with the way women (need to) see men. Something that's very, very basic indeed. That is: that in some essential way they want to see men as 'fixed entities', solid and reliable, like rocks (however rough around the edges'. Men might have their faults, but at least women can be clear of what they are. My mother put it like this, once: 'I like my cats to be cattish, my dogs to be doggy, and boys to be boyish'. (Why do women so often compare boys and men to dogs?) 'Boys will be boys', the saying goes. I've often thought the subtext of that old line is 'boys should always be boys'.
The history of feminism has been spectacularly successful at changing women's minds, IMO, but has shown itself to be a great deal less successful at changing men. In fact, it's very often been extremely scathing about men's efforts to change - and never more so than when men have avowedly tried to 'feminise' themselves. TBH, I don't think the will has entirely been there to do that.
Just some very half-formed thoughts. Beware: if you shoot me down in flames, I shall instantly put on a dress and burst into tears. Fair warning.
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and that, of course, we think that men have to be humiliated simply because they are men. There is that contradiction of wanting to be made into a female that is weak and the process is humiliating ... but they want to be made into that weak, humiliated female by a strong, confident female. It makes no sense. If they really feel that being made into a female is humiliating and makes them weak, then they should be looking for a man to do so, in my opinion. Go bug the Master's forum and see how well this bullshit goes over.
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