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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 12:01:41 PM   
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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 12:04:52 PM   
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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 12:17:43 PM   
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Maybe if you'd explain why you have that view of them, we could agree or disagree.




I don't have to go over this again, do I Panda?  My opinion, as stated God knows how many times, is that it is right and proper for a nation such as ours to have a safety net, but that it should not be allowed to become a comfy hammock.

It is clear for anyone to see except those with "The blinders of right wing rhetoric" obscuring their vision, that it is the ADMs and Bill Gates which are using the hammock. 

It is perspective.  People on the thread speak of ACORN taking on "slumlords," and expect their phrasing to set the definition.  Dragging out the eviction of a tenant who has trashed the property and fails to pay the rent on time gets described a bit differently by me.


And you know this because you were there and saw this yourself or is this some more of your unsubstantiated opinion?

  Free education sounds so wonderful, who could be opposed?

Well besides you not many
  How about the student who is going to complete a degree program with $200,000 in debt, and finish with the same degree as someone who sits next to them and got a ride on the taxpayer back?

More moronic bullshit. http://registrar.berkeley.edu/Registration/feesched.html
I see you are in favor of only the rich being able to go to school.
 

Have you ever actually been poor,
Yes...$200 per month for a family of 5,Social Security from 1954 till 1961



Panda?  Busted your ass, working overtime every day because you don't eat without getting 10 hours of crap-and-a-half onto the paycheck?

No I went to school to learn how to keep from having to do that.

  Gone looking for a roof with the means you have, and discovered that welfare programs pay more to house the unemployable than you can afford?  Do you understand how the system actually discourages youth from breaking the cycle?

Perhaps for those who constantly feel that the glass is half empty.

  Ever worked your way up into living in a decent little neighborhood, only to see it become a ghetto because of an influx of subsidized housing?

Perhaps you should have made better choices


  Or are those things blocked by the blinders of liberal guilt?

Your mileage probably varies considerably.  California has something like 10-11% percent of the US population, but damn near a third of the welfare caseload.  It looks different from where I sit.

Perhaps if you were to actually research your subject you might feel differently.
It would be nice if you were to be able to actually substantiate your figures.





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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 12:19:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		People are so easy to manipulate...it worries me that with the spread of computers and the internet that propagandists like these assholes will be able to falsely influence world opinion so easily.

I started noticing this mass media manipulation during the lead up to Clinton’s dispatching of Marines to Somalia… with all the pictures of children with flies in their eyes… then the swift boat and gay marriage fiasco.

I think American style sensationalism in mass media is dangerous. Just look at the lead up to the Iraq war…half-truths and unsubstantiated claims.

The average citizen in search of entertainment rather then in depth news reporting ignores good news services like NPR and BBC.

I look around me here on CM and I see the same manipulation of seemingly intelligent people that think a link to a radical website represents the truth…what idiots.

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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 12:19:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		You're kidding! For them to eat cake, they're have to be a federal cake programme to hand the cake out: nobody on the right would ever vote for that as it's big government, and nobody on the left would dare to vote for it in case somebody called them a socialist. That'd never happen. You're more likely to see Glenn "I'm not Jeff" Beck setting up a slush fund to pay for unfairly dismissed gay people's legal costs out of his own pocket...

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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 12:20:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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Maybe if you'd explain why you have that view of them, we could agree or disagree.




I don't have to go over this again, do I Panda?


It was a vague statement, and I was wondering how it applied specifically to ACORN.




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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
My opinion, as stated God knows how many times, is that it is right and proper for a nation such as ours to have a safety net, but that it should not be allowed to become a comfy hammock. 

It is perspective.  People on the thread speak of ACORN taking on "slumlords," and expect their phrasing to set the definition.  Dragging out the eviction of a tenant who has trashed the property and fails to pay the rent on time gets described a bit differently by me.


So are you saying there's no such thing as a slumlord? Are you saying that because many rental property owners are decent, hardworking people who are treated badly by tenants and are justified in throwing them out, there are no property owners who take unfair advantage of their tenants? Are you saying that because some tenants are bad tenants, they all are?

Maybe when some of us are talking about "slumlords," we're talking about different people than the honest landlords you're talking about. Maybe if you think that "slumlord" is just a code for "every landlord," that says more about your perception than it does about what the people you're arguing against are actually saying.

This is why I asked you for specific examples of what you were talking about. This black and white, all or nothing broadbrushing to which you often resort makes it difficult to keep track of exactly what your point is on any given issue, because it's difficult to find the logic in it.

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Free education sounds so wonderful, who could be opposed?  How about the student who is going to complete a degree program with $200,000 in debt, and finish with the same degree as someone who sits next to them and got a ride on the taxpayer back? 


Life's often unfair. Cry me a river.



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Have you ever actually been poor, Panda?  Busted your ass, working overtime every day because you don't eat without getting 10 hours of crap-and-a-half onto the paycheck?  Gone looking for a roof with the means you have, and discovered that welfare programs pay more to house the unemployable than you can afford?  Do you understand how the system actually discourages youth from breaking the cycle?  Ever worked your way up into living in a decent little neighborhood, only to see it become a ghetto because of an influx of subsidized housing?  Or are those things blocked by the blinders of liberal guilt?



If you consider being homeless and living in a 1983 Chrysler Newport, with everything I own in the world stored in the trunk of the car, to be poor, then I guess the answer would be "yes."

Declaring bankruptcy and losing everything I own because I was sick for so many years and lost my insurance, and not really caring that much because I was so sick I didn't expect to live much longer anyway? Is that what you're talking about? Sure, I've been there.

Working shit jobs for a few bucks an hour and looking forward all month to the last Saturday of the month because that's the one day that - if all my bills are caught up - I can afford to treat myself to a 15-dollar deep dish pizza - yeah, I've been poor. Yeah, I've been there, and I got lucky and got my health back. A lot of it, anyway. I still don't know how, but I did, and as I got my health back i worked like a fucking dog to rebuild my life and put myself into a position where, even if I don't live long enough to die of old age, I'll still have a satisfying and relatively healthy life. Yes. I've been poor.

So what? What's your point? Yeah, Rich, I get it - fuck poor people. You got yours, fuck them. I get it, I hear you, I've been hearing it from you for years. Yeah, Rich, I've been there, and since you seem to think it's useful to measure dicks, I've probably been a hell of a lot worse off than you've ever been. And I don't begrudge the poor one fucking thing. Are a lot of them lazy? Yeah. Are some of the organizations that help them corrupt? Yeah. I don't give a fuck. Because a starving, homeless child is still a starving homeless child.

You want to hate them because you're scared they want something of yours, go ahead and hate away. Live the hate, Rich. Feel the hate. Be the hate. Be the fear. Live your life that way. Whatever makes you feel good about yourself, i guess. I'd still rather live with my choice than yours.


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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 1:52:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		And you and I have covered this a few times as well, Julia.  Do you recall bragging about how you managed to work the system to keep your benefits coming in while pursuing a 4 year degree?  You said you were "persistent," if I recall correctly.

I'd expect nothing less than what you offer from the welfare wastoids and those afflicted with an entitlement mentality themselves. 

Yeah, Julia, it is class warfare.  Those with the class to accept personal responsibility for their lives and choices, and those who want to cry about being victims, who have none.

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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 2:05:23 PM   
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I'd expect nothing less than what you offer from the welfare wastoids and those afflicted with an entitlement mentality themselves.

You do not seem to have any trouble collecting on your entitlements.
Yet you don't want anyone else besides you collecting...got it!

Yeah, Julia, it is class warfare. Those with the class to accept personal responsibility for their lives and choices, and those who want to cry about being victims, who have none.

That is all you do on this board is whine and cry about what a victim you are of all those "alleged" poor people gaming the system and picking your pocket.
You do not accept your personal responsibilities yet you decry some made up enemy to point to as one who does not accept personal responsibility.
You belong to a club called the United States of America...pay your fucking membership dues and stop whining.

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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 2:27:05 PM   
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And you and I have covered this a few times as well, Julia.  Do you recall bragging about how you managed to work the system to keep your benefits coming in while pursuing a 4 year degree?  You said you were "persistent," if I recall correctly.

I'd expect nothing less than what you offer from the welfare wastoids and those afflicted with an entitlement mentality themselves. 

Yeah, Julia, it is class warfare.  Those with the class to accept personal responsibility for their lives and choices, and those who want to cry about being victims, who have none.


I worked hard my first two years of college. I got loans, grants, and scholarships.

I am in grad school now, and I suppose I "gamed" the system because my grades, etc, qualified me for free tuition.. in other words they wanted me because I could do the work that makes them look good.

If that is gaming the system, I hope everyone learns how...I'm not the one that wants to keep people down and ignorant , you are.

I only had to go on government assistance when I was working a low wage job that laid me off every winter and did not pay enough for me to provide insurance for my little one... I did what you advocated through most of the years I raised my son, it got me nadda fucking thing... Now I am sitting pretty...Why? It is called going to college, and I thought that was the American Dream....

you are jealous of people who took advantage of opportunities... . I have worked my ass off in my life, and the more educated I get and the better the money gets, the less hard I have to work. Funny thing, there is a direct correlation between level of education, money made and how hard people work... the more you make, the less you work... life is just unfair like that, but I would like to make it more fair because I well remember working with a wrecked back, when I had the chicken pox (exposing lord knows who to them) because I couldn't afford a day off work. I remember going two months without seeing my seven year old when I worked two jobs to keep us afloat...

You are just an instigating prick.. .trying to get a rise outta people, well Rich, the joke is on you because my life is pretty fucking swell. I am YOUR karma, asshole.

You are a galling hypocrite that just doesn't wanna see other poor people do better than you because you have less ambition to go out and make shit happen for yourself... fuck you.


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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 3:08:18 PM   
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Life's often unfair. Cry me a river.



LOL, Panda.  Funny how you would choose to make this an argument, given the rest of the post. 

Yeah.  A box in the middle of the road, here.  I'm glad you made it.  Yet somehow you chose a path other than the one ACORN or a similar agency would have guided you to.  Why didn't you just get the Social Security disability checks started, put your name on the Section 8 waiting list, get some family member signed up to be your in-home care provider (and into the union, of course), and make sure Medicare bought you that powerchair?

Welfare has become a multi-generational culture.  ACORN, and many of their former affiliates maintain and promote that culture.  I'm not okay with that.  They also suck up grant money that could be going to agencies focused on moving people closer to self-sufficiency, instead of away from it. 



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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 3:16:21 PM   
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you are jealous

You are just an instigating prick..

You are a galling hypocrite

Once you label me, you negate me ~ Soren Kierkegaard 
 



For someone with the sig-line you wear, Julia, you sure do label others a lot. 



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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 3:28:31 PM   
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I'm sure you can construct a stronger position.

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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 3:30:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		What's the big deal? I thought that "Acorn" was a bunch of assholes anyway.
Isn't this kind of like wanting al qeada to sue somebody?

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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 3:31:49 PM   
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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 3:39:13 PM   
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I'm sure you can construct a stronger position.



Why bother?

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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 3:43:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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you are jealous

You are just an instigating prick..

You are a galling hypocrite

Once you label me, you negate me ~ Soren Kierkegaard 
 



For someone with the sig-line you wear, Julia, you sure do label others a lot. 




Ummmm Rich? You been negated! How does it feel?


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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 3:51:20 PM   
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Welfare has become a multi-generational culture.

Absofuckinglootly true...Archer Daniel Midland,Cargil,Monsanto ,Bill Gates and the rest of the welfare parasites are taking your money but you are focused on the homeless person who is breaking the law by sleeping under a bridge.
A clear case of how you let your prejudices contrict your vision


ACORN, and many of their former affiliates maintain and promote that culture.

This is nothing but opinion. Have you ever thought of actually substantiating your position with facts?


I'm not okay with that.

Obviously you want to give your tax money to the rich who do not need it.

They also suck up grant money that could be going to agencies focused on moving people closer to self-sufficiency, instead of away from it.

Again long on rhetoric and totally absent of fact.

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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 3:53:20 PM   
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What's the big deal? I thought that "Acorn" was a bunch of assholes anyway.

Perhaps the problem is that you do not think.


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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 4:06:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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I'm sure you can construct a stronger position.



Why bother?


Because it makes you look as foolish as always when you spout your rants without any documentation and then pretend you are so all-knowing that you don't need to provide support for your views.

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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 4:29:35 PM   
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Because it makes you look as foolish as always when you spout your rants without any documentation and then pretend you are so all-knowing that you don't need to provide support for your views.




Bullshit, RML.  I've posted on "welfare" and possible welfare reforms many times.  I don't see any point in doing it again for the benefit of people who started their objections by ignoring the words I began with.  It is right and proper that a nation such as ours should have a safety net.  I do not believe it is right and proper for people to be encouraged to settle in, and raise generations in it. 

Besides, I have a far more interesting offer for the evening. 



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