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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 4:51:37 PM   
slvemike4u


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LOL, Panda.  Funny how you would choose to make this an argument, given the rest of the post. 

Yeah.  A box in the middle of the road, here.  I'm glad you made it.  Yet somehow you chose a path other than the one ACORN or a similar agency would have guided you to.  Why didn't you just get the Social Security disability checks started, put your name on the Section 8 waiting list, get some family member signed up to be your in-home care provider (and into the union, of course), and make sure Medicare bought you that powerchair?

Welfare has become a multi-generational culture.  ACORN, and many of their former affiliates maintain and promote that culture.  I'm not okay with that.  They also suck up grant money that could be going to agencies focused on moving people closer to self-sufficiency, instead of away from it. 


I'm sitting here wondering what the fuck is wrong with getting a Social Security disability check?
Qualifying for one is not an easy thing to do....and sometimes requires competant legal help to navigate the course.
I know it did in my case !
edited because I can't spell....but that just might be adversely affected by my chronic need for pain meds....another side benifit of the work-site injury that led to my gaming  the system for SSI !!!!!!

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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 4:58:40 PM   
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Bullshit, RML. I've posted on "welfare" and possible welfare reforms many times.

Always with the same unsupported rhetoric

I don't see any point in doing it again for the benefit of people who started their objections by ignoring the words I began with.

If you had made a cogent point the first time then people would not keep comming back for real answers


It is right and proper that a nation such as ours should have a safety net.

For the rich but not the not rich

I do not believe it is right and proper for people to be encouraged to settle in, and raise generations in it.

Yet you never complain about the corporations that are on welfare...why is that?

Besides, I have a far more interesting offer for the evening.

Sure you do


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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 5:06:37 PM   
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Welfare has become a multi-generational culture.  ACORN, and many of their former affiliates maintain and promote that culture.  I'm not okay with that.  They also suck up grant money that could be going to agencies focused on moving people closer to self-sufficiency, instead of away from it. 

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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 6:17:13 PM   
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Didn't that go out the welfare reform back in the '90s?  How do you get multi-generational welfare with a 5 year limit?

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Welfare has become a multi-generational culture.  ACORN, and many of their former affiliates maintain and promote that culture.  I'm not okay with that.  They also suck up grant money that could be going to agencies focused on moving people closer to self-sufficiency, instead of away from it. 



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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 7:34:46 PM   
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you are jealous

You are just an instigating prick..

You are a galling hypocrite

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For someone with the sig-line you wear, Julia, you sure do label others a lot. 




You are the one that labels yourself

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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 7:36:00 PM   
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you are jealous

You are just an instigating prick..

You are a galling hypocrite

Once you label me, you negate me ~ Soren Kierkegaard 
 



For someone with the sig-line you wear, Julia, you sure do label others a lot. 




Ummmm Rich? You been negated! How does it feel?



He is trying to negate me by making my life look like one giant trip to the welfare department,..... one good turn deserves another


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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 7:41:03 PM   
juliaoceania


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This thread is about a lying little sack of right wing shit that lied about and slandered people because he did not like their organization. Anyone that would seek to justify this twerp's criminal and civilly liable behavior because they do not like this group needs to go dig deep and find something called an "ethical compass" because not all is fair in politics.. you can't frame people and slander them because you do not like them. You are not allowed to tap people's phones because you want to get dirt on them either... in some places you are not allowed to video tape people without their knowledge...


Now go on ranting about how bad ACORN is, but  that will do this little pimp turd a lot of good when his parents have to pay his legal bills, pay out for his civil judgments, and when he is sitting his ass behind bars completely ruining his prospective career...

This kid is a waste of skin


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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 7:59:05 PM   
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Because it makes you look as foolish as always when you spout your rants without any documentation and then pretend you are so all-knowing that you don't need to provide support for your views.




Bullshit, RML.  I've posted on "welfare" and possible welfare reforms many times.  I don't see any point in doing it again for the benefit of people who started their objections by ignoring the words I began with.  It is right and proper that a nation such as ours should have a safety net.  I do not believe it is right and proper for people to be encouraged to settle in, and raise generations in it. 

Besides, I have a far more interesting offer for the evening. 


but it serves so many wonderful purposes.

not only the people in need but the retention of power in that these people can all be catalogged, habits studied, medicines tested on them, corralled and very easily managed and manipulated and they will always vote fot the one who promises them more of YOUR money!


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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 8:01:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		There isn't anything inherently wrong with an income from SSDI, Mike.  What you describe is exactly the reason such programs do, and should, exist.  I'm familiar with the application process, but do you realize how many government jobs are created with the multi-layered application, hearing, and appeal process?  It could easily be streamlined, but think of all the people who would be put out of work!  I've known people in their 20's who qualified, because they had failed drug rehab twice (gov't funded rehab, of course).  That's where I develop an issue.



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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 8:07:15 PM   
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There isn't anything inherently wrong with an income from SSDI, Mike.  What you describe is exactly the reason such programs do, and should, exist.  I'm familiar with the application process, but do you realize how many government jobs are created with the multi-layered application, hearing, and appeal process?  It could easily be streamlined, but think of all the people who would be put out of work!  I've known people in their 20's who qualified, because they had failed drug rehab twice (gov't funded rehab, of course).  That's where I develop an issue.



You develop an issue with someone who fails rehab twice for what reason?
Everyone knows that you would never even need rehab cuz you are "da bomb".
The problem arises from those who are normal humans without your supernatural powers...The view from your lofty perch must be nice.




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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 8:10:09 PM   
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they will always vote fot the one who promises them more of YOUR money!


When you can validate this moronic statement it might have some meaning

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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 8:18:11 PM   
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There isn't anything inherently wrong with an income from SSDI, Mike.  What you describe is exactly the reason such programs do, and should, exist.  I'm familiar with the application process, but do you realize how many government jobs are created with the multi-layered application, hearing, and appeal process?  It could easily be streamlined, but think of all the people who would be put out of work!  I've known people in their 20's who qualified, because they had failed drug rehab twice (gov't funded rehab, of course).  That's where I develop an issue.


Now this makes no sense Rich ,"streamline" the process and you make it easier for those who would "game" the system...to do so.The process is multi-layered for a reason .I like all if not most who apply for SSDI was originaly denied....necessitating an appeal and an opportunity for a more intense examination process designed to ensure that only those who qualify for these benifits receive them...I did not mind jumping through the hoops...I realised they were in place for a reason.

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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 8:37:06 PM   
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Didn't that go out the welfare reform back in the '90s?  How do you get multi-generational welfare with a 5 year limit?




Mileage varies widely from state to state, Thorns.  Some participants shift to other programs (the already mentioned SSDI, for example), there are circumstances that can reported to apply for a waiver of time limits (your local ACORN office could likely advise on that), or, a new name can be placed in the "head of household" box to reset the clock.  Depending on the rules of the various states, the clock can also stop running, with food stamps, medical benefits, and housing subsidies mostly unaffected.  California has 32% of the nation's welfare caseload.  As I'm sure you can easily figure out, the policies I'm most knowledgeable about are pretty toothless.

Texas is a whole different situation.

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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 9:01:32 PM   
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California has 32% of the nation's welfare caseload. As I'm sure you can easily figure out, the policies I'm most knowledgeable about are pretty toothless.

What does this alleged 32% prove?
Will you finally be happy when all of the poor are ground up to make dog food?
Then you can lobby to have all of your tax money spent starting wars that you have not the stomach to involve yourself in personally.

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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 9:10:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		"ground up to make dog food" Rich ? Will that really make you happy?Alpo isn't good enough for Spot?

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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 9:43:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh dear Lord, Mike...  LOL.  It's like that joke about the American tourist who figures anybody can understand English, if you yell loud enough.  If he just gets a little bit more abusive, I'll pay attention to him.



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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 9:43:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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Life's often unfair. Cry me a river.



LOL, Panda.  Funny how you would choose to make this an argument, given the rest of the post. 

Yeah.  A box in the middle of the road, here.  I'm glad you made it.  Yet somehow you chose a path other than the one ACORN or a similar agency would have guided you to.  Why didn't you just get the Social Security disability checks started, put your name on the Section 8 waiting list, get some family member signed up to be your in-home care provider (and into the union, of course), and make sure Medicare bought you that powerchair?


Thanks, Rich. Appreciated.

The simple truth is, I wasn't willing to settle for that kind of a life. An avenue such as that is simply not an option for me, nor would it ever be. I won't live like that.

But I challenge your assertion that this is the path down which ACORN or "a similar agency" would have steered me. That's a misconception and a misrepresentation of what community-based non-profits do. I know, because before i got sick i spent most of my adult life working for such organizations. The role of most community non-profits is to steer people toward resources with which they can rebuild productive lives for themselves - employment agencies, community development programs, educational opportunities, etc. I don't know where you get your information that ACORN and community non-profits typically teach people how to leech off the system, but whoever told you that is ignorant. If I were you, I wouldn't listen to them anymore. They're preventing you from gaining a functional understanding of the world in which you live.


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Welfare has become a multi-generational culture.  ACORN, and many of their former affiliates maintain and promote that culture.  I'm not okay with that.  They also suck up grant money that could be going to agencies focused on moving people closer to self-sufficiency, instead of away from it. 


How do they do that? They are an agency focused on moving people closer to self-sufficiency. I guess I'm not sure how you see them as sucking up grant money that could be going to other agencies.


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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 9:46:05 PM   
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There isn't anything inherently wrong with an income from SSDI, Mike.  What you describe is exactly the reason such programs do, and should, exist.  I'm familiar with the application process, but do you realize how many government jobs are created with the multi-layered application, hearing, and appeal process?  It could easily be streamlined, but think of all the people who would be put out of work!  I've known people in their 20's who qualified, because they had failed drug rehab twice (gov't funded rehab, of course).  That's where I develop an issue.


Now this makes no sense Rich ,"streamline" the process and you make it easier for those who would "game" the system...to do so.The process is multi-layered for a reason .I like all if not most who apply for SSDI was originaly denied....necessitating an appeal and an opportunity for a more intense examination process designed to ensure that only those who qualify for these benifits receive them...I did not mind jumping through the hoops...I realised they were in place for a reason.


I believe that system is as corrupt as the rest. Up to 1/3 of your settlement can go to a lawyer who you will need to "fight" for the benefits you are entitled too.

Its a crooked system, with the person in need being the one screwed yet again.

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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 10:21:57 PM   
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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 10:28:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		That is true Tazzy one third of everything I was due,in other words almost 2 years of SSI went to the lawyer...I of course was just happy to finally be receiving my benifits and thankful that I,unlike some in my position ,had other means of support(ie: workers comp ...and a healthy,loving and giving extended family)So I was alright and so was my son...I imagine for some that wait would have been hell and to than lose 1/3 a kick in the ass.......but,and this is a big but ,there are those who would apply for benifits who aren't entitled to those benifits.....

So I guess I do owe Rich an apology concerning his "streamlining" post...that's 2 apologies this thread alone.....I need to stop posting!


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