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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 10:45:19 PM   
TheHeretic


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Now this makes no sense Rich ,"streamline" the process and you make it easier for those who would "game" the system...to do so.The process is multi-layered for a reason .I like all if not most who apply for SSDI was originaly denied....necessitating an appeal and an opportunity for a more intense examination process designed to ensure that only those who qualify for these benifits receive them...I did not mind jumping through the hoops...I realised they were in place for a reason.


I believe that system is as corrupt as the rest. Up to 1/3 of your settlement can go to a lawyer who you will need to "fight" for the benefits you are entitled too.

Its a crooked system, with the person in need being the one screwed yet again.




Tazzy just nailed one of the ways they could streamline, Mike.  The adversarial process is probably hardest on those who require the services most.  Re-tooling how they "triage" incoming caseload could go a long way.  So could weighting a stable work history.  Requiring applicants to sign privacy waivers to permit data-mining could go a very long way in detecting and preventing fraud, and speed up the process of bringing people on, or telling them to get off their malingering asses.


tried editing to fix the quotes, but I don't think it worked.

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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/7/2010 11:22:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Adversarily process...lol,Rich you crack me up,I'm sitting here thinking of my long tortured trail thru the maze that is workers comp and SSDI....first you get hurt,and than you get screwed.Shit the Insurance Co's don't even listen to their own Doctors....aat least not till they are forced to

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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/8/2010 3:46:41 AM   
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He is trying to negate me by making my life look like one giant trip to the welfare department,..... one good turn deserves another


I know, I was being sarcastic. On the other hand I don't give a fuck what people here say, they are just people sitting behind a computer screen. I really don't afford them my time or emotion, my ego can take it. How can anyone "negate" a person they only know online, you are giving him far too much power.


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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/8/2010 5:52:17 AM   
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He is trying to negate me by making my life look like one giant trip to the welfare department,..... one good turn deserves another


I know, I was being sarcastic. On the other hand I don't give a fuck what people here say, they are just people sitting behind a computer screen. I really don't afford them my time or emotion, my ego can take it. How can anyone "negate" a person they only know online, you are giving him far too much power.



I am not taking it that serious..

It isn't like I spend a lot of time refreshing the page to see how he responded...

On the other hand, I will call out people who will use personal info because they are rather pointless... this person cherry picks stuff he has read in the past to go after people on a personal level because his political views have no foundation...

An example.. he states falsehoods about welfare with no supporting information... he and I have had this argument before.


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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/8/2010 5:54:12 AM   
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I'm sitting here wondering what the fuck is wrong with getting a Social Security disability check?
Qualifying for one is not an easy thing to do....and sometimes requires competant legal help to navigate the course.
I know it did in my case !
edited because I can't spell....but that just might be adversely affected by my chronic need for pain meds....another side benifit of the work-site injury that led to my gaming the system for SSI !!!!!!



Be careful with what you post to him, he uses that stuff later in his arsenal of red herrings


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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/8/2010 6:53:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Oh dear Lord, Mike...  LOL.  It's like that joke about the American tourist who figures anybody can understand English, if you yell loud enough.  If he just gets a little bit more abusive, I'll pay attention to him.




Dick why do you think that me asking you questions is abusive?
Why is it when someone calls you on your moroinic bullshit, you think that is abusive?
You abuse people you do not even know because you have not made the effort to do even a miniscule amount of reading on the subjects that you so vituperatly belittle.

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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/8/2010 7:02:09 AM   
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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/8/2010 7:52:20 AM   
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If you choose to bring out your personal baggage and tragedies to make your illogical opinions and knee-jerk prejudices seem like legitimate arguments, you invite being responded to with them.



If you made logical arguements with that data I would have no problem but all you do is make snide remarks and try denigrate the person and that is purile and base.

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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/8/2010 8:06:30 AM   
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If you choose to bring out your personal baggage and tragedies to make your illogical opinions and knee-jerk prejudices seem like legitimate arguments, you invite being responded to with them.


You truly are a bitter person... I suppose working your ass off for peanuts all of your life has really twisted your sense of reality... hint Rich, poor people cannot be blamed for the fact you make so very little. You should pull yourself up by your bootstraps and stop the "entitlement" envy that you have. I know you believe welfare recipients are keeping you down, but that just ain't true...

This is why you should offer some statistics to back your points, it might change your mind about life if you realized that the only people that you should be mad at are those who are really ripping your tax dollars off... like the military industrial complex...

But you know, when people think that social security is somehow welfare, there really is no reasoning with them


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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/8/2010 8:08:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

If you choose to bring out your personal baggage and tragedies to make your illogical opinions and knee-jerk prejudices seem like legitimate arguments, you invite being responded to with them.



If you made logical arguements with that data I would have no problem but all you do is make snide remarks and try denigrate the person and that is purile and base.


He is proud of his baiting behavior.,... just one more thing that makes him a fucked up individual

If it were not for the fact he can make me laugh once in a while I wouldn't read him anymore...His only redeeming quality on these boards


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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/8/2010 9:37:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Far be it from me to get in the middle of a spitting match(god knows I'm in enough of them myself.....hi Sanity ,Thompson and Realone...etc,etc..)but Rich is actually a nice guy.....I mean other than that whole conservative bent and all.For myself I have no fear of what he will throw back in my face....as for any others that throw bullshit my way.....I just try to remember this is the internet....,.theres an asshole behind every keyboard.God knows this particular keyboard has its asshole requirement fulfilled

< Message edited by slvemike4u -- 3/8/2010 9:38:06 AM >

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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/8/2010 10:00:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Okay... a little background....

My life = successful and happy.... I have had to seek help from social services. I am not ashamed of that. If I were ashamed of that I would never have posted about it on the internet. I am actually a success story of what helping people can lead to. I am proud of raising my son from infancy without child support from my ex husband. I am proud of working my way through community college in the top 10 of those who graduated with a 4.0 GPA. I got loans, grants, and scholarships for the rest of my education and graduated with high honors from a four year institution. I am now in grad school on the university's dime because they think I am brainy enough to bother with... Rich calls that gaming the system... well I call using it to better my chances of providing something in the future for those I love.

Now I suppose Rich may think that being gifted an education by your parents is more praiseworthy than working hard for one, but I do not agree with that position. He stated that to diminish my accomplishments instead of backing up his position with actual data.

I am not upset by anything that Rich has posted, when I close out collarme I do not run around worrying about it, I really do not care all that much.... but I will call him on posting personal attacks to disguise his ignorance, which he is ignorant about welfare, never posts a source of where he gets his stats from, which makes me think it is all made up in his head.

It is funny how he attacks ACORN for engaging in giving advice to many who struggle, like I did, yet he isn't willing to condemn the dishonest and in some instances illegal behavior by those who targeted ACORN...His MO is to attack those who have been wronged to justify the lying deceptive behavior of those who wronged them... par for the course.

Finally, I really do not care what your opinion of me is, and I care even less what your opinion of Rich is...

He has shown trollish behavior in my direction on innumerous occasions because when he lacks substantiation for his opinions he get pissy and personal






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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/8/2010 10:05:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am a pimp with a mighty oak (no acorn here), and I am looking for a hoax or two.

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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/8/2010 10:50:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Julia I know I never offered any opinion and/or judgement of you in that last post....and certainly have never suggested anything in the least bit negative fired in your direction.....Why my last post inspired your somewhat caustic reply is beyond me and more than a little confusing....My stating I happened to think Rich was a nice guy....was just that, my own personal opinion....does that mean I agree with all of Rich's posts?...Of course not,hell 9 times out of ten we disagree but I happen to like the way he does it.....sue me but I like sarcasm.....especially effective sarcasm!
By the way just for your information(and I know you really don't care) but I applaud your efforts in gaining your education and agree 100% ...You should be proud of your accomplishments!

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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/8/2010 11:17:08 AM   
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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/8/2010 11:28:35 AM   
slvemike4u


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Status: offline 		Yeah,people shouldn't go around pretending to be pimp's.....a pimp's life is tough enough,lord knows they don't need some silly asshole going around ruining their reputations and besmirching a time honored and respected career !!!!!

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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/8/2010 1:49:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		You've said a few times that CA has 32% of the caseload, and it has a per capita rate of 3.69, from what I can calculate.  In 2003 CA was # 5 in recipients per capita at 3.005 (DC was #1 at 7.835).  With such a huge population, you'd expect CA to be a large contributor to the nation's welfare caseload, especially since housing dumped.

I don't feel so inspired as to go and calculate 2009 per capita rates for other states.

Even with 32% of the nation's caseload, the number of caseloads is down 47% since the 1996 welfare reforms.

That 32% figure, from HHS, does not break down into multi-generational or not, refugee/legal immigrant, etc.

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Didn't that go out the welfare reform back in the '90s?  How do you get multi-generational welfare with a 5 year limit?




Mileage varies widely from state to state, Thorns.  Some participants shift to other programs (the already mentioned SSDI, for example), there are circumstances that can reported to apply for a waiver of time limits (your local ACORN office could likely advise on that), or, a new name can be placed in the "head of household" box to reset the clock.  Depending on the rules of the various states, the clock can also stop running, with food stamps, medical benefits, and housing subsidies mostly unaffected.  California has 32% of the nation's welfare caseload.  As I'm sure you can easily figure out, the policies I'm most knowledgeable about are pretty toothless.

Texas is a whole different situation.


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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/8/2010 6:36:37 PM   
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And on that note... I do believe the OP of this thread was about ACORN and a pimp hoax.



Yeah, "Acorn Sucks! Acorn Sucks!"

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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/8/2010 6:38:10 PM   
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I am a pimp with a mighty oak (no acorn here), and I am looking for a hoax or two.


Hoax... is that a french whore?

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RE: Just as I Thought: Acorn Pimp Story=Hoax - 3/8/2010 8:04:31 PM   
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