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Still waiting for that thread...

I wouldn't want to add to your persecution complex.  [;)]

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The system isn't "evil". I do not think for a minute that I can change it by posting on a message board... all I would probably do is end up looking like someone who was pushing for some Utopian ideal, and I do not believe in those either... but there has to be some middle ground between standardized testing and really learning. There has to be some room for the arts somewhere. Perhaps there has to be some room to fund people to pursue their dreams...

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There was a period in which the Christian Coalition stacked school boards all over the country with folks who either belonged to the Christian Coalition or affiliated Christian organizations... I do not think that these folks represent mainstream America. I also do not think that most young parents even know who is running for their local school boards, much less who is behind them or what their ideology is. I remember being a young mother. I was busy worrying about who my son's teacher was going to be, not who was running the school. I looked at test scores, etc, but I did not think to look into the direction the school was going...

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The system isn't "evil". I do not think for a minute that I can change it by posting on a message board... all I would probably do is end up looking like someone who was pushing for some Utopian ideal, and I do not believe in those either... but there has to be some middle ground between standardized testing and really learning. There has to be some room for the arts somewhere. Perhaps there has to be some room to fund people to pursue their dreams...

It depends on how you define "evil" I suppose.

The system serves those at the top of the food chain, not humanity.

There certainly should be room for the arts, and for people to pursue their dreams. But the system discourages this, because it doesn't provide economic value.

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I read through these and this is what really struck me.

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There was a period in which the Christian Coalition stacked school boards all over the country with folks who either belonged to the Christian Coalition or affiliated Christian organizations... I do not think that these folks represent mainstream America. I also do not think that most young parents even know who is running for their local school boards, much less who is behind them or what their ideology is. I remember being a young mother. I was busy worrying about who my son's teacher was going to be, not who was running the school. I looked at test scores, etc, but I did not think to look into the direction the school was going...

Not to be a jerk but if a group doesn't care enough to run against someone they disagree with how much say do we really want them having?

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Neither does preparing for 4 years for a job that doesn't exist by the time you get that BA degree

OK. Let's see examples of this.

But the best programs don't do this exclusively---they focus on skills, and those skills are transferable.

Every day I teach things that didn't exist when I was in school.

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If you follow your bliss, you put yourself on a kind of track that has been there all the while, waiting for you, and the life that you ought to be living is the one you are living. When you can see that, you begin to meet people who are in your field of bliss, and they open doors to you.  I say, follow your bliss and don't be afraid, and doors will open where you didn't know they were going to be.

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The system isn't "evil". I do not think for a minute that I can change it by posting on a message board... all I would probably do is end up looking like someone who was pushing for some Utopian ideal, and I do not believe in those either... but there has to be some middle ground between standardized testing and really learning. There has to be some room for the arts somewhere. Perhaps there has to be some room to fund people to pursue their dreams...

It depends on how you define "evil" I suppose.

The system serves those at the top of the food chain, not humanity.

There certainly should be room for the arts, and for people to pursue their dreams. But the system discourages this, because it doesn't provide economic value.

Tell that to Stephen King and Dan Brown. They've brought quite a bit of money into your country over their careers, and are probably providing a steadier trickle of money than any of your manufacturing industry at the moment. It's not like either of them's paying somebody who works in a sweatshop in Asia to write their books for them, is it?
Given all of the fuss about the American film industry and pop music, I always find it very strange when people argue that the arts isn't a serious source of revenue. I'd suspect that they made a lot more last year than whatever's left of the big three.

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There was a period in which the Christian Coalition stacked school boards all over the country with folks who either belonged to the Christian Coalition or affiliated Christian organizations... I do not think that these folks represent mainstream America. I also do not think that most young parents even know who is running for their local school boards, much less who is behind them or what their ideology is. I remember being a young mother. I was busy worrying about who my son's teacher was going to be, not who was running the school. I looked at test scores, etc, but I did not think to look into the direction the school was going...

Supposedly they tried to get Jack Chick onto a school board in New York state, but he was too busy drawing comics.

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That said, it didn't really work for John Kennedy Toole, did it?

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The system isn't "evil". I do not think for a minute that I can change it by posting on a message board... all I would probably do is end up looking like someone who was pushing for some Utopian ideal, and I do not believe in those either... but there has to be some middle ground between standardized testing and really learning. There has to be some room for the arts somewhere. Perhaps there has to be some room to fund people to pursue their dreams...

It depends on how you define "evil" I suppose.

The system serves those at the top of the food chain, not humanity.

There certainly should be room for the arts, and for people to pursue their dreams. But the system discourages this, because it doesn't provide economic value.

Tell that to Stephen King and Dan Brown. They've brought quite a bit of money into your country over their careers, and are probably providing a steadier trickle of money than any of your manufacturing industry at the moment. It's not like either of them's paying somebody who works in a sweatshop in Asia to write their books for them, is it?
Given all of the fuss about the American film industry and pop music, I always find it very strange when people argue that the arts isn't a serious source of revenue. I'd suspect that they made a lot more last year than whatever's left of the big three.

I wondered how long it would be before someone would throw Hollywood or best sellers in my face.

In your opinion, how many starving artists are there for every commercially successful one?

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That said, it didn't really work for John Kennedy Toole, did it?

That book was one of the bestest ever... It is a great loss to literature that he offed himself.

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Add to that non-caring parents, moms who are too stressed to care what the 5 kids do after school, kids who need glasses and have no money to get them, kids who have no warm clothes, kids who enter kindergarten not knowing colors and numbers up to 10....

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Most unsuccessful artists try to hold down a day job, rather than starving, you'll find.

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Most unsuccessful artists try to hold down a day job, rather than starving, you'll find.

Bingo.

And by so doing, are they pursuing their dreams by washing dishes or driving a taxi?

Are they expending most of their energies to pursue their creative endeavors, or to extract enough money out of the monetary system to survive?

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So you'd be in favour of some sort of federal arts funding programme to stop them having to do that, then?

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I could go on, but it will not change anyones mind. Just remember, as you sit and fight about whats wrong, there are many of us who fight the fight daily to help these students survive and have the basic necessities.

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Help fix that and the rest will just happen.

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Old links, 2004 scholarship... again, let it go. It just ends up working against you, and against points that need to be raised.

2004 is not all that long ago, when I am doing my literature review that would be considered relevant... anything 10 years old or sooner... and if you cannot see why the Christian Right taking over school systems and curricula is an important piece of the puzzle for why schools are failing, well I guess there is nothing I can say about it that will influence you to see why this is a huge issue in the failing school system...

I would not call it ego, I would call it intellectual honesty... I have some and if someone asks for proof and I provide it, I expect he person to at least review what I posted before dismissing it. He was prepared to reject it before I posted it, and I suppose I shouldn't have went out of my way to do so. I hate my time wasted.