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Inaccessible - 3/14/2010 6:33:03 PM   
LadyAngelika


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Last week, a friend of mine told me that he felt that I was inaccessible (I'm translating directly from French, so maybe I can say hard to approach? but I'm not sure).

He said that because he is my friend now, he feels he can talk to me, but if he met me in social setting without the benefit of friends in common, he would have found it very intimidating to approach me. He's not the first to say something like this, but I actually value this man's opinion quite a bit.

I'm wondering if this comes with the territory of being a dominant woman or if it's got more to do with my personality.

Have you been told you were inaccessible or hard to approach? Do you have any thoughts on this topic?

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RE: Inaccessible - 3/14/2010 7:13:28 PM   
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Yes, I've been told I'm intimidating.  This always strikes me as odd because, at 5'3" and 125lbs, I'm the least intimidating person I know, especially when compared to my husband, who has high-ranking belts in multiple martial arts forms, and my friends who are in the military.  I'm outspoken and I enjoy a good debate, whereas many women are taught to be softspoken and non-confrontational.  I think it's overall strength of personality and dominance is just one part of it.

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RE: Inaccessible - 3/14/2010 7:17:33 PM   
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He said that because he is my friend now, he feels he can talk to me, but if he met me in social setting without the benefit of friends in common, he would have found it very intimidating to approach me.




Lady Angelika,
i'd like to respond to Your question, but i am too intimidated by You to reply. 


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RE: Inaccessible - 3/14/2010 7:20:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

He said that because he is my friend now, he feels he can talk to me, but if he met me in social setting without the benefit of friends in common, he would have found it very intimidating to approach me.




Lady Angelika,
i'd like to respond to Your question, but i am too intimidated by You to reply. 



Really? You? The cunning linguist? ;-)

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RE: Inaccessible - 3/14/2010 7:23:09 PM   
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I have been told, for most of my adult life, that I am intimidating.  I don't know you personally LA but if you are like me then you are confident and assertive.  Men in particular are intimidated by strong women.  When I discovered wiitwd several years ago it was so refreshing to have men who appreciated and sought out that type of personality.  Subs find out that I have a soft, approachable side  as they get to know me and a relationship develops.  Initially, not so much. 

I am proud of all that I have accomplished in my life and I guess that shows through in my demeanor.  I don't like to believe that I am unapproachable but rather that I command respect, which is a good thing.



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RE: Inaccessible - 3/14/2010 7:39:07 PM   
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I think being dominant *is* part of our personality. My supervisor recently told me that the (male) attorneys I work for are terrified of me, and I don't think he was joking.

I have no problem approaching you; but then, I'm not a guy.

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RE: Inaccessible - 3/14/2010 7:49:59 PM   
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Thanks Sylverë, masmiss and Venatrix. I guess it's all part of the dominant personality.

The funny thing is that once someone gets to know me, I'm totally approachable and accessible. Is that the same for you as well?

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RE: Inaccessible - 3/14/2010 8:23:12 PM   
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The funny thing is that once someone gets to know me, I'm totally approachable and accessible. Is that the same for you as well?

- LA[/font]


Oddly enough, yes. But then, I've never felt that being assertive and being kind, considerate and pleasant were mutually exclusive. When others make disparaging remarks about people, and particularly, women, being assertive, that is almost always a sign that they wanted to take advantage of you in some way and are disappointed to find out that it's not likely to happen.

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RE: Inaccessible - 3/14/2010 8:43:00 PM   
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For what it's worth, LA, I've never found you unapproachable.  To me, there's a little girl inside every woman, femdoms included (if they think they're exceptions, they're wrong).  Once I've seen that in a woman, she's never unapproachable to me again. 

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RE: Inaccessible - 3/14/2010 8:46:36 PM   
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ive been told because I tend to be an observer... I have a tendency to be taken as difficult to approach... I had a friend tell me I am something like a jack in the box... you know ...your caught off guard once you reveal the inside... because Im not at all as I appear .. icy.. removed.. slightly aloof...Im simply taken it all in...people interest me and how the interact interest me so I tend to watch... Im rather warm, funny with a big personality.. I just dont look like that at first glance..or so Im told by my friends.

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RE: Inaccessible - 3/14/2010 8:48:12 PM   
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Actually, no.  One of the best compliments that I often get is that people find Me easy to approach.  While some folks are intimidated by Me as a sadist, they find that, as a person, I'm very friendly and social.  I'm often told that I'm not like other Dominant women who suffer from top's disease.

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RE: Inaccessible - 3/14/2010 8:49:18 PM   
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I get that too.  Usually, I get that from people who didn't even bother to try they just said I had "a look"  After they have this built up in their minds they transfer it to I'm mean, but when asked no one can state one mean thing I've done...again they said it's a "look"

What I find very funny is that these same people come and tell me all of their problems, in detail, and always wanting my help and opinion.

Geez which is it?...lol

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RE: Inaccessible - 3/14/2010 9:07:31 PM   
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top disease???? thats a new one on me

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RE: Inaccessible - 3/14/2010 10:23:50 PM   
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It's not exactly new.  You can find the term in "The Loving Dominant", "SM 101", "Screw The Roses", and several other books.  Definition taken from "The Loving Dominant" index:

Top's Disease - A condition where a top or dominant projects the fantasy role into the real world with an assumption  of superiority.


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RE: Inaccessible - 3/15/2010 12:23:57 AM   
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Dear Big Bad Lady Angelika,

quote:

He said that because he is my friend now, he feels he can talk to me, but if he met me in social setting without the benefit of friends in common, he would have found it very intimidating to approach me.  (snip)  I'm wondering if this comes with the territory of being a dominant woman or if it's got more to do with my personality.


Personally, I don't think this has anything to do with dominance.  Also, I don't think it's just you but rather the pairing of particular individuals.  With one person, you might be very open and approachable and with another, not so much so.  Each person also brings their own projections and perceptions with them.  I'm not saying anything against your friend (or friends), but I wouldn't take this too much to heart.  By all means examine it if you want to and make changes in your personal style as you wish, but I wouldn't get too wrapped up in over analyzing.

For the record, I've always found you very approachable.  Then again, that might be different were I before you, but I'm guessing not.  You let out enough of your personage and your "girly buttons" (to borrow a bit of pseudo-phraseology from Peon) that I'm sure your company would be very enjoyable and not intimidating at all.  I think there's a huge difference between feeling intimidated and feeling nervous when meeting someone.  I think everyone tends to feel a little nervous when meeting for the first time, even if that only manifests as wondering how the meeting will turn out.

Elan.

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RE: Inaccessible - 3/15/2010 12:28:28 AM   
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Top's Disease - A condition where a top or dominant projects the fantasy role into the real world with an assumption  of superiority.


There are variations on this theme (such as a dominant I met at a play party who would speak to me only through my dominant counterpart and not directly to me... it was as though I didn't exist), but Lady Pact's quote gets the gist across.  Therefore... what *She* said.

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RE: Inaccessible - 3/15/2010 12:39:00 AM   
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No I don't think inaccessability has to do with being a domme at all. Its a part of the whole cardboard Domme (icy cold, cruel, etc.) stereotype that really pisses me off. I'm nothing like that in person, and dommes run the gamut of possible personality types, I'm sure- just like any other orientation presumably does.

I'm very warm, welcoming, extroverted, and gregarious in person. No one would ever think to describe me as innapproachable, I'm quite sure. A happy control freak, yes of course. But very inviting, casual and friendly.

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RE: Inaccessible - 3/15/2010 3:10:43 AM   
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This might mostly be echoing what Elan already said, but based on the limited information I don't see your friend's view as unusual or necessarily having much of anything to do with you possessing a somehow intimidating dominant personality. Did he elaborate any on why he found you "inaccessible"? Did he single you out as specifically being more difficult to approach than other women?

I personally tend to be shy in social settings initially, so I'm not particularly comfortable approaching people I don't already know in some manner without first being introduced or receiving a clear invitation. I think many people have similar feelings, albeit to differing degrees. For me, this tendency has nothing to do with whether the other person appears to be "dominant" in any way or not. Admittedly, if someone else looks a bit nervous or out of place themselves I may be more likely to approach them, but that has more to do with empathizing and wanting to make them comfortable. Providing someone else looks like they are occupied or content, intruding is rather intimidating for me.

I suppose if someone is circulating, smiling, and obviously making an effort to meet people it's somewhat less intimidating, but I don't think the difference is really so much a matter of projected personality (introverted/extroverted/dominant/whatever) as them somehow managing to express an intent to interact. If it's clear someone is looking to get to know people, that makes talking to them easier.

While I'm not the sort likely to approach a random stranger, I definitely don't see being dominant as inherently making someone intimidating or unapproachable. Despite being shy, I've somehow managed to get to know a couple of dominant women as friends. If I can do it, it can't possibly be that terrifying. :)

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RE: Inaccessible - 3/15/2010 4:13:42 AM   
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some women seem more off-putting than others, but being a woman alone is enough to make talking to them hard for me.

the more i like someone, the harder it is to talk to them; the less interest i have, the easier it is to become comfortable.

that often backfires completely from the one's i'm not interested in thinking "i'm confident and flirting with them" or some such.  where the one's that choke me up and seem impossible to talk to generally think i have no interest or find something wrong with them because i won't talk to or look at them without shying away if they glance at me.

being dominant or submissive doesn't change a lot for me personally, they're both hard for me to talk to, it's just that the reasons are different.  the primary reason with a dominant woman is my unwavering ability for my mind to badger and convince me of things like "hey, she's 'dominant'... if she wanted to talk to you she would have already", with a submissive or most any other woman it's more along the lines of "why on earth would she want you to talk to her".

the only time my shyness or second guessing doesn't have any limits is when i see someone is hurt, sad, or could just use a bit of help.  i don't think i'd chalk that one up to the idea of "the macho hero saving the damsel in distress" cliche it would generally sound like, it just bothers me bad enough i stop caring.  i'm actually a bit sympathetic to men like this too, where normally i wouldn't exchange so much as a hello with them, though women definitely tug on my strings a little harder.

what sucks for them is that they have to beat me away with a stick in this circumstance, where normally you'd have to put a gun to my head to get me to approach them.  don't need my help? fine.  but i'm coming back 5 minutes later with the means to help anyway.

if i ever thought they believed i was only asking if they needed help was because i smelled vulnerability and was trying to pick them up, i'd probably be so mortified i couldn't hope of talking to them ever again.

anyway you're a woman, and when you're attractive to us, that just happens to make some of "us" stutter if we try to force ourselves to talk. 

i'd say you seem a lot less off putting because you're nice, it's the high and mighty one's that i feel look down on me that seem the most impossible to talk to.

"inaccessible" however, means you're lesbian or already have someone.  a lot of guys mention things like "she's inaccessible, don't you see that ring", and the truth is i never do, let alone do i ever remember which hand means what.  i tried one time and i ended up just thinking everyone with a ring not made out of neon plastic was married.  i do the same stuff in other ways though... if a guy hugs a girl i like, even if it's her brother (not that i'd know), i immediately give up from the assumption that it's her significant other.

at the very least, i'd say it's likely more to do with our perception than your portrayal.


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RE: Inaccessible - 3/15/2010 4:19:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

Last week, a friend of mine told me that he felt that I was inaccessible (I'm translating directly from French, so maybe I can say hard to approach? but I'm not sure).

He said that because he is my friend now, he feels he can talk to me, but if he met me in social setting without the benefit of friends in common, he would have found it very intimidating to approach me. He's not the first to say something like this, but I actually value this man's opinion quite a bit.

I'm wondering if this comes with the territory of being a dominant woman or if it's got more to do with my personality.

Have you been told you were inaccessible or hard to approach? Do you have any thoughts on this topic?

- LA



I've been told this my whole life. It used to bother me because the perception of me was far from the truth. Now...I guess I just do not even really think about it. What people think is not always the truth but it matters so much less to me now than it used to. Especially since I've realized that those that it keeps away, it is probably for the better.


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