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RE: US slams Israel 'insult' - 3/15/2010 9:34:57 AM

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So how about's Israel's feelings of entitlement to the whole of Palestine? Obviously this has less to do with the OP than yet more manly libertarian whining about the joke America has instead of a social security system, but it might be nice if somebody addressed SaintIntensity's point about Israel offering fuck all in return for the huge sums of money your country keeps ploughing into their genocide campaign.

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RE: US slams Israel 'insult' - 3/15/2010 9:43:52 AM

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Personally I'd call it an earned benefit to those that have payed in. But it's amazing how many that draw that didn't pay or payed very little. I prefer to view it as a poorly conceived and terribly managed Big Government Vote and Enfluence Purchasing Program.

If you were to actually look it up you would find that SS is a voluntary insurance program.
Is it your position that if you buy an insurance policy on your life and make only a few payments before you die that your benificiary should not be paid because you only made a few payments?

That entire paragraph leaves me with only this as a response:

What?

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RE: US slams Israel 'insult' - 3/15/2010 10:21:42 AM

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No I was speaking of the ones that you take personally

Again....all of 'em. And at that I do mean entitlements and not earned benefits or constitutional intentions.

Before I posted I tried to consider what "entitlements" I take, and couldn't think of any.

But assuming I overlooked something it must not be all that critical, so get rid of it.

Though there are a few programs for poeple I find of value though I wouldn't share that info with you as it is obvious enough you'd use that info for your political advantage.

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So you want to give up your mortgage interest deduction?
Dependent deductions?

Yes the very moment they repeal this illegally imposed monster they call "income tax". Until that time I can assure you that I earn the use of my deductions, all of them.

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Military preference in civil service hiring?

First off I operate my own company.

To add to that, any benefit I derive from my ten plus years of service, was earned. I would assume that earning your keep wouldn't be all that foreign a concept to a Marine. I do trust that I am correct in assuming you were a Marine.

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It is relevant to the degree you wish to give up your entitlements or just that you want others to give up theirs?

I prefer we all earn our own way and that the right of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness shall not be compromised.

And by creating all brands of entitlements that facilitate general appathy and that ever growing sense of having the right to unearned entitlement that compromises the liberties and pursuit of happiness for all Americans that are, as they should be, standing on thier own merit.

I want to stand with, strong, proud, determined and capable free men, those that also push me to excel; I don't want to stand with those that have become content and happy within the confines of yet another form of human subjugation.

But still where does this leave us with regard to Israel.

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RE: US slams Israel 'insult' - 3/15/2010 10:25:51 AM

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I have limited use for Israel.

I'm for cutting the budget to such a degree that funding for "Indirect Territories" becomes impossible.

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RE: US slams Israel 'insult' - 3/15/2010 10:48:18 AM

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Are we discussing Israel or the overly entiitled segment of America inspired by our social welfare programs?

No, we are talking about Religious welfare programs. The kind of welfare that is always deemed good if its for God, and bad if its not.

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RE: US slams Israel 'insult' - 3/15/2010 10:57:15 AM

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Are we discussing Israel or the overly entiitled segment of America inspired by our social welfare programs?

No, we are talking about Religious welfare programs. The kind of welfare that is always deemed good if its for God, and bad if its not.

Well then I suggest that if God only helps those that help themselves it might be wise to be kickin' a bunch of folks (including Israel) to the curb and help them achieve enlightenment.

Look at me would you; I'm providing entitlement!!! Oh, the hypocracy of it all...

edited to add.....:Surely a post of this quality, filled with untold amounts of irony is worth 10 to 20 NZ points.

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RE: US slams Israel 'insult' - 3/15/2010 1:23:11 PM

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If you were to actually look it up you would find that SS is a voluntary insurance program.

Uhhh, no, it isnt.

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RE: US slams Israel 'insult' - 3/15/2010 1:31:09 PM

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They sent Biden instead of Hillary because his career has been built largely with the aid of Jewish/Zionist interests and he has been very supportive of Israel in return. OTOH Obamas approval rating in Israel is 4%, and Netanyahu knows that it is Obama who sets the policy. Israel will never totally give up the territory that it was granted, even though they let pieces of it be taken away in the past. Until the administration realizes that Israel is our only friend in the area and doesnt try to play both sides of the fence with positions that neither side buys, Israel will feel free to send the deserved insults in Washingtons direction.

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RE: US slams Israel 'insult' - 3/15/2010 1:40:05 PM

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Duh, the Bible says that the end of the world is nigh if peace comes to Israel. That's why we must continue to encourage them to fight, fight!! lol

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RE: US slams Israel 'insult' - 3/15/2010 1:42:18 PM

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Now that's a good point.....

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Duh, the Bible says that the end of the world is nigh if peace comes to Israel. That's why we must continue to encourage them to fight, fight!! lol

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RE: US slams Israel 'insult' - 3/15/2010 1:53:34 PM

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It's news to me that the bunch of cunts need any encouragement.

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RE: US slams Israel 'insult' - 3/15/2010 2:36:52 PM

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Israel as I see it is occupied land, the land was in the hands of the muslims since how long ago, the middle ages perhaps, if that is so and they have lived there ever since, then it is their home. Now for a bunch of western fuckwits to go in there and sweep aside the nationals of that country and call it Israel, is just plane wrong, especially as those that first inhabited Israel were refugees from ww2, tell me, after wars, people, refugees normally go back home,what happened with these refugees, why were they not sent back where they came from ? Now as Israel gets bigger, they need more land, then my answer to that, is stop the immigration to the country, no land to build, you can't come in simple as that, as stealing land from another country is only going to create bloodshed, but perhaps it is about arrogance.

As for land being so called promised to someone in a handbook, how would that stand up now in international law.

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RE: US slams Israel 'insult' - 3/15/2010 2:49:03 PM

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Shit Anerin,no sense complicaiting things with nuance and such.....just declare Israel null and void and send all the twits back whence they came heh?
Israel was born of fire and blood.....much like evry other modern nation state...and as such has as much right to exist as any other nation state!
"Israel as you see it" is nothing more than the simplistic ramblings of a dreamer.

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RE: US slams Israel 'insult' - 3/15/2010 2:50:25 PM

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Actually, the initial settlement isn't the problem so much. The Israelis doubling the size of the territory they claim in 1967 and trying to push the borders out further ever since is what's caused most of the trouble.

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RE: US slams Israel 'insult' - 3/15/2010 2:54:13 PM

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Actually, the initial settlement isn't the problem so much. The Israelis doubling the size of the territory they claim in 1967 and trying to push the borders out further ever since is what's caused most of the trouble.

Moonhead I'm scratching my head here...but was there not some great event,cataclysm or something or other that occured in '67 that led to those lines being redrawn......oh yeah it just came to me Israel's neighbors tried to wipe her off the map,needless to say she resisted!

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RE: US slams Israel 'insult' - 3/15/2010 2:57:51 PM

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Actually, the initial settlement isn't the problem so much. The Israelis doubling the size of the territory they claim in 1967 and trying to push the borders out further ever since is what's caused most of the trouble.

Hmmm . . . historically when one country attacks another county and then looses, they forfiet land. If they did not want to loose the land, they should not have tried to wipe out Isreal.

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RE: US slams Israel 'insult' - 3/15/2010 2:58:55 PM

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I pity women when they have countries named after them.

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RE: US slams Israel 'insult' - 3/15/2010 2:59:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Actually, the initial settlement isn't the problem so much. The Israelis doubling the size of the territory they claim in 1967 and trying to push the borders out further ever since is what's caused most of the trouble.

Moonhead I'm scratching my head here...but was there not some great event,cataclysm or something or other that occured in '67 that led to those lines being redrawn......oh yeah it just came to me Israel's neighbors tried to wipe her off the map,needless to say she resisted!

I'm not saying that Egypt and Syria were in the right, but I can see why the fact that Israel has maintained its claim to those territories ever since has pissed off most of the rest of the middle east. It isn't like they even have a big enough population to occupy them properly, is it?
(And that's probably the most obvious example of America looking like Israel's bitch in existence, while we're on this: if it hadn't been for those jets, the country would have been wiped off the map in a couple of hours rather than the six or seven days the war lasted.)

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RE: US slams Israel 'insult' - 3/15/2010 3:02:17 PM

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Actually, the initial settlement isn't the problem so much. The Israelis doubling the size of the territory they claim in 1967 and trying to push the borders out further ever since is what's caused most of the trouble.

Moonhead I'm scratching my head here...but was there not some great event,cataclysm or something or other that occured in '67 that led to those lines being redrawn......oh yeah it just came to me Israel's neighbors tried to wipe her off the map,needless to say she resisted!

I'm not saying that Egypt and Syria were in the right, but I can see why the fact that Israel has maintained its claim to those territories ever since has pissed off most of the rest of the middle east. It isn't like they even have a big enough population to occupy them properly, is it?
(And that's probably the most obvious example of America looking like Israel's bitch in existence, while we're on this: if it hadn't been for those jets, the country would have been wiped off the map in a couple of hours rather than the six or seven days the war lasted.)

Last time I checked, Isreal has given some of the land back. Multiple times as part of peace treaties. Frankly that has not worked out for Isreal all that well.

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RE: US slams Israel 'insult' - 3/15/2010 3:03:00 PM

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As I recall Moonhead,the jets Syria and Egypt were flying weren't exactly manufactured in Syrian and Egyptian plants...so you get no points for that.
Now let me ask you something if your neighbor showed a predisposition to burn down your house ...would you hand him back his petrol can?

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