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slvemike4u -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/15/2010 3:33:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen Having followed this story, the boy walked in on the sleeping woman and shot her almost point blank then went right on to school like nothing happened. The evidence behind it is the footprints in the snow. No adult prints were found and the size of the boy's foot was different than that of the little girl who discovered the mother. There is lots of information on the case that can be found if you look past the singular link posted here. The thing about these types of situations is that there's a high likelihood that, upon release, the boy will commit another crime of this magnitude or greater. Repeatedly throughout criminal history, especially in males, when they start this young, they don't stop. I'd rather not spend money on housing a large possibility of a violent, hopeless case. And that goes no matter how old the person is. boi Going on nothing more than the scenario you just recounted....does that sound like the accounting of a "sane" mind at work?A "sane" 12 year old mind at work? If there is some mental defect are you still proposing that we take it out back and "put it down"? Just trying to figure where the hell the bar is set.

LadyEllen -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/15/2010 3:33:26 PM)
Before we hang him, might we consider that boys of this age (and younger) spend a lot of time shooting others in video games that are extremely realistic. Perhaps we might also question, whether he knew the gun was loaded? It could easily be that he was playing round, reenacting something he'd seen or heard about on TV or in his video games, and thought the gun safe? Maybe even a prank to get his stepmother to wake up when the gun went click rather than bang - not funny of course, but possible for a boy of that age. E

lazarus1983 -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/15/2010 3:33:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol It's frightening how quick people are to call for lynchings - underneath our semi-civilized surface, the mob is simmering, waiting to find an avenue to boil over. Apparently some memebers of the mob will not be sated with the lynching of the supposed shooter.....one of our rabid group actually has nominated the father for his own turn swinging under the stout limb.....absolutely stupifying! I did? Please, using the handy dandy quote button, point out and show exactly where I "nominated" the father for a lynching? C'mon, you're a big boy, you can do it.

BoiJen -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/15/2010 3:35:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen Having followed this story, the boy walked in on the sleeping woman and shot her almost point blank then went right on to school like nothing happened. The evidence behind it is the footprints in the snow. No adult prints were found and the size of the boy's foot was different than that of the little girl who discovered the mother. There is lots of information on the case that can be found if you look past the singular link posted here. The thing about these types of situations is that there's a high likelihood that, upon release, the boy will commit another crime of this magnitude or greater. Repeatedly throughout criminal history, especially in males, when they start this young, they don't stop. I'd rather not spend money on housing a large possibility of a violent, hopeless case. And that goes no matter how old the person is. boi Going on nothing more than the scenario you just recounted....does that sound like the accounting of a "sane" mind at work?A "sane" 12 year old mind at work? If there is some mental defect are you still proposing that we take it out back and "put it down"? Just trying to figure where the hell the bar is set. Yes, put him down. I have a real issue with psychopaths with the inclination to maim or kill beings allowed to live at all...much less on a government dime. Just sayin... boi

BoiJen -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/15/2010 3:37:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyEllen Before we hang him, might we consider that boys of this age (and younger) spend a lot of time shooting others in video games that are extremely realistic. Perhaps we might also question, whether he knew the gun was loaded? It could easily be that he was playing round, reenacting something he'd seen or heard about on TV or in his video games, and thought the gun safe? Maybe even a prank to get his stepmother to wake up when the gun went click rather than bang - not funny of course, but possible for a boy of that age. E How does this take into account that after blowing a hole in her head that he hid the weapon under a blanket and then walked calmly to school? The family in and of itself has some serious issues that it likes to air publicly. And at 10 most every boy knows the difference between cold hard steel and wood v. plastic game. boi

LadyEllen -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/15/2010 3:39:26 PM)
To paraphrase Popeye's sig line "But your honour, this is not a jury of my peers; these people are an unthinking, vengeful mob" E

lazarus1983 -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/15/2010 3:39:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyEllen Before we hang him, might we consider that boys of this age (and younger) spend a lot of time shooting others in video games that are extremely realistic. Perhaps we might also question, whether he knew the gun was loaded? It could easily be that he was playing round, reenacting something he'd seen or heard about on TV or in his video games, and thought the gun safe? Maybe even a prank to get his stepmother to wake up when the gun went click rather than bang - not funny of course, but possible for a boy of that age. E That argument is, and always has been, abso-fucking-lutely retarded. How many billions and billions of children play violent video games and watch violent TV, and read violent books, and listen to violent music? And how many of them DON'T commit crimes similar to what they watch/play/read/listen, versus how many that DO? For those few children that DO, the deficiency is with them or their parents.

slvemike4u -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/15/2010 3:41:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lazarus1983 quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol It's frightening how quick people are to call for lynchings - underneath our semi-civilized surface, the mob is simmering, waiting to find an avenue to boil over. Apparently some memebers of the mob will not be sated with the lynching of the supposed shooter.....one of our rabid group actually has nominated the father for his own turn swinging under the stout limb.....absolutely stupifying! I did? Please, using the handy dandy quote button, point out and show exactly where I "nominated" the father for a lynching? C'mon, you're a big boy, you can do it. Oh fuck Lazarus prior to my doing that please show where anyone actually suggested "lynching" the boy.....are you following my reasoning here "big boy"...it's a metaphor! Now did you or did you not suggest a certain degree of culpability rests in the fathers hands...all of this prior to any trial or judgement....hence we have what is known as "a rush to judgement"...otherwise known in the lands of metaphor as a ....you guessed it a LYNCHING. Hope that clears that up for you "big boy"

slvemike4u -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/15/2010 3:43:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen Having followed this story, the boy walked in on the sleeping woman and shot her almost point blank then went right on to school like nothing happened. The evidence behind it is the footprints in the snow. No adult prints were found and the size of the boy's foot was different than that of the little girl who discovered the mother. There is lots of information on the case that can be found if you look past the singular link posted here. The thing about these types of situations is that there's a high likelihood that, upon release, the boy will commit another crime of this magnitude or greater. Repeatedly throughout criminal history, especially in males, when they start this young, they don't stop. I'd rather not spend money on housing a large possibility of a violent, hopeless case. And that goes no matter how old the person is. boi Going on nothing more than the scenario you just recounted....does that sound like the accounting of a "sane" mind at work?A "sane" 12 year old mind at work? If there is some mental defect are you still proposing that we take it out back and "put it down"? Just trying to figure where the hell the bar is set. Yes, put him down. I have a real issue with psychopaths with the inclination to maim or kill beings allowed to live at all...much less on a government dime. Just sayin... boi Insanity...mental defect.....retardation, choose a word anu of these give you pause?

LadyEllen -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/15/2010 3:44:48 PM)
Well, as long as we're keeping it all civil like. This is the second time you've posted something retarded m'dear. You jumped to a conclusion that I was saying video games caused him to do it, when I made no such link. What I am saying is that such games encourage a view that guns are toys, ergo the second paragraph. And BJ, do you really think it inexplicable that he might hide the gun and try to escape, hoping thereby no doubt to evade liability? Every single kid I ever knew does this when they do something that they know theyll get into trouble for. It does not indicate psychopathology, rather it indicates normal childish behaviour. E

BoiJen -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/15/2010 3:48:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyEllen Well, as long as we're keeping it all civil like. This is the second time you've posted something retarded m'dear. You jumped to a conclusion that I was saying video games caused him to do it, when I made no such link. What I am saying is that such games encourage a view that guns are toys, ergo the second paragraph. And BJ, do you really think it inexplicable that he might hide the gun and try to escape, hoping thereby no doubt to evade liability? Every single kid I ever knew does this when they do something that they know theyll get into trouble for. It does not indicate psychopathology, rather it indicates normal childish behaviour. E You are so right! These thing indicate that the kid knew he had done something wrong.

barelynangel -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/15/2010 3:49:03 PM)
This article tells absolutely nothing of either case - prosecutorial or defense. So i doubt anyone reading it has the ability to make any determinations other than major speculation based on their own presumptions of what happened. 11 years old -- If the State isn't willing to give him the full possibility of what an adult would face in this situation (i.e., the death sentence) then they should treat him as a juvenile. If they feel he can be tried as an adult then they should have the stomach so to speak to give him the full and possible adult consequence any adult would face if they are convicted of such a crime. If the State can't do that or doesn't feel right doing so -- then he should be tried as a juvenile. I don't believe in the idea that hey we will lock him up for life and treat him as an adult in this capacity but not go all the way cause well hell he was just a kid. Either he is a kid in the eyes of the law or he is an adult. angel

BoiJen -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/15/2010 3:50:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Insanity...mental defect.....retardation, choose a word anu of these give you pause? Nope. How many of these things can be fixed BEFORE this kid hurts or kills someone else?

kiwisub12 -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/15/2010 3:52:32 PM)
The thing of it is, would you want a child living next to you that has so little impulse control that he would shoot and kill someone living in his house? At the very least he needs to be shut away from society until the age of reason, which I seem to remember is about 25 or so - the age when the brain finally matures. Then he needs to be evaluated by at least 2 shrinks to see if he is a threat to society. Assuming he is guilty. Because if he isn't, there is a really good chance that the murderer is his father.

slvemike4u -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/15/2010 3:52:49 PM)
Cute how you can refer to him as a "kid" and yet make no allowance for that fact in your cold hearted assessment as to how to deal with him....Freud might say that was.....verrry interesting.

kiwisub12 -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/15/2010 3:54:08 PM)
I can refer to him as a kid. And I can also grieve for his family. And I can also say catagorically that I wouldn't want him living next to me.

BoiJen -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/15/2010 3:54:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kiwisub12 The thing of it is, would you want a child living next to you that has so little impulse control that he would shoot and kill someone living in his house? At the very least he needs to be shut away from society until the age of reason, which I seem to remember is about 25 or so - the age when the brain finally matures. Then he needs to be evaluated by at least 2 shrinks to see if he is a threat to society. Assuming he is guilty. Because if he isn't, there is a really good chance that the murderer is his father. His father is accounted for at work by his job.

slvemike4u -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/15/2010 3:54:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Insanity...mental defect.....retardation, choose a word anu of these give you pause? Nope. How many of these things can be fixed BEFORE this kid hurts or kills someone else? Oh bullshit Boi,society has many methods of protecting itself from this "kid" the last of which should be the old just "put him down" method you seem to favor.

slvemike4u -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/15/2010 3:55:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kiwisub12 I can refer to him as a kid. And I can also grieve for his family. And I can also say catagorically that I wouldn't want him living next to me. And given the current circumstances the probability of that coming to pass would be about what?

barelynangel -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/15/2010 3:56:51 PM)
Mike what the hell are you talking about? Did you even BOTHER reading what i said. Yeah Mike sometimes in law i am a cold bitch because unlike YOU, i have seen what murder does to people who are victims of same. HOWEVER, if you read what i said i pretty much said the State should treat him as a juvenile. angel

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