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Friday, March 12, 2010
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ISTANBUL - Hürriyet Daily News
With more Turkish parents wanting their child to be born in the US, tourism companies are starting to offer ‘birth tourism’ packages to US cities. Many women say giving birth in the US has benefits including cheaper education and fewer visa worries. Some Americans, however, want to restrict the practice, citing fears of illegal migration




If Bruce Springsteen’s 1982 hit “Born in the USA” were to become popular again, the title might now refer to thousands of Turkish children whose parents are increasingly traveling to the United States to give birth.

According to tourism expert Gürkan Boztepe and media sources, 12,000 Turkish children have been born in the U.S. since 2003.The numbers are significant enough to draw the attention of tourism companies and inspire them to pursue “birth tourism.”

“We found a company on the Internet and decided to go to Austin for our child’s birth,” said Selin Burcuoğlu who gave birth to a daughter last year. “It was incredibly professional. They organized everything for me. I had no problem adjusting and I had an excellent birth,” she told the Hürriyet Daily News & Economic Review.

Burcuoğlu said she and her partner chose to have the birth in the U.S. to make their child’s life more comfortable. “I don’t want her to deal with visa issues – American citizenship has so many advantages.”

Birth tourism

Burcuoğlu is not the only Turkish parent who wants her child to have U.S. citizenship. Many Turkish parents-to-be are now seeking tourism companies to “guarantee” their child’s life.

“We have been involved in medical tourism since 2002,” said Levent Baş, general manager of Gurib Tourism. “But we were also receiving so many demands about this issue that we decided to sell birth packages,” he told the Daily News.

“We first started our research in New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago and Orlando and we only contacted Turkish doctors,” Baş said. “But we are preparing a package that covers everything from the flight and city tours to accommodation for several months and hospital expenses.”

In terms of cost, Baş said the minimum expense is $25,000, which rises to $40,000 if the destination is New York.

Birth tourism organizations are located throughout Turkey, including one run by Gürkan Boztepe in the Aegean province of İzmir. “Before, only celebrities gave birth in the U.S. We are now aiming, however, to make this service accessible to everyone. And surprisingly, our customers are not just from İzmir and Istanbul, there are also many people from smaller provinces, such as [southeastern] Gaziantep.”

Many families, however, do not want to talk openly about the process, according to the birth tourism operators. “Many people say they are doing it because they want their kids to get a cheaper education and not deal with visa issues when they grow up,” said Baş.

“But they don’t want to make it public. Even celebrities who have done this are trying to ignore the issue by saying they had to give birth in the U.S. because their doctors were there,” he said.

Arzu Geiger is an entrepreneur who lives in Gilbert, Arizona, and offers customers the option to stay in her home.

“We got the idea when a friend of ours wished to give birth in the U.S.,” she told the Daily News. “We realized that many women abroad may also wish to give birth in the U.S., but may have many concerns regarding arrangements or safety. Some women may choose to stay alone with us for the first few months, then move to separate living arrangements when family members arrive for the birth.”

While the small-scale companies have started investing in the birth market, bigger firms are also entering the market with alternative packages. The Turkish-owned Marmara Hotel group recently announced a birth tourism package that includes accommodation at their Manhattan branch.

“We hosted 15 families last year,” said Nur Ercan Mağden, head manager of The Marmara Manhattan, adding that the cost was $45,000 each.

Law Amendment

According to the U.S.’s 14th Amendment, the country grants citizenship to anyone born on its soil. At the same time, however, many have demanded the elimination of the “ius soli” law.

"They come to this country and have babies. The children are citizens. The children are eligible to go to school. They receive food stamps and social programs. The American taxpayers are paying for it," said Republican Congressman Gary Miller last month, who is co-sponsoring a bill that seeks to abolish birthright citizenship for children born in the country to illegal immigrant parents.

According to Emre Özgü, a partner at law firm Barst Mukamal & Kleiner LLP in New York, people in favor of tightening immigration laws have been attempting to end “ius soli” citizenship for years.

“Those trying to restrict immigration argue these babies, who are occasionally called ‘anchor babies,’ serve as a key link in the ‘chain immigration’ process that they would like to see eliminated. However, there is no current pending legislation before Congress that would limit the claim to U.S. citizenship of a child born in the U.S.,” Özgü told the Daily News.

When asked whether birthright citizenship could be considered a loophole in the law, Özgü said he would not classify the “ius soli” citizenship as such because it is explicitly included within the U.S. Constitution.

“While it can be controversial, birth tourism is legal in the U.S.,” said Geiger. “Some of the major concerns expressed with birth tourism are that the mother and baby can access free health and social benefits at the expense of U.S. taxpayers. We do not accept customers in this manner – they are responsible for the payment of their own medical expenses.”

Baş, however, thinks U.S. authorities are ultimately unconcerned by the practice. “I think the United States is aware of such a law, otherwise they would prevent it. I think it is part of an integration policy. They want people to become American citizens.”

Other examples

Birth tourism to the U.S. is not just popular in Turkey but also in Asian countries such as South Korea, Hong Kong and Taiwan. According to a Los Angeles Times report, many South Korean parents-to-be have chosen to give birth in the U.S. for many reasons, ranging from a desire to enroll their children in American schools to enabling them to avoid South Korean military service.

The birthright citizenship formerly applied to other countries such as the United Kingdom and Australia but both countries modified their law in the mid-1980s.

India maintained such birthright law until 2004, but ended the right to prevent continued illegal immigration from neighbors Pakistan and Bangladesh.










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RE: Having U.S. "anchor babies" is a business! - 3/17/2010 5:32:30 PM   
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Is there a point to all this, especially the stuff at the end of your post  ?

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RE: Having U.S. "anchor babies" is a business! - 3/17/2010 5:36:08 PM   
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I think this is what happens when you copy an entire page of internet. Ctrl A.

Birth tourism is a growing problem apparently, although isn't there a time restriction on flying when pregnant?


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RE: Having U.S. "anchor babies" is a business! - 3/17/2010 5:45:41 PM   
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When did we forget we are a nation of fucking immigrants.....and become so damm afraid of them.Popeye how many of those who gained their citizenship in this timely manner will grow up to do great things.....how many will grow up to be just run of the mill solid citizens...all of that against your irrational fear that they will somehow cost you as a citizen something in the future.
Get over your irrationality Popeye...at your age a little less worrying about the future and a little more enjoying of life will keep you young.

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RE: Having U.S. "anchor babies" is a business! - 3/17/2010 5:50:43 PM   
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Hey Popeye, go back and trim the comments, would ya?

Generally benefits can only apply to the child, not the parent.  They can not sponsor relatives until age 21.

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RE: Having U.S. "anchor babies" is a business! - 3/17/2010 5:59:10 PM   
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Thorn, I just trimmed the comments, I don't know how that happened I'm not good at "copy and paste" .

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RE: Having U.S. "anchor babies" is a business! - 3/17/2010 6:02:08 PM   
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When did we forget we are a nation of fucking immigrants.....and become so damm afraid of them.Popeye how many of those who gained their citizenship in this timely manner will grow up to do great things.....how many will grow up to be just run of the mill solid citizens...all of that against your irrational fear that they will somehow cost you as a citizen something in the future.
Get over your irrationality Popeye...at your age a little less worrying about the future and a little more enjoying of life will keep you young.



Mike, if this is such a "good" thing why did Great Britain do away with it in 1984 and Ireland in 2006?
I don't think any European countries have "birthright" citizenship anymore, do they?

(Sounds like Mike is well into his cups, oh, it IS St. Patrick's Day!)

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RE: Having U.S. "anchor babies" is a business! - 3/17/2010 6:12:12 PM   
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It's written on the statue of liberty, you'll need a new inscription if you did away with in.

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RE: Having U.S. "anchor babies" is a business! - 3/17/2010 6:17:04 PM   
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It's written on the statue of liberty, you'll need a new inscription if you did away with in.



SL4, big differance, now we have foreign companies and foreign nationals deciding to usurp our laws through "loopholes".
And yes, it's the Statue of Liberty not the Statue of Immigration.

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RE: Having U.S. "anchor babies" is a business! - 3/17/2010 6:22:33 PM   
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It's written on the statue of liberty, you'll need a new inscription if you did away with in.



SL4, big differance, now we have foreign companies and foreign nationals deciding to usurp our laws through "loopholes".
And yes, it's the Statue of Liberty not the Statue of Immigration.
"usurp our laws"...I don't think so...perhaps you meant to say to take advantage of our laws.
Again I will ask you what exactly is your fear....name any great American and I will show you an immagrant, either him/her themselves are one of their parents,grandparents etc etc.
Why would you desire to close the gates now....new blood is just that new blood....keeps the country fresh and the innovations coming.
Yep I'm in my cups...but please just address the post and not my drinking

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RE: Having U.S. "anchor babies" is a business! - 3/17/2010 6:23:31 PM   
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Personally I blame the Jews.

What was the subject again?

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RE: Having U.S. "anchor babies" is a business! - 3/17/2010 6:26:39 PM   
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Personally I think anchor babies should be outlawed due to the high number of infant drownings it causes.

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RE: Having U.S. "anchor babies" is a business! - 3/17/2010 6:27:20 PM   
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I thought that you could not fly in your third trimester without a doctor's note.

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RE: Having U.S. "anchor babies" is a business! - 3/17/2010 6:29:36 PM   
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Mike, so it's "ok" to take advantage of another person or country?


Mike; "fuckinnn surr iss popeye, now I'm goonna tak vantag of tis botl of Jamishons afta I take a pish!"

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RE: Having U.S. "anchor babies" is a business! - 3/17/2010 6:30:27 PM   
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I think the borders should be closed...retroactively prior to the arrival of Popeye's family members......making Popeye an illegal...and than deport his old ass!!!!!!!

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RE: Having U.S. "anchor babies" is a business! - 3/17/2010 6:36:32 PM   
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I'm willing to bet that Popeyes ancestors came to this country legally.

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RE: Having U.S. "anchor babies" is a business! - 3/17/2010 6:37:22 PM   
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Personally I think anchor babies should be outlawed due to the high number of infant drownings it causes.


is that what this is about? There I was thinking someone was mashing babies up to make butter and smuggling it into the US

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RE: Having U.S. "anchor babies" is a business! - 3/17/2010 6:38:34 PM   
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I'm willing to bet that Popeyes ancestors came to this country legally.


I'm sure transportation for petty crime was directed to Australia by that time, but it would be legal alright

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RE: Having U.S. "anchor babies" is a business! - 3/17/2010 6:43:59 PM   
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I'm willing to bet that haystack over there has a needle in it.

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RE: Having U.S. "anchor babies" is a business! - 3/17/2010 6:46:37 PM   
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It seems to me this is very common even for the Irish who have made some modifications to the law. It's unlikely it means the demise of the United States so it doesn't particularly concerned me.
 

On the other hand, in places like the United States, jus soli is credited with the nation's ability to integrate various nationalities and with much less social strife and difficulties than other countries[citation needed]. Although jus soli was formally stated in the Fourteenth Amendment, judicial authorities recognize that the philosophy was integral at the conception of the country's constitution.

Specific national legislation
Jus soli is common in developed countries that wish to increase their own citizenry, as well as in countries of the Western Hemisphere who sought to increase their populations through settlement. It is also recognized in some developing countries.
States that observe jus soli include:

Antigua and Barbuda[3]
Argentina[3]
Barbados[3]
Belize[3]
Bolivia[3]
Brazil[3]
Canada[3]
Chile[4] (children of transient foreigners or of foreign diplomats on assignment in Chile only upon request)
Colombia[3]
Dominica[3]
Dominican Republic[3]
Ecuador[3]
El Salvador[3]
Fiji[5]
Grenada[3]
Guatemala[3]
Guyana[3]
Honduras[3]
Jamaica[3]
Lesotho[6]
Malaysia[3]
Mexico[3]
Nicaragua[3]
Pakistan[3]
Panama[3]
Paraguay[3]
Peru[3]
Saint Christopher and Nevis[3]
Saint Lucia[3]
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines[3]
Trinidad and Tobago[3]
United States[3]
Uruguay[3]
Venezuela[3]
[edit] Modification of jus soli
In a number of countries, the automatic application of jus soli has been modified to impose some additional requirements for children of foreign parents, such as the parent being a permanent resident or having lived in the country for a period of time. Jus soli has been modified in the following countries:

United Kingdom on 1 January 1983
Australia on 20 August 1986[2]
Republic of Ireland on 1 January 2005[2]
New Zealand on 1 January 2006[2]
South Africa on 6 October 1995[2]
France also operates a modified form of jus soli
German nationality law was changed on 1 January 2000 to introduce a modified concept of jus soli. Prior to that date, German nationality law was based entirely on jus sanguinis.[2]
Modification of jus soli has been criticized as contributing to economic inequality, the perpetuation of unfree labour from a helot underclass,[2] and statelessness.
On the other hand, in places like the United States, jus soli is credited with the nation's ability to integrate various nationalities and with much less social strife and difficulties than other countries[citation needed]. Although jus soli was formally stated in the Fourteenth Amendment, judicial authorities recognize that the philosophy was integral at the conception of the country's constitution.
Children born to foreign diplomats are usually not granted nationality of the country they were born in, even in countries that practice jus soli.
[edit] Abolition of jus soli
Some countries which formerly operated jus soli have moved to abolish it entirely, only conferring citizenship on children born in the country if one of the parents is a citizen of that country. India did this on 3 December 2004, in reaction to illegal immigration from its Muslim neighbors Pakistan and Bangladesh, though jus soli was progressively weakened since 1987.[7] Malta also changed the principle of citizen to jus sanguinis on 1 August 1989, in a move that also relaxed restrictions against multiple citizenship.[8]
[edit] United States
Main article: Birthright citizenship in the United States of America
The 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution reads, in pertinent part, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." This makes citizens of all persons born in the United States, provided they are subject to U.S. jurisdiction at the time of their birth - that is, they are not the children of foreign diplomats and like persons who, having diplomatic immunity, are not subject to U.S. jurisdiction while they are in the country for diplomatic purposes.
At the time the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified (1868), it excluded Aboriginal Americans because they were not considered subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and, thus, were not American citizens. Congress declared it policy to extend citizenship to all Aboriginal peoples in 1924, which was realized in 1968 with the Indian Civil Rights Act.[9]
This interpretation of "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States was formally established in 1898 by a 6-2 decision the Supreme Court in United States v. Wong Kim Ark 169 U.S. 649 (1898). In that case, the Court found the petitioner had been born in the United States and therefore became a U.S. citizen. This could not be revoked because his parents were not American citizens at the time of his birth, or because they made several trips to China after it.[10]
However, the Supreme Court has never explicitly ruled on whether children born in the United States to illegal immigrant parents are entitled to birthright citizenship via the 14th Amendment,[11] although it is generally assumed that they are.[12] Heightened concern over illegal immigration to the United States has prompted some moves to abolish jus soli,[2][13] but these have so far failed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli


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When did we forget we are a nation of fucking immigrants.....and become so damm afraid of them.Popeye how many of those who gained their citizenship in this timely manner will grow up to do great things.....how many will grow up to be just run of the mill solid citizens...all of that against your irrational fear that they will somehow cost you as a citizen something in the future.
Get over your irrationality Popeye...at your age a little less worrying about the future and a little more enjoying of life will keep you young.



Mike, if this is such a "good" thing why did Great Britain do away with it in 1984 and Ireland in 2006?
I don't think any European countries have "birthright" citizenship anymore, do they?

(Sounds like Mike is well into his cups, oh, it IS St. Patrick's Day!)

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