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RE: rule of law - 3/18/2010 4:22:57 AM   
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I've been stopped by police twice (CHP, San Jose city) and neither were arrests.


you know you people really need to understand something here.

when I say things like that I am quoting the definitions of law dictionaries and often times case citations not your pocket webster.



Thank you Oliver Wendell Holmes.

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RE: rule of law - 3/18/2010 8:32:08 AM   
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I don't think you need have any worry on that score Real....anyone seeing your shit as legal advice is probably already locked up...in a fucking mental wing!


pretty please with beer on top be a fucking cop and try to arrest me for a traffic or some bullshit civil violation. 

You have no idea how I love demonstrating these maxims of law.  Only with you I would give you the special deal and take every thing you own or ever will own as well rather than just pissing off the department.






Just what court will you take me to to sue me.....as you have constantly stated all I need do is deny the court has juristiction or some such nonsense...and you can suck tit....
Amazing guy here....to prove his point about his own unwillingness to submit to the court...he tells you how he will take  you to court...anyone else find this hilarious?

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RE: rule of law - 3/18/2010 10:34:37 AM   
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I'd say more incomprehensible rather than hilarious Mike. Real's ideas - some of which may have merit, but we never can get to the point of proof - seem to revolve around the notion that the entire legal system, civil, criminal and public has no authority and therefore lacks competence as well as any jurisdictional power. But these notions are surely compromised by other ideas he proposes that the Queen of England has such authority, competence and power (and may therefore surely have delegated it to the USA) and/or that the compact between citizens, even sovereigns, which is the USA may have delegated unto it by those citizens, or sovereigns, such authority, competence and power by way of that compact.

This latter is where I believe, though it is entirely unclear, Real derives his ideas that the legal system has no power, in that he as a citizen and especially as a sovereign, chooses not to agree to the compact from which that power derives. In theory this is all well and good, but it is clear that the compact is entire or it must lapse and therefore either Real must renounce his membership of the USA in order to treat outside that power or the USA itself must dissolve pending a new arrangement. The former is more obviously the likely outcome, but this should bring serious problems to Real in that he would thereby no longer enjoy those benefits of the compact which he does not find objectionable.

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RE: rule of law - 3/18/2010 1:13:28 PM   
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I'd say more incomprehensible rather than hilarious Mike. Real's ideas - some of which may have merit, but we never can get to the point of proof - seem to revolve around the notion that the entire legal system, civil, criminal and public has no authority and therefore lacks competence as well as any jurisdictional power. But these notions are surely compromised by other ideas he proposes that the Queen of England has such authority, competence and power (and may therefore surely have delegated it to the USA) and/or that the compact between citizens, even sovereigns, which is the USA may have delegated unto it by those citizens, or sovereigns, such authority, competence and power by way of that compact.

This latter is where I believe, though it is entirely unclear, Real derives his ideas that the legal system has no power, in that he as a citizen and especially as a sovereign, chooses not to agree to the compact from which that power derives. In theory this is all well and good, but it is clear that the compact is entire or it must lapse and therefore either Real must renounce his membership of the USA in order to treat outside that power or the USA itself must dissolve pending a new arrangement. The former is more obviously the likely outcome, but this should bring serious problems to Real in that he would thereby no longer enjoy those benefits of the compact which he does not find objectionable.

E


Cliff Notes:

RO can love it more than he hates it or leave it, but he cant stay and not be under its jurisdiction, no matter what his delusions may make him believe.

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RE: rule of law - 3/18/2010 1:18:00 PM   
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Well Ellan thanks for clearing all of that up.......but tell me this,since you seem to have a window into the fuzzy critters mind...if these same courts hold no juristiction over him.....how will he sue me in these courts....and expect me to submit to the courts judgement.
Isn't he looking to have his cake and eat mine too!

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RE: rule of law - 3/18/2010 1:18:23 PM   
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I am still not understanding what the OPs point was. 

And since when was a traffic stop the same as being arrested? 

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RE: rule of law - 3/18/2010 1:26:24 PM   
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I'd say more incomprehensible rather than hilarious Mike. Real's ideas - some of which may have merit, but we never can get to the point of proof - seem to revolve around the notion that the entire legal system, civil, criminal and public has no authority and therefore lacks competence as well as any jurisdictional power. But these notions are surely compromised by other ideas he proposes that the Queen of England has such authority, competence and power (and may therefore surely have delegated it to the USA) and/or that the compact between citizens, even sovereigns, which is the USA may have delegated unto it by those citizens, or sovereigns, such authority, competence and power by way of that compact.

This latter is where I believe, though it is entirely unclear, Real derives his ideas that the legal system has no power, in that he as a citizen and especially as a sovereign, chooses not to agree to the compact from which that power derives. In theory this is all well and good, but it is clear that the compact is entire or it must lapse and therefore either Real must renounce his membership of the USA in order to treat outside that power or the USA itself must dissolve pending a new arrangement. The former is more obviously the likely outcome, but this should bring serious problems to Real in that he would thereby no longer enjoy those benefits of the compact which he does not find objectionable.

E


It was incomprehensible to that officer when he stuck out his chest and wrote me a ticket just like mike would do  :)

I would wager that its perfectly clear to him today. and that was over a lousy fucking traffic ticket!

as far as the latter goes you are getting closer but I am not title 50 jurisdiction either ;)

Have to give you credit LE you got mo brains than the rest here combined on these matters but I really do love watching the peanut gallery sneer as a result of their own ignorance and I complement you at least questioning the matter even though to someone uninitiated its seems completely bizarre.


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RE: rule of law - 3/18/2010 1:29:53 PM   
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I wanna have sex with a bad boy!

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RE: rule of law - 3/18/2010 1:31:29 PM   
Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Well Ellan thanks for clearing all of that up.......but tell me this,since you seem to have a window into the fuzzy critters mind...if these same courts hold no juristiction over him.....how will he sue me in these courts....and expect me to submit to the courts judgement.
Isn't he looking to have his cake and eat mine too!


Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.




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Democracy; The 'People' voted on 'which' amendment?

Yesterdays tinfoil is today's reality!

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RE: rule of law - 3/18/2010 1:49:05 PM   
Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

I'd say more incomprehensible rather than hilarious Mike. Real's ideas - some of which may have merit, but we never can get to the point of proof - seem to revolve around the notion that the entire legal system, civil, criminal and public has no authority and therefore lacks competence as well as any jurisdictional power. But these notions are surely compromised by other ideas he proposes that the Queen of England has such authority, competence and power (and may therefore surely have delegated it to the USA) and/or that the compact between citizens, even sovereigns, which is the USA may have delegated unto it by those citizens, or sovereigns, such authority, competence and power by way of that compact.

This latter is where I believe, though it is entirely unclear, Real derives his ideas that the legal system has no power, in that he as a citizen and especially as a sovereign, chooses not to agree to the compact from which that power derives. In theory this is all well and good, but it is clear that the compact is entire or it must lapse and therefore either Real must renounce his membership of the USA in order to treat outside that power or the USA itself must dissolve pending a new arrangement. The former is more obviously the likely outcome, but this should bring serious problems to Real in that he would thereby no longer enjoy those benefits of the compact which he does not find objectionable.

E


Cliff Notes:

RO can love it more than he hates it or leave it, but he cant stay and not be under its jurisdiction, no matter what his delusions may make him believe.


sure I can!




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RE: rule of law - 3/18/2010 1:51:53 PM   
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goobleygook...its that simple!

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RE: rule of law - 3/18/2010 1:56:17 PM   
Real0ne


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goobleygook...its that simple!


I made you an offer.  Let me know when you want to play LEO and let me know where you will be sitting and I will wing by at 90 and no plates on the car.

Just for you then we can dance.  Its the only way some people can grasp certain concepts, by first hand experience.  ie: 2x4 across the hayd!





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Democracy; The 'People' voted on 'which' amendment?

Yesterdays tinfoil is today's reality!

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RE: rule of law - 3/18/2010 2:06:18 PM   
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RO trots out "legal arguments" (actually urban myths) that the nuttier elements of the internet exchange amongst themselves

all are BS
none actually work in court (check out the Wesley Snipes tax trial and his co-accused's attempts to use one of the much-touted tactics to evade prosecution)

when pressed on points, he spouts large amounts of guff and makes out that the "hidden secret" is in the waffle, but its down to
you to work it out.... its sub Dan Brown crap, but without the hardcover $$$

I doubt he has even BEEN to court, much less won a case against the police (or anyone) - he just needs a job and a life, friends - stuff like that

he dreams of the "big score" lawsuit to escape his mom's basement, but its just not showing - stick to the Lotto, nutjob

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RE: rule of law - 3/18/2010 2:12:52 PM   
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goobleygook...its that simple!


I made you an offer.  Let me know when you want to play LEO and let me know where you will be sitting and I will wing by at 90 and no plates on the car.

Just for you then we can dance.  Its the only way some people can grasp certain concepts, by first hand experience.  ie: 2x4 across the hayd!




High noon tomorrow...Hwy 70 at the intersection of rt.42....in North Carolina...I'll be wearing my shades and sitting in a fast car(with a toy badge and all).Now lets see if you show up!

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Forget Guns-----Ban the pools

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RE: rule of law - 3/18/2010 2:40:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

goobleygook...its that simple!


I made you an offer.  Let me know when you want to play LEO and let me know where you will be sitting and I will wing by at 90 and no plates on the car.

Just for you then we can dance.  Its the only way some people can grasp certain concepts, by first hand experience.  ie: 2x4 across the hayd!




High noon tomorrow...Hwy 70 at the intersection of rt.42....in North Carolina...I'll be wearing my shades and sitting in a fast car(with a toy badge and all).Now lets see if you show up!




actually that could be fun too!  Bring a real cop with me to witness your fraud.





< Message edited by Real0ne -- 3/18/2010 2:43:20 PM >


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RE: rule of law - 3/18/2010 2:43:17 PM   
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I'll be waiting fuzzy guy!

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