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Sanity -> RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform (3/18/2010 7:19:25 AM)


Only the Conservatives, of course.  [sm=pigsfly.gif]

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

But Sanity, are you seriously suggesting that government enacts laws and executes policy to derive partisan favours from big business?

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tazzygirl -> RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform (3/18/2010 7:24:09 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


I wonder what kind of kickbacks Obama and his cronies are getting from big insurance to be their enforcer.

"Ya bettah wise up an poichase a insurance policy from my friends ovah there, cuz we wouldn't want any ting bad or nasty  to happen to yaz, would we.... [sm=discipline.gif]"


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

And your comment means what, exactly.

And since, as usual, Jimbob cant seem to respond when caught.. lol... ill go into more detail for the educationally challenged.

A mandate is a requirement. What Sanity, and most of the republican party is stressing is that health care is now mandated. Got that part. What they arent getting is that not everyone is required to purchase that insurance. If you have insurance, this wont affect you at all.

As far as being forced to purchase something... does everyone forget those little ID cards you need to do just about everything from travel, to work, to bank accounts, ect.. cost money too?



I have no doubt its less than the insurance companies spent on fighting health care reform.

Now, as far as forcing people to pay... you didnt address what i said about ID cards. Curious. Its the same thing... apples to apples.

If you dont have insurance, you must purchase.

An ID card is needed for just about everything... banks, travel, insurance.. even federal programs.. work.. hell... i need one just to get into the local casino or the bars.

If you dont purchase insurance, you get fined (taxed). They could say you dont get any kind of care... but that isnt what is wanted, or needed. No one will deny you emergency care.

If you dont have an ID, you cant get some of the services you want, or need, including health care. And that is your fine.



domiguy -> RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform (3/18/2010 7:25:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Forcing people to buy something is unconstitutional anyway.





When is Idaho going to get rid of social security?



mnottertail -> RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform (3/18/2010 7:26:37 AM)

or speed limits?



Sanity -> RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform (3/18/2010 7:28:41 AM)


You're really going to start bitching about the AP's reporting now?  [sm=fingers.gif]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100318/ap_on_go_co/us_health_overhaul_states_19

If you have to have HuffPo or nothing then maybe you should just put me and my threads on ignore...

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
OK, you pull yours out first. First of all, this is yellow journalism in your OP, not at all about health care reform, so far as I am concerned it is a tinfoil topic open to any interpretation or post design whatsoever. They did not vote against healthcare reform, it is as nefarious and slandering as you are.

They voted against a coercion clause to buy health insurance mandated from the fed.





domiguy -> RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform (3/18/2010 7:31:57 AM)

When is Youdaho getting rid of the 6% sales tax and the state income tax?....Youdaho-"If your income range is $24,737 and over, your tax rate on every dollar of income earned is 7.8%."





domiguy -> RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform (3/18/2010 7:36:22 AM)

Wow, people in Idaho really have been neutured...."If your income range is $24,737 and over, your tax rate on every dollar of income earned is 7.8%."


7.8%!!!! What a bunch of bitches. You poor saps in Idaho love to bend over.



Jeffff -> RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform (3/18/2010 7:38:25 AM)

If Idaho did not have some of the finest trout fishing in the world, I would say dump em, with the south!


Jeff



mnottertail -> RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform (3/18/2010 7:41:05 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


You're really going to start bitching about the AP's reporting now?  [sm=fingers.gif]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100318/ap_on_go_co/us_health_overhaul_states_19

If you have to have HuffPo or nothing then maybe you should just put me and my threads on ignore...

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
OK, you pull yours out first. First of all, this is yellow journalism in your OP, not at all about health care reform, so far as I am concerned it is a tinfoil topic open to any interpretation or post design whatsoever. They did not vote against healthcare reform, it is as nefarious and slandering as you are.

They voted against a coercion clause to buy health insurance mandated from the fed.






I have bitched about all media yellow journalism,for a long time. Ain't no now to it, and don't put your lying words in my mouth, I have never said anything about huffpo. If you aint got a leg to stand on, dont try and put your foot in my mouth and blame it on me.

You dont have facts just joe the plumber imaginary bullshit to spew which you do while lying thru your teeth, acting as if the republicans are some sort of savior of this country when in fact they have drove us to this brink of disaster, and continue to do so.




domiguy -> RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform (3/18/2010 7:41:15 AM)

maybe if you just hit it with a hose and knocked the riff raff off of the land.



rulemylife -> RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform (3/18/2010 7:43:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100318/ap_on_go_co/us_health_overhaul_states_19



Do you ever read the links you post?


Still, David Freeman Engstrom, a constitutional law expert at Stanford University Law School, said all these measures face significant legal hurdles. Freeman said there is the question of whether a state has standing to bring the lawsuit, or if that role is better served by an individual who could show they were harmed by the mandate to buy health insurance.

Idaho's law faces an even bigger challenge, he said, by setting up a direct conflict with the supremacy clause in the U.S. Constitution.

"That language is clear that federal law is supreme over state law," said Freeman. "So it really doesn't matter what a state legislature says on this."



mnottertail -> RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform (3/18/2010 7:45:43 AM)

note that legal opinion rulemylife posted, which is going to be exactly what will happen to wallgreens, shortly after april 16, Tom.



domiguy -> RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform (3/18/2010 7:49:37 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity



And then its not the Feds mandating I have insurance if I choose to drive.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

Actually he is right. You don't have to get insurance, unless you plan on driving a car. And nobody has to drive a car.



This is why no one should get in a conversation with you. You do not possess the ability for rational thought.

Your choice is whether to drive or not...If you drive you are forced to buy the insurance....Dope.



BoiJen -> RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform (3/18/2010 7:52:30 AM)

NVM



Sanity -> RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform (3/18/2010 8:01:48 AM)


37 states are working on the same type of legislation, which thats a lot of muscle. Just because the Democrats feel obligated to go marching off the cliffs for Obama doesn't mean the states have to. What we have here is one more sign pointing to how this legislation is wildly unpopular, and that it's never going to stand up.



mnottertail -> RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform (3/18/2010 8:09:22 AM)

the current legislation is wildly unpopular, not healthcare reform.

Now, having said that if there is a majority of states that do an end run to see that there is no federal mandate to coerce (no-fault) style health insurance, I am for it. Regardless of what you may have thought.

Having said that, and in that way Tom, you would have damn near universal agreement.

But to link anything other than the current pending bill to this states legislative efforts to defeat the mandatory buy, (because what we wanted was reform in this matter), you would get damn near universal agreement. Or, at the very least a grudging acknowledgement of a reasonable viewpoint.

Ron




Jeffff -> RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform (3/18/2010 8:13:53 AM)

Will these be the same states that "refused"  federal bail out money?

How strong these folks are in the face of federal oppression. If I were them I would refuse any and all federal money.

That would teach us!

Jeff



pahunkboy -> RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform (3/18/2010 8:15:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


37 states are working on the same type of legislation, which thats a lot of muscle. Just because the Democrats feel obligated to go marching off the cliffs for Obama doesn't mean the states have to. What we have here is one more sign pointing to how this legislation is wildly unpopular, and that it's never going to stand up.



I hear you.   I hope PA does too.
However PA is doing the reverse.

It floors me that educated buffoons here on this list- defend a contract- that they have not read.   2300 pages of gotchas.   With any bill there is a quid for quo.  What do you pay and what do you get in return.

Yet- no one here is the least but interested in what federal reserve notes they will be forced to pay.

The Amish will not be subject to this law.

Daddy always told me to READ what I sign.

Daddy was a very smart man.



Sanity -> RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform (3/18/2010 8:18:55 AM)


Good point PA.

Pelosi says we have to pass the legislation so that we can find out whats in it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvSkeJbQy74




tazzygirl -> RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform (3/18/2010 8:21:43 AM)

Neither will Native Americans... and i also believe Eskimos are exempt as well. Your point?



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